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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2019 22:01:26 GMT -5
man, i always loved when good guys wrestled good guys and bad guys wrestled bad guys.
what are some of your favorite Babyface vs Babyface and Heel vs Heel matches? (hopin some of your lists help me remember some i might have forgot).
wwf
hogan vs warrior
hart vs piper
warrior vs savage
savage vs roberts
bundy/kamala vs roberts
hart vs bulldog
hart vs perfect
steamboat vs davey boy
bret/owen vs steiner bros
dreamteam vs sheik & volkoff
hart foundation vs sheik & volkoff
hart foundation vs the rockers
hart foundation vs legion of doom
legion of doom vs the rockers
disasters vs money inc
ss95 wild card match
wcw
flair vs koloff
flair vs luger
luger vs muta
horseman vs midnight ex vs 4 horseman
doom vs 4 horseman
steiner bros vs road warriors
doom vs samoan swat team
sting/luger vs steiner bros
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Post by The Brain on Jan 30, 2019 22:50:11 GMT -5
I'll throw in an obscure one from late 92...
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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Jan 30, 2019 22:59:04 GMT -5
Sheik and Volkoff were babyfaces at one point?? I know that's not the point of this thread and I know I hate it when people derail my threads, but I have to ask.
I'm sitting here trying to think of great pairings. I'm having trouble thinking of some because I'm curious if we're including matchups where both wrestlers or teams were highly supported by opposing sides of the audience or matches of the presentation of face vs face or heel vs heel.
A great one from the 70s was Harley Race vs SuperStar Billy Graham. Both men are considered the top heels of their respective sanctioning bodies and their matches were deeply polarizing. Granted Billy Graham is not Harley's equal as a technician but he held his own well enough for Harley to make it work.
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Jan 30, 2019 23:04:00 GMT -5
Wasn’t Savage still technically heel when he started feuding with HTM prior to the Mega Powers forming?
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Post by The Brain on Jan 30, 2019 23:16:32 GMT -5
Wasn’t Savage still technically heel when he started feuding with HTM prior to the Mega Powers forming? He was still heel when he won the belt in June 87 since he was in the backstage celebration but as soon as HTM proclaimed himself the ''greatest IC Champ'' that ticked off Savage so he turned right after it.
This is when they officially turned Savage...
IMO Savage was basically a face after WM III considering the pops he was getting but the official turn was when they put em with HTM.
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Post by Artie Kendall on Jan 30, 2019 23:26:45 GMT -5
I'll throw these out:
Owen Vs Bulldog - Raw - Tournament Final For the European Championship
Pillman Vs Liger - Superbrawl II
Bret Vs Shawn - Mania 12
Shawn Vs Martel - SummerSlam 92
Shawn Vs Razor - SummerSlam 95
Survivor Series 95 Wild Card Match
Bret Vs Shawn - Survivor Series 97
Bret Vs Diesel Survivor Series 95
Bret Vs 1-2-3 Kid - Raw
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2019 23:45:53 GMT -5
Sheik and Volkoff were babyfaces at one point?? I know that's not the point of this thread and I know I hate it when people derail my threads, but I have to ask. I'm sitting here trying to think of great pairings. I'm having trouble thinking of some because I'm curious if we're including matchups where both wrestlers or teams were highly supported by opposing sides of the audience or matches of the presentation of face vs face or heel vs heel. A great one from the 70s was Harley Race vs SuperStar Billy Graham. Both men are considered the top heels of their respective sanctioning bodies and their matches were deeply polarizing. Granted Billy Graham is not Harley's equal as a technician but he held his own well enough for Harley to make it work. sheik & volkoff were heels facing dreamt team & hart foundation who were both heel teams at the time to. yes include matches when fans still thought one guy was a babyface or hell. i saw a savage vs orndorff match in tuscan AZ when both were just kinda turning good and fans were cheerring for both but they were still technically heels. |
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Post by nibs92 on Jan 31, 2019 0:57:59 GMT -5
Haku v King Harley Race
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2019 1:01:07 GMT -5
Sheik and Volkoff were babyfaces at one point?? I know that's not the point of this thread and I know I hate it when people derail my threads, but I have to ask. I'm sitting here trying to think of great pairings. I'm having trouble thinking of some because I'm curious if we're including matchups where both wrestlers or teams were highly supported by opposing sides of the audience or matches of the presentation of face vs face or heel vs heel. A great one from the 70s was Harley Race vs SuperStar Billy Graham. Both men are considered the top heels of their respective sanctioning bodies and their matches were deeply polarizing. Granted Billy Graham is not Harley's equal as a technician but he held his own well enough for Harley to make it work. that just reminded me of this old tv guide ad i have with champions from both wwf & nwa: Attachment Deleted |
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Post by alexxx on Jan 31, 2019 1:16:56 GMT -5
The Hart foundation vs the rockers
The Hart foundation vs legion of doom
Power and Glory vs Orient express
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Post by LK3 on Jan 31, 2019 1:37:28 GMT -5
When I was younger and in my early years of being a fan I was always super interested in these types of matchups. It doesn't feel the same to me nowadays when it happens. That said, I don't really have any off the top of my head that I remember lol. This has been a legendary contribution.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2019 3:08:39 GMT -5
i always felt like jake the snake was still a heel while battling honky, bundy, kamala, etc.
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Post by MKSavage on Jan 31, 2019 9:49:51 GMT -5
Some of the best matches I have seen were face vs face or heel vs heel:
Face:
Hogan v Warrior
Bret v Piper
Bret v Bulldog
Bret v Perfect
Macho v Warrior
Bret v 123 Kid
Bret v Diesel - RR95 and Survivor Series 95
Shawn v Razor
Hart Foundation v Rockers (multiple times)
Hart Foundation v Legion of Doom
Legion of Doom v Rockers
Owen/Bret v Steiners
Heel:
Jake vs Savage - SNME 1986
Bret v Shawn - Survivor Series 97
Model v Shawn - not a great technical wrestling match but a great gimmick match
Though I don't remember the match too much, I believe Koko and Tito Santana fought in early 1991 a few times and one of the matches was on one of there coliseum video tapes (if i remember correctly). At the Wrestling Classic in 1985, Ricky Steamboat and Davey Boy Smith wrestled each other in the first round, and Tito and Paul Orndorff wrestled each other in the second round (i believe this was after Orndorff turned baby face since this was after he and Piper had their match on SNME). IRS fought Berzerker then Jerry Sags at King of the Ring 1991.
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Post by JokerFC on Jan 31, 2019 10:49:37 GMT -5
The ones that I think deserve mention....
Golden Era WWF/WCW:
1)Hogan vs Warrior @ WM6
2)Hart vs Piper @wm8
3)Steiner's vs Road Warriors
4) Sting/Luger vs The Steiner's @ Superbrawl
90s/NG/AE:
1)Hart vs Diesel @ SS95
2)Hart vs Perfect(looking back KOTR 93 was a great event)
3)Bret/Owen vs Steiner's
4)Hart vs 123 Kid on Raw
5)Austin & Rock vs the NAO(night DX reformed in 99)
6)Austin vs Rock @ WM17. DESPISE the ending but Jesus what a match
7)HBK vs Bulldog @ IYH:One Night Only
8)HBK vs Razor @ Summerslam 95
RA Era:
HBK vs Shelton Benjamin on Raw GR tourney....
UT vs HBK #1 @ WM
UT vs Batista @ WM
CM Punk vs Cena @ MITB
RVD vs Cena @ ONS 2006
HBK vs Cena @ WM
Kurt Angle vs UT @ NWO 2006
I'm sure I've missed out loads....but these leap out at me.....
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2019 11:10:49 GMT -5
great lists guys. ive added a couple to my original list from your guys's.
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Post by Hulkster2001 on Jan 31, 2019 12:16:54 GMT -5
HBK vs Shelton Benjamin on Raw GR tourney.... Was that the one where Benjamin jumped into sweet chin music? |
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Post by Stuart? on Jan 31, 2019 12:19:00 GMT -5
Michaels vs Martel always comes to mind for me
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Post by The Brain on Jan 31, 2019 13:29:00 GMT -5
Some of the best matches I have seen were face vs face or heel vs heel: Face: Hogan v Warrior Bret v Piper Bret v Bulldog Bret v Perfect Macho v Warrior Bret v 123 Kid Bret v Diesel - RR95 and Survivor Series 95 Shawn v Razor Hart Foundation v Rockers (multiple times) Hart Foundation v Legion of Doom Legion of Doom v Rockers Owen/Bret v Steiners Heel: Jake vs Savage - SNME 1986 Bret v Shawn - Survivor Series 97 Model v Shawn - not a great technical wrestling match but a great gimmick match Though I don't remember the match too much, I believe Koko and Tito Santana fought in early 1991 a few times and one of the matches was on one of there coliseum video tapes (if i remember correctly). At the Wrestling Classic in 1985, Ricky Steamboat and Davey Boy Smith wrestled each other in the first round, and Tito and Paul Orndorff wrestled each other in the second round (i believe this was after Orndorff turned baby face since this was after he and Piper had their match on SNME). IRS fought Berzerker then Jerry Sags at King of the Ring 1991. SuperTape 4  |
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Post by MKSavage on Jan 31, 2019 14:34:04 GMT -5
Some of the best matches I have seen were face vs face or heel vs heel: Face: Hogan v Warrior Bret v Piper Bret v Bulldog Bret v Perfect Macho v Warrior Bret v 123 Kid Bret v Diesel - RR95 and Survivor Series 95 Shawn v Razor Hart Foundation v Rockers (multiple times) Hart Foundation v Legion of Doom Legion of Doom v Rockers Owen/Bret v Steiners Heel: Jake vs Savage - SNME 1986 Bret v Shawn - Survivor Series 97 Model v Shawn - not a great technical wrestling match but a great gimmick match Though I don't remember the match too much, I believe Koko and Tito Santana fought in early 1991 a few times and one of the matches was on one of there coliseum video tapes (if i remember correctly). At the Wrestling Classic in 1985, Ricky Steamboat and Davey Boy Smith wrestled each other in the first round, and Tito and Paul Orndorff wrestled each other in the second round (i believe this was after Orndorff turned baby face since this was after he and Piper had their match on SNME). IRS fought Berzerker then Jerry Sags at King of the Ring 1991. SuperTape 4 I just looked it up, they also wrestled at SNME in January 1991. Was that the same match as SuperTape 4? |
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Post by The Brain on Jan 31, 2019 14:46:06 GMT -5
SuperTape 4 I just looked it up, they also wrestled at SNME in January 1991. Was that the same match as SuperTape 4? The match on ST was from a MSG card. |
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