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Post by mikey1974 on Mar 6, 2019 20:12:45 GMT -5
You know how to fix this, and I've been collecting for nearly 30 years, so I have some insight into how these situations were dealt with in the past with other lines and companies:
You rerelease the figures to an online retailer as an exclusive to them. RSC comes to mind, obviously. Same figures, maybe change up the packaging, but you give them different paint decos.
Dunne - just invert the colors. Red Tights,black boots, black vest.
Backlund - give him red trunks and kneepads
Sherri - give her a black cloth outfit and wrestling gear with gold accents
...make the packaging different colors or something from the initial releases. This way people still have a chance to actually get versions of these figures while still allowing the original releases to be "special" and retain any value they have.
Jakks used to do it all the time-release "special edition" or chase figures, but they would still find other ways to allow regualr buyers and collectors to obtain the superstars by changing up decos or adding a gimmick (Signature Series anyone?) or such.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2019 21:12:37 GMT -5
It didnt fail. Not at all, the matty collector website was hugely succesful for quite a number of years with the MOTUC line. Had they decided to include a more flexible roster of figures including current talent rather than only flashbacks who's to say it wouldnt have been succesful enough to continue. You dont get it, the only company that is failing is Mattel. Wake up, they arent giving the consumer what they want. Far far from it. You only need to look at the threads talking about the exclusives frustration, how embarassing not to have the UK champions avilable in the UK for example. Its a disaster. How is Mattel failing? Because Harley Race, Pete Dunne and Aleister Black arent sold online? Even if these "scalper bait" exclusives were sold online, they would still sell out quick like they do in the stores. Then what do the people who couldnt buy them complain about? Mattel is “failing” because certain people are unhappy that they can’t get what they want, when they want it. Nevermind that fact that I believe Mattel’s WWE line was the best selling action figure line in either 2017 or 2018. Yup, they’re failing.
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Post by Di-Di-Dis-Distribution Problem on Mar 6, 2019 21:35:30 GMT -5
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Post by Crossfit Jesus on Mar 7, 2019 1:19:29 GMT -5
How is Mattel failing? Because Harley Race, Pete Dunne and Aleister Black arent sold online? Even if these "scalper bait" exclusives were sold online, they would still sell out quick like they do in the stores. Then what do the people who couldnt buy them complain about? Mattel is “failing” because certain people are unhappy that they can’t get what they want, when they want it. Nevermind that fact that I believe Mattel’s WWE line was the best selling action figure line in either 2017 or 2018. Yup, they’re failing. both years actually
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Post by SteveHulk on Mar 7, 2019 4:45:11 GMT -5
I see longtime comic readers drop left and right because of how terrible the market is. Are you talking about rare variant/retailer exclusive covers? That sounds more like people with OCD, or some other neurosis, dropping a bad habit. I enjoy comics, but I don't collect them, and can't imagine ever stopping just because I can't have a physical copy of some butt-ugly variant cover. Similarly, I enjoy action figures, but I'm not gonna suddenly get rid of my entire collection because I can't get a Backlund. I don't give a about Bob Backlund. Cool... but you might feel differently if/when it is a figure you really want and can't find - so your only option is to fork out secondary market/scalper prices or miss out. It seems quite a few people are quitting and selling their collections because they simply can't keep up/find the figures they want.
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Post by Henchmen4Hire on Mar 7, 2019 5:14:27 GMT -5
Are you talking about rare variant/retailer exclusive covers? That sounds more like people with OCD, or some other neurosis, dropping a bad habit. I enjoy comics, but I don't collect them, and can't imagine ever stopping just because I can't have a physical copy of some butt-ugly variant cover. Similarly, I enjoy action figures, but I'm not gonna suddenly get rid of my entire collection because I can't get a Backlund. I don't give a about Bob Backlund. Cool... but you might feel differently if/when it is a figure you really want and can't find - so your only option is to fork out secondary market/scalper prices or miss out. It seems quite a few people are quitting and selling their collections because they simply can't keep up/find the figures they want. There have been plenty of figures across many toylines that I missed and will never get for a reasonable price. I didn't raise my fists to the heavens and swear off figures forever. Maybe there IS a mass exodus from collecting figures, who knows. I doubt it though. I'll go as far as saying that the ever increasing toy retail prices will kill collecting before any such mass quitting of collecting happens. And even then you'll have cherrypickers like me buying, who only collect stuff they like, and make customs of stuff that's impossible to find or doesn't exist.
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Post by SmithyPlayz on Mar 7, 2019 6:45:56 GMT -5
Can I ask, why are some collectors looking at it like "we should have these Target exclusives that no one else can get" rather than "yeah we shouldn't have exclusives." Like what do you collectors have to gain by having these store exclusives? Are you making money off it? Because I'm not sure how anyone can just say "just get someone from the US to ship it to you". Like it just seems like some people feel entitled to have store exclusives.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2019 7:22:25 GMT -5
Can I ask, why are some collectors looking at it like "we should have these Target exclusives that no one else can get" rather than "yeah we shouldn't have exclusives." Like what do you collectors have to gain by having these store exclusives? Are you making money off it? Because I'm not sure how anyone can just say "just get someone from the US to ship it to you". Like it just seems like some people feel entitled to have store exclusives. Why would anyone say “Yeah, we shouldn’t have access to ______”. Such a silly question. Entitlement? Not at all. The figures are at Target. I go to Target, I see them, I buy them. If they were overseas exclusives and they were “too rich for my blood” to get them here, I simply wouldn’t have them... or I’d save up if I wanted it badly enough. The only entitled people are the ones with the attitude that since they can have it, nobody should.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2019 7:30:08 GMT -5
Can I ask, why are some collectors looking at it like "we should have these Target exclusives that no one else can get" rather than "yeah we shouldn't have exclusives." Like what do you collectors have to gain by having these store exclusives? Are you making money off it? Because I'm not sure how anyone can just say "just get someone from the US to ship it to you". Like it just seems like some people feel entitled to have store exclusives. Having exclusives that not everyone can get improves my collection if I have them
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Post by dylan on Mar 7, 2019 7:36:40 GMT -5
The year is 2020. All 6 elites in a series are made store exclusives. The only way to complete the sets are to check walmart, target, walgreens, gamestop, hardees, and 7/11
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Post by SmithyPlayz on Mar 7, 2019 7:56:30 GMT -5
Can I ask, why are some collectors looking at it like "we should have these Target exclusives that no one else can get" rather than "yeah we shouldn't have exclusives." Like what do you collectors have to gain by having these store exclusives? Are you making money off it? Because I'm not sure how anyone can just say "just get someone from the US to ship it to you". Like it just seems like some people feel entitled to have store exclusives. Why would anyone say “Yeah, we shouldn’t have access to ______”. Such a silly question. Entitlement? Not at all. The figures are at Target. I go to Target, I see them, I buy them. If they were overseas exclusives and they were “too rich for my blood” to get them here, I simply wouldn’t have them... or I’d save up if I wanted it badly enough. The only entitled people are the ones with the attitude that since they can have it, nobody should. I'm just curious by some of the replies that's all. It just sounds like UK collectors should get on with it rather than moaning. I mean it used to be like 3-4 figures that were exclusives which was no problem if you wanted them you go and buy them if not you wait but over the past 2 years we have missed a fair few figures and from the main series just because it's been almost impossible to get.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2019 8:01:48 GMT -5
Why would anyone say “Yeah, we shouldn’t have access to ______”. Such a silly question. Entitlement? Not at all. The figures are at Target. I go to Target, I see them, I buy them. If they were overseas exclusives and they were “too rich for my blood” to get them here, I simply wouldn’t have them... or I’d save up if I wanted it badly enough. The only entitled people are the ones with the attitude that since they can have it, nobody should. I'm just curious by some of the replies that's all. It just sounds like UK collectors should get on with it rather than moaning. I mean it used to be like 3-4 figures that were exclusives which was no problem if you wanted them you go and buy them if not you wait but over the past 2 years we have missed a fair few figures and from the main series just because it's been almost impossible to get. What figures, besides Dunne did you miss from the main line?
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Post by HandsomeHollywood on Mar 7, 2019 8:25:55 GMT -5
I'm just curious by some of the replies that's all. It just sounds like UK collectors should get on with it rather than moaning. I mean it used to be like 3-4 figures that were exclusives which was no problem if you wanted them you go and buy them if not you wait but over the past 2 years we have missed a fair few figures and from the main series just because it's been almost impossible to get. What figures, besides Dunne did you miss from the main line? I'll chime in here. As an international collector, this exclusive mess is very similar to the main line for us, except not as bad. Once Mattel took over the license all of a sudden WWE sections in Canada stores dried up. I heard it had something to do with Mattel not wanting to put French on the packaging (bilingual country laws) but never got confirmation. As a result we missed series's 7-31. Pretty much a few years of not collecting. It was costing me $50 a figure roughly, regardless of perceived value or rareness. It wasn't until when Target showed up I started seeing E32. Then Target bailed. During all this there was no way to get any information on the subject. No idea if we were getting or not getting even main line series'. Got the odd basic set but never anything consistent. Mattel had no answers, retailers had no answers. I almost quit outright after 25 years of collecting (never having an issue before Mattel) when all of a sudden we started getting main lines again. Even then, it's still inconsistent at best. EDIT: forgot to mention that when we were getting series 1-6 at first, it was only certain figures. Series 6 for instance saw us get Batista and Punk. The backs of the packaging even only featured those 2 figures.
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Post by SmithyPlayz on Mar 7, 2019 8:34:33 GMT -5
I'm just curious by some of the replies that's all. It just sounds like UK collectors should get on with it rather than moaning. I mean it used to be like 3-4 figures that were exclusives which was no problem if you wanted them you go and buy them if not you wait but over the past 2 years we have missed a fair few figures and from the main series just because it's been almost impossible to get. What figures, besides Dunne did you miss from the main line? I hope some other people can chip in because I'm not 100% sure but if we're just talking about stores like Smyths and The Entertainer, we've missed Dunne, Mickie James elite, Elias elite (although I do think some stores got that in eventually but Smyths didn't), Smyths I don't believe we ever got Elite 62, Elite 63 or Elite 64 in but do have Elite 65 and 66 listed with Elite 65 missing Eric Young. Again I hope people can clarify or maybe add or minus from this list.
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Post by juicexct on Mar 7, 2019 8:35:18 GMT -5
Can I ask, why are some collectors looking at it like "we should have these Target exclusives that no one else can get" rather than "yeah we shouldn't have exclusives." Like what do you collectors have to gain by having these store exclusives? Are you making money off it? Because I'm not sure how anyone can just say "just get someone from the US to ship it to you". Like it just seems like some people feel entitled to have store exclusives. I think people are more in favor of having exclusives rather than having exclusives that nobody else can get. Most of these figures that are exclusives wouldn’t get made if they weren’t a limited run. Some, not all, wouldn’t be made at all if they had to be in the main line with a higher print run. NXT is a niche market. And NXT action figures have an even smaller audience than the brand itself. This message board is for wrestling figure collectors. This is a very small percentage of everyone who is purchasing wrestling action figures. It is a vocal majority but the purchasing minority.
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Post by HandsomeHollywood on Mar 7, 2019 8:40:17 GMT -5
I see longtime comic readers drop left and right because of how terrible the market is. Are you talking about rare variant/retailer exclusive covers? That sounds more like people with OCD, or some other neurosis, dropping a bad habit. I enjoy comics, but I don't collect them, and can't imagine ever stopping just because I can't have a physical copy of some butt-ugly variant cover. Similarly, I enjoy action figures, but I'm not gonna suddenly get rid of my entire collection because I can't get a Backlund. I don't give a about Bob Backlund. Unnecessary shots at Mr. Backlund. MIND YOUR P'S AND Q'S YOUNG MAN!
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Post by Edge Sangral on Mar 7, 2019 8:48:00 GMT -5
Can I ask, why are some collectors looking at it like "we should have these Target exclusives that no one else can get" rather than "yeah we shouldn't have exclusives." Like what do you collectors have to gain by having these store exclusives? Are you making money off it? Because I'm not sure how anyone can just say "just get someone from the US to ship it to you". Like it just seems like some people feel entitled to have store exclusives. Having exclusives that not everyone can get improves my collection if I have them
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Mar 7, 2019 9:01:02 GMT -5
Can I ask, why are some collectors looking at it like "we should have these Target exclusives that no one else can get" rather than "yeah we shouldn't have exclusives." Like what do you collectors have to gain by having these store exclusives? Are you making money off it? Because I'm not sure how anyone can just say "just get someone from the US to ship it to you". Like it just seems like some people feel entitled to have store exclusives. Because without exclusives these figures would not exist. It’s that simple. Exclusives go away then that’s 6 spots for about 8-10 series a year. So 60 figures max. Those spots mainly get taken up by Braun, Roman, AJ, Seth, Dean, Jeff, Matt, Shinsuke, etc. There’s little room for NXT, 205ers, Women, Legends, and lower card talent. Yeah some get worked into the lineup but most they’re not going to be able to find spots for. As popular as you may think Pete Dunne is, he’s still a wrestler on their 5th brand that most of the WWE Universe never even heard of. He’s not getting made until he comes up to the main roster if not for exclusives allowing them to make a smaller production run of him. Same with Legends they feel are too niche. We’d never get a Backlund or Sherri figure if they weren’t exclusives. Thinking that if exclusives suddenly go away that these figures will be mass produced and inserted into the main line is a fantasy. If exclusives go away, then so do these types of figures.
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Post by SmithyPlayz on Mar 7, 2019 9:15:25 GMT -5
Can I ask, why are some collectors looking at it like "we should have these Target exclusives that no one else can get" rather than "yeah we shouldn't have exclusives." Like what do you collectors have to gain by having these store exclusives? Are you making money off it? Because I'm not sure how anyone can just say "just get someone from the US to ship it to you". Like it just seems like some people feel entitled to have store exclusives. Because without exclusives these figures would not exist. It’s that simple. Exclusives go away then that’s 6 spots for about 8-10 series a year. So 60 figures max. Those spots mainly get taken up by Braun, Roman, AJ, Seth, Dean, Jeff, Matt, Shinsuke, etc. There’s little room for NXT, 205ers, Women, Legends, and lower card talent. Yeah some get worked into the lineup but most they’re not going to be able to find spots for. As popular as you may think Pete Dunne is, he’s still a wrestler on their 5th brand that most of the WWE Universe never even heard of. He’s not getting made until he comes up to the main roster if not for exclusives allowing them to make a smaller production run of him. Same with Legends they feel are too niche. We’d never get a Backlund or Sherri figure if they weren’t exclusives. Thinking that if exclusives suddenly go away that these figures will be mass produced and inserted into the main line is a fantasy. If exclusives go away, then so do these types of figures. I mean I do agree with legends and stuff being exclusive, yeah you're right about Dunne as well but I'd rather have Dunne than a Berzerker. Like I'm not saying scrap exclusives, even if they said "this series will come to Smyths or Argos or even Asda if they ever wanted to do bigger figures". But stuff like Liv Morgan would sell, I'm not sure how well American Alpha elites sold here but it would be nice to know. Like I always think current stars should be in series and flashbacks as exclusives. Back in the day people said "wait for his Elite" but then we've never got a Curtis Axel elite since his BAF even though it did come to the UK, Slater only has 2 elites. I think if they said "we're doing another Dunne or another Morgan" then sure we wait for the next one but who knows.
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Post by poindizzle on Mar 7, 2019 10:50:21 GMT -5
I have met a great many POP collector over the years. A lot were stressed out and unhappy and eventually burned out. I never collected POPs so I had no idea but I think I'm starting to get it.
This topic gets brought up numerous times a week and the same five people defend Daddy Mattel to the death. I'm posting less and less these days and I went from a Mattel addict to a casual buyer. This ain't fun anymore.
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