drnickriviera995
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Post by drnickriviera995 on Feb 9, 2019 22:47:03 GMT -5
Guess this would go here, since it's off topic, but on topic.
I was just wondering if it's ever justifiable by ebay standards and not get negative feedback as a result of canceling a BIN purchase?
Recently had an issue with a buyer and a MOC Hasbro I sold.
Now, I saw issues possibly coming after reviewing his feedback, and then sure enough, guy wants partial refund. Firstly, he said he wanted it because he "overpaid", and even before it was delivered.
Then after it was delivered he claimed it wasn't as described and opened a case, I just gave in and did the partial refund, since that's what I would have lost after paying for the return label plus what I paid to ship it in the first place. Also didn't want to take the chance he'd purpously damage it before sending it back, or not even send the same one back.
Had I just cancelled the order before shipping it, added him to my blocked buyers list and relisted, could have avoided the whole situation.
But, I know if I cancel an order they could leave me negative feedback.
If I put a clear disclaimer in my listings that I can cancel an order for any reason, would that cover me at all? Or wouldn't matter?
It just sucks for a seller that ebay will always side with the buyer and there's no way to weed it out with the "bidder requirements" or whatever it's called page. If you can't leave a neg. or nut. for a buyer, there's no way for the feedback to ever matter in that flawed system.
Sorry for the long post, just very annoyed and frustrated by this. I've had at least 200 ebay sales over the years and only had like 2 or 3 issues. But it really just sours me on the whole thing.
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Henchmen4Hire
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Post by Henchmen4Hire on Feb 10, 2019 2:57:03 GMT -5
Ebay sides with scummy buyers 99% of the time. However, when it's clear that the buyer is being a dick, eBay will refund the buyer but also let you keep your payment.
And yes, check feedback before doing business, good move, but next time act on your instincts :]
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Post by Quazimoto on Feb 10, 2019 3:31:20 GMT -5
First off, please don't let one or even a few bad apples ruin selling things on a platform like eBay for you. Yes, there are some real shmucks out there who will give you a giant headache from time to time. But, the vast majority of buyers are just honest folks looking to buy something. I've been buying and selling on eBay for over a decade and only had a handful of really bad experiences.
Situations like yours really suck because this buyer clearly had every intention of doing some shady crap right from the start. In no way would any buyer ever be entitled to a partial refund because they think they overpaid. That's just asinine right there. Unfortunately, this is probably the biggest problem with being a lower level eBay seller (they'll bend over backwards to help out power sellers, but don't seem to care a whole lot for small, part-time sellers). Any seller absolutely should be allowed to leave negative feedback for a buyer when it's warranted and eBay removing that option is one of the worst things they're ever done.
Sadly, putting a disclaimer in your listings wouldn't really help at all. Yes, it might be a good idea because some unscrupulous buyers might be frightened off by it, but ultimately, whenever you sell something on eBay, you agree to eBay's rules regardless of what you put in your listing. For instance, you can say all payments are due in 24 hours and anything not paid within 24 hours will be cancelled and relisted if you like, but the reality is that eBay allows 2 days before you can even open a non-payment case against a buyer and then allows the buyer an additional 4 days before you can close that case. So, it doesn't really matter what you right in your listing, you're still going to be beholden to eBay's policies and regulations.
eBay does usually side with the buyer in disputed, but not ALWAYS. And even if you do lose a case initially, it is possible to get that overturned. I had a sale one time where that came into play. I was doing custom painted and decorated vintage game consoles for a while. I'd buy ugly looking or broken consoles and controllers, fix them up and give them a nice custom paint job (kept me going for a while until stock consoles got too expensive to obtain). Most of the time, a new part or two and some know-how would get a supposedly broken system working like new again. This one time, I just couldn't get a system working again. Not wanting to just waste the parts, I decided to customize it anyway and sell if as a show-piece. I literally wrote both in the listing title "DOES NOT WORK PROPERLY" and in three different places within the body of the listing page "SYSTEM DOES NOT WORK PROPERLY - console will power one, but won't play games. Sold as a display piece only." Sure enough, I sold it and literally minutes after the delivery confirmation showed it as delivered, the buyer opens a Not As Described case claiming that the game system didn't work. Sure enough, because eBay uses a largely automated disputed process, the case was closed against me and the funds were removed from my paypal account, a refund automatically issued to the buyer, and the buyer left me negative feedback (my first and only non-positive feedback). I was pissed, so I called eBay customer service. They read off the script as they usually do until I spoke with a manager and politely requested that a human being actually read the description of the item in question. As soon as they actually did that, the manager promptly apologized, returned the funds to my paypal account, and removed the unwarranted negative feedback from my account. They buyer also had their account suspended for abusing the dispute process. So, yeah, you might initially lose a dispute, but if it's not a justified reason, just put up a stink about it (in a polite manner - yelling and screaming and blaming eBay customer service won't get you anywhere) and it can be changed.
Point is that sure, you're gonna run into some crappy buyers looking to scam you on eBay (or any sale platform). But, the positives will almost always outweigh the negatives. Just look at the numbers for your own history. At least 200 sales and only 2 or 3 issues. That's like 1% of the time you have a problem, meaning that 99% of the time it works out splendidly. That's pretty danged good odds.
In the future, you might try a tactic that I've found pretty useful in weeding out a few more crap buyers. List things at a Buy It Now price with the Best Offer option. Set you Buy It Now price higher than your normally would and do NOT set an automatic acceptance level for your Best Offer. Almost any buyer interested in what you're selling will try to get it cheaper if they can, so they'll send an offer. Not having an automatically accepted price point will allow you, as a seller, to sort of pre-screen the buyer by looking into their location, feedback history, and other such factors. Then you can better respond to them by counter-offering or declining (and they blocking the buyer if you got skeevy vibes from them). I'm pretty sure I've avoided at least a few headaches that way.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2019 4:40:20 GMT -5
If you cancel an order the buyer would probably leave a negative or neutral feedback, if it was me, I'd have rejected the request for money back and had him return it
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drnickriviera995
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Post by drnickriviera995 on Feb 10, 2019 4:49:57 GMT -5
If you cancel an order the buyer would probably leave a negative or neutral feedback, if it was me, I'd have rejected the request for money back and had him return it Yeah, but then it's a wash anyway after what I paid in shipping and a return label ebay would have charged me. And then I run the risk of it being returned screwed up or him not even sending the same item back. And there's really no way of proving anything.
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drnickriviera995
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Post by drnickriviera995 on Feb 10, 2019 4:53:40 GMT -5
First off, please don't let one or even a few bad apples ruin selling things on a platform like eBay for you. Yes, there are some real shmucks out there who will give you a giant headache from time to time. But, the vast majority of buyers are just honest folks looking to buy something. I've been buying and selling on eBay for over a decade and only had a handful of really bad experiences. Situations like yours really suck because this buyer clearly had every intention of doing some shady crap right from the start. In no way would any buyer ever be entitled to a partial refund because they think they overpaid. That's just asinine right there. Unfortunately, this is probably the biggest problem with being a lower level eBay seller (they'll bend over backwards to help out power sellers, but don't seem to care a whole lot for small, part-time sellers). Any seller absolutely should be allowed to leave negative feedback for a buyer when it's warranted and eBay removing that option is one of the worst things they're ever done. Sadly, putting a disclaimer in your listings wouldn't really help at all. Yes, it might be a good idea because some unscrupulous buyers might be frightened off by it, but ultimately, whenever you sell something on eBay, you agree to eBay's rules regardless of what you put in your listing. For instance, you can say all payments are due in 24 hours and anything not paid within 24 hours will be cancelled and relisted if you like, but the reality is that eBay allows 2 days before you can even open a non-payment case against a buyer and then allows the buyer an additional 4 days before you can close that case. So, it doesn't really matter what you right in your listing, you're still going to be beholden to eBay's policies and regulations. eBay does usually side with the buyer in disputed, but not ALWAYS. And even if you do lose a case initially, it is possible to get that overturned. I had a sale one time where that came into play. I was doing custom painted and decorated vintage game consoles for a while. I'd buy ugly looking or broken consoles and controllers, fix them up and give them a nice custom paint job (kept me going for a while until stock consoles got too expensive to obtain). Most of the time, a new part or two and some know-how would get a supposedly broken system working like new again. This one time, I just couldn't get a system working again. Not wanting to just waste the parts, I decided to customize it anyway and sell if as a show-piece. I literally wrote both in the listing title "DOES NOT WORK PROPERLY" and in three different places within the body of the listing page "SYSTEM DOES NOT WORK PROPERLY - console will power one, but won't play games. Sold as a display piece only." Sure enough, I sold it and literally minutes after the delivery confirmation showed it as delivered, the buyer opens a Not As Described case claiming that the game system didn't work. Sure enough, because eBay uses a largely automated disputed process, the case was closed against me and the funds were removed from my paypal account, a refund automatically issued to the buyer, and the buyer left me negative feedback (my first and only non-positive feedback). I was pissed, so I called eBay customer service. They read off the script as they usually do until I spoke with a manager and politely requested that a human being actually read the description of the item in question. As soon as they actually did that, the manager promptly apologized, returned the funds to my paypal account, and removed the unwarranted negative feedback from my account. They buyer also had their account suspended for abusing the dispute process. So, yeah, you might initially lose a dispute, but if it's not a justified reason, just put up a stink about it (in a polite manner - yelling and screaming and blaming eBay customer service won't get you anywhere) and it can be changed. Point is that sure, you're gonna run into some crappy buyers looking to scam you on eBay (or any sale platform). But, the positives will almost always outweigh the negatives. Just look at the numbers for your own history. At least 200 sales and only 2 or 3 issues. That's like 1% of the time you have a problem, meaning that 99% of the time it works out splendidly. That's pretty danged good odds. In the future, you might try a tactic that I've found pretty useful in weeding out a few more crap buyers. List things at a Buy It Now price with the Best Offer option. Set you Buy It Now price higher than your normally would and do NOT set an automatic acceptance level for your Best Offer. Almost any buyer interested in what you're selling will try to get it cheaper if they can, so they'll send an offer. Not having an automatically accepted price point will allow you, as a seller, to sort of pre-screen the buyer by looking into their location, feedback history, and other such factors. Then you can better respond to them by counter-offering or declining (and they blocking the buyer if you got skeevy vibes from them). I'm pretty sure I've avoided at least a few headaches that way. I really do appreciate the time you must have taken to write that response. I posted the same question on the ebay message boards and got pretty much the same responces. I've thought about doing the best offer in the past, but I just hate having to respond to offers all day. So I have begun doing that anyway to avoid some of these things down the road. I'll just jack up all my prices add the best offer, and auto decline anything low ball, and then be able to review feedback before commiting to sales. I get sometimes I won't be able to weed them out based on feedback, especially relatively new users, but I would have avoided this guy. I can tell he loves to leave negs/nuetrals, and in most cases when I looked them up, his feedback was the only negatives in those seller's profiles. In the meantime I did report the guy, doubt anything will come of it, and it's proably not worth my time to track down a real person at ebay on the phone and then trying to understand broken English to resolve an issue.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2019 5:31:15 GMT -5
If you cancel an order the buyer would probably leave a negative or neutral feedback, if it was me, I'd have rejected the request for money back and had him return it Yeah, but then it's a wash anyway after what I paid in shipping and a return label ebay would have charged me. And then I run the risk of it being returned screwed up or him not even sending the same item back. And there's really no way of proving anything. You do have a comeback if they return it to you damaged though I just cant stand people like that, so out of principle, I'd rather take the hit on the return, I have done so in the past and they just dont bother returning it 9 times out of 10
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Post by kennyw86v2 on Feb 10, 2019 12:51:48 GMT -5
I hate eBay. Mostly good experiences, but the bad ones are enough to make me dread listing anything. Sold a figuarts green ranger. Guy got made because he felt he overpaid. So he wanted a refund. I declined, because hey dumbass, you bought it. So he smashed it up, sent pics to ebay and got a refund. Either that or he already had a broken one and just swapped and returned. Sold a Finn Balor figure, my listing says shipped within 3 business days. Idiot bought it on a Saturday afternoon and expects it shipped no later than Monday. Saturday doesn't count if you but after the post office closes, Sunday doesn't count, and Monday was a holiday. So he wanted it out in zero business days. He lost the case, because derp. But I was pissed. I Facebook searched him, and sure enough his profile pic matched his eBay pic. He was shook when I messaged him on fb and let him know what the was gonna happen. EBay is a last resort for me. I try fb first. No fees and no way to get a refund.
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Post by LA Times on Feb 15, 2019 21:52:55 GMT -5
I hate eBay. Mostly good experiences, but the bad ones are enough to make me dread listing anything. Sold a figuarts green ranger. Guy got made because he felt he overpaid. So he wanted a refund. I declined, because hey dumbass, you bought it. So he smashed it up, sent pics to ebay and got a refund. Either that or he already had a broken one and just swapped and returned. Sold a Finn Balor figure, my listing says shipped within 3 business days. Idiot bought it on a Saturday afternoon and expects it shipped no later than Monday. Saturday doesn't count if you but after the post office closes, Sunday doesn't count, and Monday was a holiday. So he wanted it out in zero business days. He lost the case, because derp. But I was pissed. I Facebook searched him, and sure enough his profile pic matched his eBay pic. He was shook when I messaged him on fb and let him know what the was gonna happen. EBay is a last resort for me. I try fb first. No fees and no way to get a refund. I would say for 1/50 transactions, you encounter a buyer who is the online equivalent of the lowlife virgin who repacks figures and returns them to the store and/or steals the accessories.
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Post by RuthlessFigs on Feb 16, 2019 3:01:15 GMT -5
I haven't had any bad experiences on the Bay except one.
In 2017 i was looking for the SH Figuarts SDCC 2015 Exclusive Goku figure, all the listings were $300 - $400 and the odd '$100' from Pakistan. I came across one for $200 shipped, after looking at the pics and determining it was legit, i bought it. This was on a Monday and a couple days go past and i get no notification that it's being shipped or anything, then on Friday i see that the item was completely refunded and a message from them saying "Not shipping to Australia" despite the fact he listed it as shipping worldwide and it even had the postage costs. I replied to him saying "Why not? You had it listed as shipping Worldwide", they replied with "I said i'm not shipping to Australia", No apology, no explanation or anything. So i lastly replied with "Maybe next time if you're not going to ship Worldwide don't list it as that" and left him a negative review.
While looking for a new buy a couple days after this i saw the same figure listed again, did they change the shipping to US only or excluding certain countries? Nope, still shipping "Worldwide"...
I guess if there is a plus from that, they did refund it but still, why list it as Worldwide then just cancel and say "Not shipping to Australia" with no explanation or apology? Thankfully though while i was looking for another one to buy, i found one for a similar price and made an offer to the nearest hundred and they accepted it, shipped to Australia and it arrived pretty quick.
So to the guy i originally bought off, in the words of Bad Luck Fale - "F*CK EM"
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 5:12:18 GMT -5
look always at there feedback,
i tend to stick to the facebook groups im in when selling stuff then ebay
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Post by Halloween King on Feb 18, 2019 23:23:53 GMT -5
Ebay always sides with the buyers.
I spoke to a person from Ebay once. There was an issue with something I sold. My hand was forced to do a refund. The buyer sent the item back, and funds were taken from my account.
On the phone, I told the Ebay person that a buyer could always raise a claim, and that Ebay would side with the buyer. Then I posed a question to the Ebay person. I asked...... What is to keep someone from shipping back to me an empty box?
The Ebay person told me straight up, nothing is to keep a buyer from shipping back an empty box. It's all on good faith. I was then informed that if an empty box, or wrong item was returned to me, the only thing I could do was flag the buyer. If a buyer has x amount of Flags they are labeled as a difficult person to deal with.
Speaking to that person from Ebay was an eye opener. Since that time I haven't used FeeBay since. Feebay does nothing to protect sellers. And if a deal goes bad they still want their fees.
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Post by monstarpr on Mar 11, 2019 11:43:07 GMT -5
What sucks about eBay is that there is no real recourse for a seller. I've had people BIN then tell me they didn't want the item, buy items then try to hold me up for a discount after they receive the item, the old classic of buying/winning the item then ghosting.
I've tried to state my case to eBay, but they don't care as long as they get their cut. You can't even leave negative feedback for buyers to warn others.
When eBay works, it's a cool platform. But when things go south....it's a trainwreck.
PROTIP: I almost ALWAYS ship Priority because your parcel is insured (up to $50) if the item you sell is more than $50...kick in the extra couple of bucks and pay for insurance.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2019 7:28:26 GMT -5
I always do best offer, and when I get an offer I counter it no matter what, because I tend to find that weeds out dickheads who just want to you around. They still get through occasionally but it happens far less.
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Post by jason1980s on Mar 13, 2019 14:50:25 GMT -5
I've been on ebay for 10 years and my father has been on about 15 years and we rarely have any issues with the buyers. If we had five issues each every year for each of us that would be an overestimation. Be glad you aren't a real fortune 500 company business that literally has to take any return of an item, even if used and no package or from the biggest competitor because it is good customer service to take the return. I get ebay has a fee system but the more fees they get the more items you are selling and money you are making. I would much rather have the protection I have with ebay as a seller then risk going through a facebook page where there's just so many scams going on and no recourse other than other members are willing to shame the scammer on their personal facebook page or their family members' pages and you still won't get your money or their end of the trade.
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