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Post by jayrod2009 on Jan 13, 2019 21:05:00 GMT -5
They did it with The Rock, Goldberg, and Lesnar. That an incredibly dumb comparison (almost as bad as comparing him to Hogan). ALL 3 of those names were huge names in WWE prior. While 90% of American have no clue who Kenny Omega is. I’m just saying that there have been those who have shown up for a title run and left. I think Omega would get over just like AJ Styles. Let him debut in a smark city like Chicago or New York, when fans hear that first big pop, they will instantly become fans.
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Post by marino13 on Jan 13, 2019 21:20:20 GMT -5
That an incredibly dumb comparison (almost as bad as comparing him to Hogan). ALL 3 of those names were huge names in WWE prior. While 90% of American have no clue who Kenny Omega is. I’m just saying that there have been those who have shown up for a title run and left. I think Omega would get over just like AJ Styles. Let him debut in a smark city like Chicago or New York, when fans hear that first big pop, they will instantly become fans. I'm not doubting whether or not Omega could get over. I'm sure he could. I'm saying how does WWE benefit from bringing him in, getting him over with Americans who don't know who he is, letting him pin AJ/Bryan/Seth, and then leaving after 3 months because AEW came a calling?
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Post by jayrod2009 on Jan 13, 2019 22:06:55 GMT -5
I’m just saying that there have been those who have shown up for a title run and left. I think Omega would get over just like AJ Styles. Let him debut in a smark city like Chicago or New York, when fans hear that first big pop, they will instantly become fans. I'm not doubting whether or not Omega could get over. I'm sure he could. I'm saying how does WWE benefit from bringing him in, getting him over with Americans who don't know who he is, letting him pin AJ/Bryan/Seth, and then leaving after 3 months because AEW came a calling? Was WWE not working on an NXT:Japan. Here is your top star from the jump.
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Post by champofakind on Jan 13, 2019 22:09:58 GMT -5
Jericho said he got the most money ever offered to him by AEW. So I'd imagine they would do the same for Kenny.
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Post by FUSamBaker on Jan 14, 2019 13:22:13 GMT -5
Tbh...no one is worth multi millions. These athletes, rappers, artists...all overpaid! There is no reason one person should have millions of millions of dollars while there are homeless women, children and veterans on the streets. People outta be ashamed of themselves.
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Post by master of the WORLD! on Jan 14, 2019 13:45:11 GMT -5
Tbh...no one is worth multi millions. These athletes, rappers, artists...all overpaid! There is no reason one person should have millions of millions of dollars while there are homeless women, children and veterans on the streets. People outta be ashamed of themselves. im going to respectfully disagree slightly. an athlete earns millions because they help make the company they work for millions. if someone has millions thats because they had value doing what they do and they earned it.
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Post by CM Poor on Jan 14, 2019 13:59:22 GMT -5
Tbh...no one is worth multi millions. These athletes, rappers, artists...all overpaid! There is no reason one person should have millions of millions of dollars while there are homeless women, children and veterans on the streets. People outta be ashamed of themselves. At the core of their baseline value as human beings, no different than you or me? Of course not. It's nice to idealize a world where no one person can demand a value upon him or herself greater than anyone else, but to do so is just that - idealization. In a world where cash is king - a world that is not poised to go away anytime soon, no matter how dramatically the collective mindset appears to shift - yes, the elevated value of what one person can bring to an entity is absolutely worth whatever that particular entity is willing to pay for them. Omega is practically the biggest name in professional wrestling not presently affiliated with the WWE. His value grows exponentially due to that lack of affiliation. It ain't pretty, but it is what it is.
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Post by FUSamBaker on Jan 14, 2019 21:46:26 GMT -5
Tbh...no one is worth multi millions. These athletes, rappers, artists...all overpaid! There is no reason one person should have millions of millions of dollars while there are homeless women, children and veterans on the streets. People outta be ashamed of themselves. im going to respectfully disagree slightly. an athlete earns millions because they help make the company they work for millions. if someone has millions thats because they had value doing what they do and they earned it. No ones talent is worth that much money. No one’s! There is absolutely no way one person’s talent is worth that much. It’s sad, it really is that just because a person can act or shoot hoops or sing, they get all this money. I think everyone has a talent or something they are good at. There really should be a cap on how much people should be able to earn. Until everyone is America has enough to live on, there shouldn’t be a single person making this much. It’s disgusting.
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Post by RuthlessFigs on Jan 15, 2019 1:37:52 GMT -5
im going to respectfully disagree slightly. an athlete earns millions because they help make the company they work for millions. if someone has millions thats because they had value doing what they do and they earned it. No ones talent is worth that much money. No one’s! There is absolutely no way one person’s talent is worth that much. It’s sad, it really is that just because a person can act or shoot hoops or sing, they get all this money. I think everyone has a talent or something they are good at. There really should be a cap on how much people should be able to earn. Until everyone is America has enough to live on, there shouldn’t be a single person making this much. It’s disgusting. Like mentioned above, if a single athletes physical or verbal talent can earn a company millions, then they should be paid accordingly. Someone with the star power of John Cena, someone who has carried a company for over 10 years and earned million and millions for that company SHOULD be paid at least 2 million a year. Lets say Cena worked 200 days a year for 10 years, that's 2000 days of his life spent performing, appearing and promoting a single brand. Anything under 2 million year would be a slap in the face for his years of dedication and hard work. Also to mention, as everyone knows, Wrestling is a demanding profession. So for guys like Cena, Rollins, Reigns, Styles etc... who put their lives on the line 200+ days a year, in a top level main event position, spending time away from their families, getting injured and pushing on, as well as maintaining an image for people to support, paying them ANY LESS than 1 million would be an insult. On top of the already demanding schedule, these guys are faces of the company, they're plastered everywhere for anything WWE related, interviews, signings, appearances, as well as being the heroes that thousands of kids look up to, including attending Make A Wish events and giving these sick (some terminally ill) kids hope to hold on to, that hits them hard, especially for someone like Daniel Bryan, who gave Connor Michalek his wish to meet him, gave him hope but in the end, ultimately passing away. You could argue that has just as much of an effect on their physical and mental health as the actual wrestling does, so combine both the in ring and out of ring schedule and you've got talent worth well over a million dollars. So with that level of star power and attraction value, if people PAY to see YOU, because YOU are one of the top stars with the most weight on your shoulders, then they should be among the highest paid people in the company. I hope this can respectfully change your mind and help you see that these athletes are indeed worth the millions they earn.
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Post by LK3 on Jan 15, 2019 5:32:42 GMT -5
Exactly! I'd be willing to bet that in America, more people know who Alicia Fox is than Kenny Omega. Has nothing to do with talent. It really doesn't have anything to do with talent. Absolutely more people know who she is over him because she's been on American TV. Casual fans aren't searching for a way to watch Japanese wrestling. Omega just isn't a big star here. Honestly it's why most of the nxt call ups aren't pushed to the moon immediately. Nxt fans are only a fraction of wwe fans. Its just how it is. Just because more people know who WWE wrestlers are compared to Kenny Omega doesn't mean he isn't a big star in America. Kenny Omega's popularity is 100x, 200x greater (whatever the number might be) than Alicia Fox's. He also wrestles all over the world, he's not just a Japanese star. He's a world wide star in the wrestling business, just like WWE wrestlers are world wide stars.
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Post by master of the WORLD! on Jan 15, 2019 10:16:29 GMT -5
im going to respectfully disagree slightly. an athlete earns millions because they help make the company they work for millions. if someone has millions thats because they had value doing what they do and they earned it. No ones talent is worth that much money. No one’s! There is absolutely no way one person’s talent is worth that much. It’s sad, it really is that just because a person can act or shoot hoops or sing, they get all this money. I think everyone has a talent or something they are good at. There really should be a cap on how much people should be able to earn. Until everyone is America has enough to live on, there shouldn’t be a single person making this much. It’s disgusting. i could be wrong but wouldnt that be communism where you cant get rich off of your skill lol. you say they arent worth that much and thats your opinion but they clearly are worth that much. hypothetically speaking lets say john cena generates 50 million dollars for the wwe do you think that a 50 thousand dollar a year salary would be fair for him? you have to understand that what athletes and actors get paid is based on how much money they can generate for the company they work for. LeBron James makes what he makes because he generates money for his talent. a McDonald's cashier makes minimum wage because their job dosnt require much skill or talent to do. so should LeBron james and a mcdonalds cashier make the same amount of money? Jeff bezos is worth like 192 billion dollars not becuase he sat around and did nothing he did something to earn it. no one "needs" 192 billion dollars but it didn't magically fall out of the sky into his hands. a do agree that a lot of professions that make an impact of society are underpaid for sure like cops, teachers, military etc. but thats a moral issue.
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Post by BSR on Jan 15, 2019 10:31:03 GMT -5
It really doesn't have anything to do with talent. Absolutely more people know who she is over him because she's been on American TV. Casual fans aren't searching for a way to watch Japanese wrestling. Omega just isn't a big star here. Honestly it's why most of the nxt call ups aren't pushed to the moon immediately. Nxt fans are only a fraction of wwe fans. Its just how it is. Just because more people know who WWE wrestlers are compared to Kenny Omega doesn't mean he isn't a big star in America. Kenny Omega's popularity is 100x, 200x greater (whatever the number might be) than Alicia Fox's. He also wrestles all over the world, he's not just a Japanese star. He's a world wide star in the wrestling business, just like WWE wrestlers are world wide stars. Except hes not. Most people don't even get axis tv or whatever it is, and if they did they're not watching wrestlers they've never heard of. Sure among diehard wrestling fans people know who he is. A casual fan is not downloading Google translate and using a Japanese website to watch a small white guy wrestle in Japan. Whereas someone like Alicia fox has been on a channel that all women generally watch. On a reality show. Its been proven that people know who total divas cast members are that don't even know what night wrestling comes on.
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Post by FLUX '97 on Jan 15, 2019 14:16:28 GMT -5
Kenny Omega is not a megastar outside of Japan, but when he comes to WWE, he will be.
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Post by LingardRashfordMartial on Jan 21, 2019 15:45:01 GMT -5
Would love to see Kenny in WWE but a big chance he won't sign until he's nearing the end of his career.
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Post by Cassa Nova Kid on Jan 21, 2019 17:00:03 GMT -5
He was in wwe development at one point and he was not treated well so he is prob a bit bitter with WWE also.
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Post by theMOESIAH on Jan 21, 2019 17:13:24 GMT -5
That an incredibly dumb comparison (almost as bad as comparing him to Hogan). ALL 3 of those names were huge names in WWE prior. While 90% of American have no clue who Kenny Omega is. People don't seem to understand that omega isn't a star in America. Hes a Japanese star. I thought something similar about AJ Styles and I'm sure we all remember the surprising mega pop he got when he debuted. Who knows, maybe the Universe will surprise us again?
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Post by FLUX '97 on Jan 21, 2019 17:16:05 GMT -5
People don't seem to understand that omega isn't a star in America. Hes a Japanese star. I thought something similar about AJ Styles and I'm sure we all remember the surprising mega pop he got when he debuted. Who knows, maybe the Universe will surprise us again? AJ also wrestled in the #2 promotion in America before that and the event he debuted at took place in Orlando, where said promotion did tapings for years before expanding to a national schedule.
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Post by theMOESIAH on Jan 22, 2019 9:35:18 GMT -5
I thought something similar about AJ Styles and I'm sure we all remember the surprising mega pop he got when he debuted. Who knows, maybe the Universe will surprise us again? AJ also wrestled in the #2 promotion in America before that and the event he debuted at took place in Orlando, where said promotion did tapings for years before expanding to a national schedule. I forgot any the Rumble being in Orlando that year. Still, TNA didn't have that big of an audience.
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