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Post by Mongo Bears on Apr 10, 2019 13:46:24 GMT -5
I don't disagree. But they know new belts will sell figures, and at this point the WCW belts are so long overdue that they could package them with a dog turd and it would still sell. Rey or Goldberg are high demand figures that will sell on their own. I'm not a fan of the strategy, but Mattel seems to have a pretty clear pattern at this point. That Goldberg doesn’t seem to be moving at all at retail. $32 is a lot to ask for a plain figure, a belt, and a music box no one cares about. A 2nd belt woulda made it a lot more enticing. I’m sure a lot of us woulda bought multiples just for the US belt. Exactly. I want the figure but I’m not paying that much for that little because I don’t care about the music box, the belt it came with, or the packaging. If it came with the wcw us title belt I would’ve bought it by now |
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Post by Chip on Apr 10, 2019 14:12:26 GMT -5
im kind of tired of the narrative of if we want these target & walmart store exclusives we should either drive around to 20 stores a week and hope we can beat a scalper to it, or pay $100 for it on ebay and thats somehow "fun" or "just part of the hobby"
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Post by Chip on Apr 10, 2019 14:16:07 GMT -5
also its pretty clear now that mattel is being essentially held hostage by Target & Walmart because they are fighting to keep business, and they are the only real games left in town. Barnes & Noble is getting more into the toy game, but like Gamestop those aren't reliable places to sell. so at this point our "anger" should really be directed at Big Retail who gives zero  s about any kind of "collector" and is just trying to get people in their stores. their decisions are being made by board room suits who have zero clue or care about any kind of wrestling figure then just look at charts and numbers all day. so they see the dollars from mattel dropping, they start cutting their sections down and they say "what can you give us" its sad but that is the world we live in now |
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Post by Chip on Apr 10, 2019 14:17:57 GMT -5
and also i know he would never tell us but i really want to know WHY it takes a ing YEAR to get a figure out. that's a long time a really long time, when almost everything they use is "recycled" besides the heads. ive just always been curious about the actual process from conception to design to production to shipment. |
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Post by Chip on Apr 10, 2019 14:24:16 GMT -5
i liked the explanation of what "top talent" actually is....its kind of like those Best of ___ Series from the early days of the line. Basically keeping big names on the shelves which explains why there are so many in every store.
the problem with it is that most targets have like 2 pegs for Elites and "Top Talent" are taking up all that space. im fine with these guys wanting figures of the best sellers, it makes sense...but then there should be designated space for them so that they arent taking away from the rest of the options which at the moment, they are.
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Post by theicwguy on Apr 10, 2019 14:45:02 GMT -5
and also i know he would never tell us but i really want to know WHY it takes a ing YEAR to get a figure out. that's a long time a really long time, when almost everything they use is "recycled" besides the heads. ive just always been curious about the actual process from conception to design to production to shipment. Mattel make no sense at times as you said - a year to release something that 90% of the time (at least) has no new tooling and then waiting a year for the grand reveal only to be bitterly disappointed by appalling parts choices and a scale that's all ed to hell. |
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Post by LK3 on Apr 10, 2019 14:55:15 GMT -5
Plus: "Alicia Fox" and "Legend"... not words I think should ever be put together. She is, whether you like her or not, a legend by definition And what is that definition? Having a lengthy career doesn’t qualify one for being a legend. |
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Post by Artie Kendall on Apr 10, 2019 15:03:19 GMT -5
There’s been recent opportunities to use WCW belts so not being able to find a spot is a BS excuse. EG Goldberg was a plain figure with zero deco. They coulda easily thrown in a US belt along with the big gold belt and still been within budget. E67 Rey coulda came with the cruiserweight E62 Sting wasn’t a champ so if they were going to give him a random belt then they coulda given him the US or 91 world belt. I don't disagree. But they know new belts will sell figures, and at this point the WCW belts are so long overdue that they could package them with a dog turd and it would still sell. Rey or Goldberg are high demand figures that will sell on their own. I'm not a fan of the strategy, but Mattel seems to have a pretty clear pattern at this point. This is a rule they will have to break when it comes to the WCW US Title. If you look at the title holders between 1989-2001, most of the guys on this list don't need a title to move or they don't have the rights to: Lex Luger Michael Hayes Stan Hansen Sting Rick Rude Dustin Rhodes Stunning Steve Austin Ricky Steamboat Jim Duggan Vader Kensuke Sasaki One Man Gang Konnan Ric Flair Eddie Guerrero Dean Malenko Jeff Jarrett Curt Henning DDP Raven Goldberg Bret Hart Roddy Piper Scott Hall Chris Benoit Scott Steiner David Flair Sid Lance Storm Terry Funk General Rection Shane Douglas Rick Steiner Booker T If you subtract the guys that have recently gotten elite releases(to where they wouldn't warrant a rerelease), or would in no way need a title to move or we know aren't under deals and are no way of getting made I think the list looks like this: Lux Luger (Sorry Lex, you still my boy) Michael Hayes Dean Malenko Lance Storm Sid Terry Funk And I agree with the Goldberg thing. I hate Goldberg. I rate him as one of the worst wrestlers of all time. But had he been released with the US title, I would have bought it just for the title. |
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Post by BaLoR RoLLiNS on Apr 10, 2019 15:09:01 GMT -5
With EC3 being an elite I'm curious what he will come with
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Post by Edge Sangral on Apr 10, 2019 15:13:34 GMT -5
She is, whether you like her or not, a legend by definition And what is that definition? Having a lengthy career doesn’t qualify one for being a legend. If over 10 year veteran isn't enough for you, she's also the first and only African American Divas Champion. Which would be a great opportunity to give us the Divas Championship one more time by the way, wink wink, Mattel. |
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Post by LK3 on Apr 10, 2019 15:21:49 GMT -5
And what is that definition? Having a lengthy career doesn’t qualify one for being a legend. If over 10 year veteran isn't enough for you, she's also the first and only African American Divas Champion. Which would be a great opportunity to give us the Divas Championship one more time by the way, wink wink, Mattel. That’s exactly what she is, a 10 year veteran. Randy Savage is a legend. The Rock is a legend. John Cena is a legend. Alicia Fox is not a legend. Is Heath Slater a legend too? |
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Post by Crossfit Jesus on Apr 10, 2019 15:29:43 GMT -5
If over 10 year veteran isn't enough for you, she's also the first and only African American Divas Champion. Which would be a great opportunity to give us the Divas Championship one more time by the way, wink wink, Mattel. That’s exactly what she is, a 10 year veteran. Randy Savage is a legend. The Rock is a legend. John Cena is a legend. Alicia Fox is not a legend. Is Heath Slater a legend too? i guess curt jawkins and zack Ryder are legends based on that criteria |
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Post by stc13 on Apr 10, 2019 15:44:27 GMT -5
also its pretty clear now that mattel is being essentially held hostage by Target & Walmart because they are fighting to keep business, and they are the only real games left in town. Barnes & Noble is getting more into the toy game, but like Gamestop those aren't reliable places to sell. so at this point our "anger" should really be directed at Big Retail who gives zero s about any kind of "collector" and is just trying to get people in their stores. their decisions are being made by board room suits who have zero clue or care about any kind of wrestling figure then just look at charts and numbers all day. so they see the dollars from mattel dropping, they start cutting their sections down and they say "what can you give us" its sad but that is the world we live in now They clearly have Mattel by the crown jewels. To me the most telling thing is that it wasn't that long ago that Bill was saying that they want to keep figures affordable and available, which was the logic for repaints and rereleases of figures that were spiking on the secondary market. Now it's "sometimes you just have to pay absurd prices or drive around to find something you want." The exclusives and chases honestly don't bother me that much. But I think Mattel is playing the short game, appeasing retailers in hopes of boosting orders in the immediate future without really considering the potential longterm impact of angering or driving away their collector base and losing sales longterm. I have no intention of slowing down or quitting. But satisfying retail partners at the expense of end-user consumers doesn't look like sound business from where I sit. |
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Post by Vitor Reis on Apr 10, 2019 15:44:49 GMT -5
With EC3 being an elite I'm curious what he will come with A mirror? |
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Post by stc13 on Apr 10, 2019 15:49:27 GMT -5
If over 10 year veteran isn't enough for you, she's also the first and only African American Divas Champion. Which would be a great opportunity to give us the Divas Championship one more time by the way, wink wink, Mattel. That’s exactly what she is, a 10 year veteran. Randy Savage is a legend. The Rock is a legend. John Cena is a legend. Alicia Fox is not a legend. Is Heath Slater a legend too? By that definition, you could argue that Steve Lombardi, Bob Holly, Ryder, or Barry Horowitz are legends too. Just keeping a job doesn't make you a legend. It makes you employed. |
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Post by stc13 on Apr 10, 2019 15:56:02 GMT -5
I don't disagree. But they know new belts will sell figures, and at this point the WCW belts are so long overdue that they could package them with a dog turd and it would still sell. Rey or Goldberg are high demand figures that will sell on their own. I'm not a fan of the strategy, but Mattel seems to have a pretty clear pattern at this point. If you subtract the guys that have recently gotten elite releases(to where they wouldn't warrant a rerelease), or would in no way need a title to move or we know aren't under deals and are no way of getting made I think the list looks like this: Lux Luger (Sorry Lex, you still my boy) Michael Hayes Dean Malenko Lance Storm Sid Terry Funk And I agree with the Goldberg thing. I hate Goldberg. I rate him as one of the worst wrestlers of all time. But had he been released with the US title, I would have bought it just for the title. I was actually just looking at that list. To me it's the perfect way to make The Natural Dustin Rhodes or early Luger. Plain figures, almost no deco, some collector demand without huge mainstream appeal. But maybe I'm bias because either of those figures are high on my want list, belt or no belt. |
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Post by LK3 on Apr 10, 2019 16:22:34 GMT -5
That’s exactly what she is, a 10 year veteran. Randy Savage is a legend. The Rock is a legend. John Cena is a legend. Alicia Fox is not a legend. Is Heath Slater a legend too? i guess curt jawkins and zack Ryder are legends based on that criteria They are much more legends than Alicia Fox lol |
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Post by kennyw86v2 on Apr 10, 2019 16:56:05 GMT -5
If over 10 year veteran isn't enough for you, she's also the first and only African American Divas Champion. Which would be a great opportunity to give us the Divas Championship one more time by the way, wink wink, Mattel. That’s exactly what she is, a 10 year veteran. Randy Savage is a legend. The Rock is a legend. John Cena is a legend. Alicia Fox is not a legend. Is Heath Slater a legend too? If berserker counted as a legend, I'm fine with calling foxy a legend. |
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Post by Xæro #FakeCollector on Apr 10, 2019 17:08:33 GMT -5
and also i know he would never tell us but i really want to know WHY it takes a ing YEAR to get a figure out. that's a long time a really long time, when almost everything they use is "recycled" besides the heads. ive just always been curious about the actual process from conception to design to production to shipment. Mattel make no sense at times as you said - a year to release something that 90% of the time (at least) has no new tooling and then waiting a year for the grand reveal only to be bitterly disappointed by appalling parts choices and a scale that's all ed to hell.They've almost gone full Jakks. |
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Post by Medieval on Apr 10, 2019 17:40:42 GMT -5
With EC3 being an elite I'm curious what he will come with A shovel. Seems appropriate.  |
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