The Golden Gimmick
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...but brother, I am bad. And they know I’m bad.
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Post by The Golden Gimmick on Mar 11, 2019 17:17:32 GMT -5
We've been in The Man era for a few months now, and I'm still failing to see the appeal, if there is any?
I get that they're trying their best to build Lynch up, but storyline wise... peeeew this stinks
She seems as force fed to us as any of the other latest main event fixtures, but with even more terrible booking logic behind her. (is that even possible!?) The internet crowd doesn't seem to mind as much as they did with Roman.
Let's take the Royal Rumble, for example:
• Becky is awarded a women's title match vs. Asuka. • Becky taps out. • She's later awarded the #30 spot in the Royal Rumble (technically #28, but she didn't enter until dead last.) • Illegally eliminates Nia Jax from the outside, which is somehow ok?
• Gets attacked for it. Becomes injured. Manages to sell the wrong leg injury.
• Enters the ring finally. Eliminates 1 person who had been in the ring for almost an hour.
• Wins. Hero. Crowd celebrates. • Shows up to RAW the night after to challenge an even more experienced submission expert than the previous one who just made her tap out.
Huh? The logic is missing. Hey it is wrestling after all, but c'mon. This is the best a room full of highly paid writers can come up with?
Then WWE does the screwy health suspension, reinstatement, triple threat garbage we were so privileged enough to see culminate last night. Why would the Royal Rumble winner have to fight for their spot back? Why wouldn't Becky seek revenge on 1) The person who made her tap out or 2) The person who injured her?
They've disregarded Asuka, Nia Jax, the Royal Rumble, the brand split and the biggest marquee women's match of all time (Rousey vs. Flair) to facilitate this lame push, all in the name of "pleasing the fans." They've turned Rousey semi-heel in the process, and it's pretty embarrassing to see. Almost as embarrassing as seeing Becky hobble on those crutches.
From a kayfabe perspective, Lynch is all bark and zero bite. No notable wins. An invasion angle that ended in her getting potatoed for real, and a tap out loss on a major PPV... but man, can she tweet!
The Austin comparisons seem waaayyy off. I don't remember WWE ever needing to pass out Stone Cold signs before a show...
What's appealing about that? Is Becky the glorified flavor of the week she appears to be, or am I missing something? Has WWE creative dropped the ball, yet again?
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Post by Bandalero on Mar 11, 2019 17:25:03 GMT -5
wow, now THAT'S perspective... As marino13 once said, Becky is what I think angels look like in heaven; but everything about her "organic" growth feels like the WWE marketing machine just gobbled her up and spit her out.
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Post by rkfastmo on Mar 11, 2019 17:29:35 GMT -5
Whatever happy accidents occur in the WWE world die once Creative is put in charge of them.
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banthafett
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Post by banthafett on Mar 11, 2019 17:30:22 GMT -5
We've been in The Man era for a few months now, and I'm still failing to see the appeal, if there is any? I get that they're trying their best to build Lynch up, but storyline wise... peeeew this stinks
She seems as force fed to us as any of the other latest main event fixtures, but with even more terrible booking logic behind her. (is that even possible!?) The internet crowd doesn't seem to mind as much as they did with Roman.
Let's take the Royal Rumble, for example: • Becky is awarded a women's title match vs. Asuka. • Becky taps out. • She's later awarded the #30 spot in the Royal Rumble (technically #28, but she didn't enter until dead last.) • Illegally eliminates Nia Jax from the outside, which is somehow ok?
• Gets attacked for it. Becomes injured. Manages to sell the wrong leg injury.
• Enters the ring finally. Eliminates 1 person who had been in the ring for almost an hour.
• Wins. Hero. Crowd celebrates. • Shows up to RAW the night after to challenge an even more experienced submission expert than the previous one who just made her tap out.
Huh? The logic is missing. Hey it is wrestling after all, but c'mon. This is the best a room full of highly paid writers can come up with?
Then WWE does the screwy health suspension, reinstatement, triple threat garbage we were so privileged enough to see culminate last night. Why would the Royal Rumble winner have to fight for their spot back? Why wouldn't Becky seek revenge on 1) The person who made her tap out or 2) The person who injured her?
They've disregarded Asuka, Nia Jax, the Royal Rumble, the brand split and the biggest marquee women's match of all time (Rousey vs. Flair) to facilitate this lame push, all in the name of "pleasing the fans." They've turned Rousey semi-heel in the process, and it's pretty embarrassing to see. Almost as embarrassing as seeing Becky hobble on those crutches.
From a kayfabe perspective, Lynch is all bark and zero bite. No notable wins. An invasion angle that ended in her getting potatoed for real, and a tap out loss on a major PPV... but man, can she tweet!
The Austin comparisons seem waaayyy off. I don't remember WWE ever needing to pass out Stone Cold signs before a show...
What's appealing about that? Is Becky the glorified flavor of the week she appears to be, or am I missing something? Has WWE creative dropped the ball, yet again?
I agree with everything. I hate the SCSA comparisons. Him being a badass was believable because all his gimmicks were badasses even before he became SC. Becky has been a dancing idiot, tea time, goof, nice gal. So this 360 spin is not a sell for me.
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Post by POOR-ly Cuyler on Mar 11, 2019 17:30:41 GMT -5
You don’t have to get it. You listed several things that have sold more people on her than soured.
It’s pro wrestling. It’s subjective. People love Alexa Bliss, I love Bayley, some people love Becky, some people like them all. Some people couldn’t care less.
Her getting “potatoed” was what sold me on her main event status. Her taking on all of Raw and standing tall with that color on her face. I couldn’t care less about Twitter. Tyler Breeze making fun of Ronda was funny though.
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Post by bababooey on Mar 11, 2019 17:32:19 GMT -5
I still see Becky’s appeal. Her huge rise was organic. The only problem is WWE noticed it happening and started to force it.
The logic in this storyline is full of holes, but it could have been amazing if WWE had just let it be.
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Post by BoJack Hogan on Mar 11, 2019 17:55:35 GMT -5
It won't last forever. Fans are fickle, fickle, fickle. Its like a bizarro Austin scenario. Instead of an intentional double turn we get a failed heel turn that managed to turn Charlotte heel in the process. It's understandable, as I don't see the appeal of Charlotte as anything other than a heel (every wooo is cringeworthy, just stop). She's clearly the chosen one. That's how this all happened. Becky, for all intents and purposes, was kind of getting screwed or passed over. The blind could see it...
And therein lies the problem with this cluster of a storyline, the real, honest overlooking has become the most ridiculous, back assward screwjob storyline ever that if we didn't know better was made to kill Becky off altogether. This is honestly some of the worst main event booking since WCW. Worse yet, they're doing the same storyline with Kofi, only they're doing it much better(in spite of last night's sacrifice of Mustafa Ali). I thought, from a storyline perspective, last night's show was a dumpster fire. They couldn't have made Becky look like more of a schmuck if they made her go out there with toilet paper on her shoe.
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Post by TheChamp420 on Mar 11, 2019 18:13:24 GMT -5
I can’t stand the crutches
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Post by Kanenite on Mar 11, 2019 18:24:51 GMT -5
I always loved her and things started out great for her whole Man gimmick and everyone involved, but once they over booked the hell out of everything after the Royal Rumble it has turned into a cluster.
Charlotte shouldn't be involved in Becky/Rousey, she should be facing Asuka for the SD Women's title so all 4 top Women would be split in two singles title matches. The crutch angle lost all it's steam, and the suspension angle was stupid. They ruined all it's momentum. All they can achieve now is having a good match and a WM moment if Becky can win but it would mean so much more if the storytelling wasn't so ridiculously bad.
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Mar 11, 2019 18:29:42 GMT -5
The fans created Becky The Man. She's not like Charlotte or Rousey who the WWE wanted to lead the women's division. If the audiences didn't react the way they have from Summerslam she would currently be a heel on Smackdown.
Also You can hardly blame the fans either for supporting her. She's badass, likeable and has an aura that none of the other wrestlers have. I would also add that everything the WWE has given her she has sold with perfection, Her work with the Authority, Cena, Rousey etc had been gold and if she can get an entire arena to chant her name then it's job well done.
Now I admit that the storyline has been poor and could've been booked much better. For example Charlotte should be nowhere near the match and it has turned it into a cluster.
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Mar 11, 2019 18:54:25 GMT -5
I am not sure what fans expect anymore??
So far the story line of Becky vs. Ronda has been a continuous thing since before Survivor Series.
Adding Charlotte into the mix doesn't really matter either. There is a history between Charlotte and Becky, a history between Charlotte and Ronda, and a history between Becky and Ronda.
I stopped critiquing what the WWE does, and you know what?? I actually enjoy the product a lot more now that I have done that. So come Wrestlemania, I will be excited to see these three go at it for the Raw Women's Title.
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Post by RybackV1 on Mar 11, 2019 19:19:08 GMT -5
The stupid Knee injury with the crutch has ruined all momentum. Hope they come back from it in the next month
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Post by ahunter8056 on Mar 11, 2019 21:34:49 GMT -5
It's a real shame that you're not able to engage with Becky Lynch. Honestly, while creative have really botched this storyline as of late, that blame falls on creative. Not Becky Lynch. And even then, it's not so bad that it's become ruined. I'm not going to address every single point you made, but I've got a couple of things to retort:
There's no such thing as an "illegal elimination" in a Royal Rumble match. The rules are simply that a competitor is tossed over the top rope, with both feet landing on the floor. Doesn't matter how it is achieved, just that it happens. Is it unfair in the context of kayfabe if a competitor is eliminated by someone who shouldn't be there? Yes. But illegal? No. Furthermore, from a storyline perspective, Becky Lynch's actions were not completely unwarranted. In kayfabe terms, Nia Jax is the one who broke her face and took away her biggest match to date on one of the biggest shows of the year, and then repeatedly ran her mouth about it. Could anyone blame Becky Lynch for wanting to make sure that Nia didn't end up winning?
It doesn't matter that Charlotte had been in the match for a long time. She was still playing the role of cocky, sadistic, physically larger heel acting as a roadblock in Becky's path. All those attributes made Becky the underdog, fighting on one leg and not giving up. One of the key defining roles of a babyfaces is to be perseverant.
Biggest marquee women's match of all time is Charlotte VS Ronda Rousey? No. And all of the crowds wholeheartedly chanting for Becky throughout all that's gone on the past few months don't think so either. We already saw Charlotte VS Ronda at Survivor Series. We never got to see Becky VS Ronda. It doesn't matter that you aren't personally invested in Becky Lynch. You don't have to feel personally attached to realise that Becky Lynch has been the most popular superstar in the company for the past few months. Crowds have gone crazy for her, and hellbent on chanting for her even when she wasn't there. Becky Lynch is a big star, whether you like it or not.
Lynch is "all bark and no bite"? Did you watch Hell in a Cell? Evolution? She dominated Charlotte Flair, causing Charlotte to pretty much lose her mind and switch back to a sadistic, arrogant heel. In 2018 she had quite a long winning streak on SmackDown Live before Summerslam. Just because they've made booking mishaps in the past when it comes to Lynch, doesn't mean that she doesn't deserve to get big wins going forward. And are you seriously going to cite Lynch's real life injury during the invasion as her looking weak? That's the moment that people really grabbed onto for her looking strong! Standing tall grinning with her face covered in blood, that image went all around Twitter and really made people pay attention. That can't possibly be regarded as a low point.
I think fans disagreeing with the Austin comparisons are pretty much rendered obsolete when the man himself agrees. Austin has stated recently that he agrees with the comparisons people have made between himself and Becky.
People love Becky Lynch because she's engaging, and right now she's just badass. She refuses to ever give up, and makes no apologies, nor holds back on her words. She has a history of putting on great performances and creating show-stealing matches. She's been very funny in promos in the past, and has always came across as 100% genuine. And let's be honest, who doesn't love puns?
The bottom line is that Becky Lynch connects with audiences and resonates with people. That's why they're pushing her so hard (while making questionable creative choices along the way). That's what pro wrestling is all about. You don't have to like it, but you have to respect the fact that she's incredibly popular with the fans right now.
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Post by WalterF on Mar 12, 2019 0:13:04 GMT -5
Becky is amazing and her rise was organic; as they often do, wwe overcomplicated it and the knee injury aspect was completely unneeded. Becky vs Ronda had an organic big fight feel, they should have simply built off that and made it seem as epic as possible
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Post by Darkhawk on Mar 12, 2019 0:44:53 GMT -5
I agree with most people, the knee injury was not needed to try and build up Becky Lynch more. She could have eliminated Charlotte without the injury and it would have still been fine. The knee injury is definitely killing it for me and I hope she doesn't wrestle at Wrestlemania with it still.
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Post by ¡Twist Of Cinnamon! on Mar 12, 2019 4:47:06 GMT -5
I've wondered about how she's believable against Rousey when she lost to Asuka as well.
But as I've often thought, its just best not to use logic in wrestling.
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Sting
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Post by Sting on Mar 12, 2019 6:42:09 GMT -5
I can’t stand the crutches They are really annoying for me too.
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Post by King Richius on Mar 12, 2019 6:46:20 GMT -5
I can’t stand the crutches They are really annoying for me too. I've never liked fake injury angles. We all know if she was really hurt she wouldn't be cleared for matches. The only thing the injury angle has done is give us one of the most boring Becky/Charlotte PPV matches in a LONG time. Other than that, I'm all aboard for the Becky hype train even if it is a female version of Attitude Era SCSA.
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Post by blissfan4life on Mar 12, 2019 6:47:12 GMT -5
Becky is over, She's damn talented in the ring, Sure the story hasn't been always good at times but she has still managed to stay over as hell. I highly doubt she's just a flavor of the month, she's always been over.
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Post by 5th Horsewoman on Mar 12, 2019 8:12:17 GMT -5
Nah i don't turn on people i'm a fan of just cause their doing what the boss says.
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