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Post by ET had AIDS on Jun 18, 2007 12:53:19 GMT -5
Either way, Cubs fan and sounds like a Bulls fan and you know what you're talking about, so it's all gravy.
Editted my reply a bit, rushed it before. There's my 2 cents on the situation.
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Post by Chicago on Jun 18, 2007 13:02:36 GMT -5
I have faith in John Paxson and the Chicago Bulls organization to not make any stupid moves this offseason, as they did avoid a potential Pau Gasol trade, which would have clearly set Chicago up for failure and a first round elimination (if they even made it) in the playoffs.
No good can come of any team, really, that is willing to send 4 or 5 decent-to-rising stars to another team for one aging superstar.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Jun 18, 2007 13:06:57 GMT -5
Doenst really matter, the Lakers would have to be stooooopid and bowled over to trade him, F him, let him whine and sell your tickets and jerseys. He can leave in 2 years, but you will never get the same value.
He wont be traded, everyone thinks that superstar X will go to the Bulls, but theres a reason why it hasnt happened yet. They wont move Deng and not many people view Gordon and Thomas worthy of a superstar
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Post by Chicago on Jun 18, 2007 13:09:06 GMT -5
Another interesting turn of events,
Portland is considering taking Durant as the number 1 overall pick, over Greg Oden.
Draft is only 10 days away.
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Post by Chicago on Jun 18, 2007 13:11:33 GMT -5
Thomas and Dwight Howard of the Magic have a lot of room for improvement,
but both definetly need to work on a low-post game before next season.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Jun 18, 2007 13:16:02 GMT -5
Yah I think theres a 0% chance that Portland takes Durant.
Howard is an All Star, and will be one for the next 10 years, Thomas needs to get past his immaturity and just play more and he will be fine
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Post by Chicago on Jun 18, 2007 13:25:45 GMT -5
Expectations seem a little too high for Oden and Durant, as I don't think their rookie seasons will live up to everyone's belief that they will be unquestionably dominant as soon as they arrive.
Durant will probably put up big numbers and impress on the stat sheets, but their prospective teams, Portland and Seattle, still aren't as developed as everyone wants them to be. Seattle is in a shithole now trying to build a new arena in that city before the end of next season, so a lot more pressure will be put on either Oden or Durant to save their team and their city, similar to LeBron in Cleveland. I just don't think it will happen.
Sure, one of them will probably leave next season with the Rookie of the Year award, but neither team will make the playoffs right away, as they still have a lot of learning to do on such a big level. I expect both teams to fight for third place in the Northwest next season, as I imagine Minnesota will be nowhere contention as long as things stay the way they are currently.
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Post by ET had AIDS on Jun 18, 2007 15:36:56 GMT -5
Yah I think theres a 0% chance that Portland takes Durant. Howard is an All Star, and will be one for the next 10 years, Thomas needs to get past his immaturity and just play more and he will be fine Yeah, I agree... comparing (at this point, atleast) Tyrus Thomas and Dwight Howard is a little bit different. Dwight Howard is going to be the best center in the league for years to come (already is in my opinion), even though his offensive game still has tons of room to improve. It's just the way it is. Where as Tyrus Thomas still has a LOT to learn, but I think in time he can be an all star too. I agree he needs to play more next season though, and it'll pay dividends. Skiles can't jack him around and play him 35 minutes one night, let him put up 20 points, 10 boards, then send him to the bench for the next 2 weeks. I really don't want to trade him, but if we're not going to let him play, what's the point of keeping him around? He needs to develop more of an inside game, and put on some weight... he's going to be a good ball player though. He's got the skills to do it, there's no question about that... it's all a matter of coaching and devotion, and I think there's enough of both there that it should work out.
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Post by T R W on Jun 18, 2007 15:43:16 GMT -5
Portland needs to trade #1 to Atlanta for Josh Smith, #3, and one of the Williams. Hell, both of them for all I care.
It'll never happen, but the thought alone is boner inducing. Honestly, Billy Knight is probably too dumb to take that trade if they even offered it.
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Post by ET had AIDS on Jun 18, 2007 15:48:39 GMT -5
Also, for the record, the players on the Bulls I'd make available in trade talk would be Hinirch, Nocioni, Duhoh (which will happen regardlessly), and Gordon under the right circumstance.
I like Hinrich, but he's just not very polished a lot of the time and he comes off as a total headcase. And as a point guard, you don't want that. He cost us many games due to boneheaded fouls and plays last year. However, knowing he's our team captain/leader, and that he's pretty much untouchable in the org's eyes when it comes to trading him, I figure that won't happen. But I wouldn't make him off limits.
Nocioni is going to have a great year next year if he's at full strength, and he's a good player, but we've got 2 others that play similar to him (Deng who is superior, and now Thabo who really came into his own at the end of last year). Not to mention Tyrus who shares some traits as well. I'd rather trade Nocioni and let Tyrus get the bulk of the playing time that crosses over, because I figure even if Nocioni stays, it's only going to be for one more year and he's going to be coming off the bench most of the time anyway. And he's good enough to start for most teams.
Duhon's a mess and the city hates him, get him out while he still has some value as a bench player who can drill the 3.
Gordon I've always been mixed on trading, and still am, because almost all of the time last year (sans the playoffs, when it was all Deng, and the few other instances he [Gordon] crapthe bed) he basically carried our team, and was the only person who would score whether it be in the clutch, or just period. He really seemed like our true leader most of the time, not Kirk Hinrich.
I'd deal the #9 pick too coupled with something else, if it would land a low-post pressance, or if it could move up a couple of spots for a higher pick where it would be almost a lock to nab a guy like Jianlian or Horford.
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Post by T R W on Jun 18, 2007 16:05:42 GMT -5
Hmm...looks like Jeff Green is going to go in the draft. That could be good for the Hawks.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Jun 18, 2007 16:25:45 GMT -5
Hinrich is actually the untouchable in all this, Nocioni is a RFA so he might be traded no matter what. Gordon is always mentioned in trades, hes solid, but should not be the centerpiece to a KG/Pierce/Kobe deal, in my opinion.
Essentially its Hinrich and Deng as the untouchables. What the Bulls need ideally, is Mike Conley Jr and push Hinrich over to the 2-guard, Gordon off the bench or dealt
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Post by Chicago on Jun 18, 2007 16:31:30 GMT -5
Chicago has so many options at this point in time that it's ridiculous.
If they're looking to move up in the draft, as many teams are, a swap with Atlanta for their #9 and #3 picks respectively should benefit both teams.
Chicago would give up Duhon and someone else (maybe Thomas?), as well as the number 9 pick for Atlanta's #3 and possibly one of the Williams. Then, Chicago lands Yi and the Hawks are given the number 9 and 11 picks, where two prospects within the range of 8-12 would be theirs for the taking, or the #11 could be used for another trade scenario.
Probably 0% chance of that happening, as Atlanta should keep that #3 pick as long as they can, and either wait for the best offer or go with a quality selection behind Oden/Durant.
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Post by Chicago on Jun 18, 2007 16:38:29 GMT -5
Hinrich is actually the untouchable in all this, Nocioni is a RFA so he might be traded no matter what. Gordon is always mentioned in trades, hes solid, but should not be the centerpiece to a KG/Pierce/Kobe deal, in my opinion. Essentially its Hinrich and Deng as the untouchables. What the Bulls need ideally, is Mike Conley Jr and push Hinrich over to the 2-guard, Gordon off the bench or dealt Yeah, haven't heard a single rumor yet about Chicago sending Hinrich anywhere, so I doubt he would be involved in any possible trade. Deng always seemed to be the untouchable one throughout the season, especially when the Gasol trade rumors fell apart because Chicago refused to include him in any scenario. But, now, if a superstar player comes along like Kobe or KG, it seems him and Gordon are always included. And, besides Duhon, I believe Nocioni is most likely to be included as a piece in any potential trade for Chicago this summer.
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Post by Chicago on Jun 18, 2007 16:41:34 GMT -5
Jeff Green will definetly be a top 11, 12 draft pick for sure.
Chad Ford's last Mock Draft on ESPN had him going 12th to Philadelphia.
If he's still on the board at #11 and Atlanta has the pick, there's no way they can pass on him.
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Post by nyk9327 on Jun 18, 2007 16:48:48 GMT -5
Gordon and Paul Pierce have about the same value these days if you ask me. Pierce being grouped into the same caliber as KG and Kobe is wishful thinking. Pierce is well older than Gordon and hasn't won a damn thing nor can he lead a team.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Jun 18, 2007 17:00:48 GMT -5
Yah that post was just to bait me. We are having a legit discussion here, and you say that. I will provide stats and evidence soon.
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Post by T R W on Jun 18, 2007 17:04:43 GMT -5
Jeff Green will definetly be a top 11, 12 draft pick for sure. Chad Ford's last Mock Draft on ESPN had him going 12th to Philadelphia. If he's still on the board at #11 and Atlanta has the pick, there's no way they can pass on him. I would say they won't, but Billy Knight is a intellectually- disabled person, so you never know. If there is a 6'9" forward available, Billy will take him.
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Post by Chicago on Jun 18, 2007 17:05:02 GMT -5
Speaking of the latest KG-to-Boston rumors, This is what the deal would look like: Boston gets: Kevin Garnett Minnesota gets: Al Jefferson, Gerald Green, Sebastian Telfair, Theo Ratliff and the number 5 pick in this year's Draft. Imagine this explosive Boston starting lineup: PG - Delonte West SG - Paul Pierce SF - Wally Szczerbiak PF - Kevin Garnett C - Kendrick Perkins lol Not to mention, in depth, Wally has no back-up with Green gone, and besides Pierce and KG's scoring, only two other players on the team managed to score in double digits for more than HALF of the season (Wally played 32 games, Allen played 33). And, their losing 35 ppg in everyone being traded away.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Jun 18, 2007 17:07:48 GMT -5
Al Jefferson is an untouchable, Pierce goes before him. The fact that the Celtics would give up:
Their 2 biggest trade chips (#5 pick and Ratliffs expiring contract) Arguably one of 5 best young big men in the game ANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNND Gerald Green who is 20 and still raw for KG.
I am sorry, F that deal.
I'd go Green/West/Gomes/Ratliff/Pick....something along those lines for KG, but F U McHale if you think the other deal would work.
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