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Post by punksnotdead on Feb 7, 2019 12:03:22 GMT -5
I would say transitional champion would be better but for arguments sake if I asked you who had the better careers, Iron Sheik & Sgt Slaughter or Mr. Perfect & Roddy Piper....can you really say Sheik & Slaughter simply because they were champion? This is probably more so the debate of the thread. A transitional title win doesn’t make a career. I think Perfect and Piper undoubtedly had better careers in this scenario imo. That maybe opens the floor for what makes a great career or a timeless legend. Scott Hall for instance. So yeah, as a fan of a performer, and obviously as the perform, you take the win no matter what, but I guess with the prerequisite that it likely isn’t changing the overall perception of said performer, so like Jinder. CM Punk’s first WHC win is probably a really good example of this conversation as well. Paraphrasing along the lines of “they made me Champion, I had the belt, but I wasn’t a top guy.” |
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Post by Zincdust on Feb 7, 2019 12:09:02 GMT -5
Transitional, no doubt. Edge’s first title reign was a transitional one and its his most memorable because of how he won. See, now this I don't get. Maybe I've always misunderstood the term "transitional champion". I had always thought that it meant giving someone a short "throw-away" title reign in order to take a championship off of Wrestler A and put it on Wrestler C (with Wrestler B being the Transitional Champ) without having Wrestlers A and C facing each other. Examples like: Backlund > Sheik > Hogan Warrior > Slaughter > Hogan Hart > Backlund > Diesel I've seen Edge's first championship reign described as "transitional" (heck, even by Edge himself) a lot, but he beat Cena for the title, and then lost it... back to Cena? I don't see how that can be considered transitional, unless I've totally misunderstood the term. Is it to be applied for ANY short title reign? By definition, it wouldn't warrant the term "transitional". Maybe I'm overthinking it. But then again, that's my M.O. (according to my wife). |
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Post by Nivro™ on Feb 7, 2019 12:54:40 GMT -5
Transitional, no doubt. Edge’s first title reign was a transitional one and its his most memorable because of how he won. See, now this I don't get. Maybe I've always misunderstood the term "transitional champion". I had always thought that it meant giving someone a short "throw-away" title reign in order to take a championship off of Wrestler A and put it on Wrestler C (with Wrestler B being the Transitional Champ) without having Wrestlers A and C facing each other. Examples like: Backlund > Sheik > Hogan Warrior > Slaughter > Hogan Hart > Backlund > Diesel I've seen Edge's first championship reign described as "transitional" (heck, even by Edge himself) a lot, but he beat Cena for the title, and then lost it... back to Cena? I don't see how that can be considered transitional, unless I've totally misunderstood the term. Is it to be applied for ANY short title reign? By definition, it wouldn't warrant the term "transitional". Maybe I'm overthinking it. But then again, that's my M.O. (according to my wife). I agree, I dont see how Edges win was a transition. Usually it's to get the title from 1 face to another, without having the faces compete against each other....much like the examples you gave. If he would have won from Cena and then lost to say The Undertaker, I could see it. |
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Feb 7, 2019 12:58:21 GMT -5
In wrestling, if you can get it, TAKE IT. Once it happens, they can never take it away from you.
It doesn't matter if it's one week, one month or one day....look at Zack Ryder. He won the Intercontinental Title at WrestleMania. Had the belt for one day...but it happened and it's history, he had a WrestleMania moment and they can never take that away from him. WWE didn't have to do that. They could have put it right on Miz that night, but they gave Zack Ryder a moment and it's forever.
For for sure, if you can get a Championship, do it. Transitional or not. Championships are Championships.
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Post by ~ Cymru ~ on Feb 7, 2019 13:47:06 GMT -5
for the person, great, for the company, its a bit of a black mark on the titles legacy and de-values the titles The Great Khali's title "run" is a good example.
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Post by weaseltv on Feb 7, 2019 16:49:56 GMT -5
Here's a similar but different comparison.
Would you rather be Carson Wentz, who got injured, but got a Super Bowl ring watching Nick Foles play the game.
Or
Would you rather be Jared Goff, who played in the Super Bowl, but lost.
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Post by Edge618 on Feb 9, 2019 5:52:42 GMT -5
Kane held the WWE championship for one day. But he’s on that list of 60 or so guys who’ve had it. And when you really step back and look at that list, it is a very prominent list to be on, no matter the value of the actual reign.
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Post by mcdleaf on Feb 9, 2019 11:24:53 GMT -5
Transitional, no doubt. Edge’s first title reign was a transitional one and its his most memorable because of how he won. That wasn't really transitional, it went back to Cena, it was more to just setup the match at 22 with Foley |
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Post by Rated [R] NinJa on Feb 11, 2019 10:53:55 GMT -5
Transitional, no doubt. Edge’s first title reign was a transitional one and its his most memorable because of how he won. That wasn't really transitional, it went back to Cena, it was more to just setup the match at 22 with Foley It was transitional in the sense that they referred to it as transitational in the storyline and even on TNA during Christian and Jeff Jarrett’s feud. |
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