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Post by LA Times on Mar 21, 2019 7:56:11 GMT -5
lol I always love the people freaking out with the "I dont want them to lose their job"...Like they're going to go from making $150k/yr to flipping cheeseburgers for $8/hr Someone like Dolph Ziggler makes $1.5mil/year. If he gets fired and then struggles for money, that's his own damn fault. And dont give me the "Well not everyone makes that much" argument. The least paid male performer, according to Forbes, still makes $250k/yr and most of those guys, if released, could still make bank on the Indies. Welcome to the real world where you dont get what you want. Life sucks...and then you die. Lol ignorance. First of all, Ziggler does not make 1.5mil per year. If he did he’d make the top 10 list of earners in the company, which he didn’t. Second of all, I don’t think you realize how much these wrestlers have to spend while they’re on the road. WWE doesn’t cover any of those travel expenses. Not a dime. You’re talking hotel, flights, rental cars, meals. I think someone was quoted into saying that they spend anywhere from 50k-100k on flights alone. That’s not including the rental cars and other travel expenses. So do that math genius. If ideally you’re the least paid performer on the roster, how much money do you really take home after travel expenses? Probably less than half of your pay. why do you think Midcard talents from the last 20 years are still working to this day? The pay ain’t all that great unless you’re on that upper card. Everyone is scratching to get there. So do some more homework before you start spitting out your opinions as facts. You are talking to a wall. People here think zack Ryder is rich FFS
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Post by blissfan4life on Mar 21, 2019 8:48:22 GMT -5
Certainly Not Alicia Fox, who's a decent solid hand in the ring, or Braun. Nattie I wouldnt' fire either. The Women's division could use more veterans.
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Post by TheSystem 1.5 on Mar 21, 2019 9:40:32 GMT -5
Certainly Not Alicia Fox, who's a decent solid hand in the ring, or Braun. Nattie I wouldnt' fire either. The Women's division could use more veterans.
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Post by BoJack Hogan on Mar 21, 2019 11:56:07 GMT -5
A lot of low-level analysts here spouting wisdom like (insert name here) sucks, dead weight...based on what? You think that your analysis of their worth is gospel when you know nothing about the inner workings of the company.
"Braun is only in the battle royal, he's feuding with the SNL jackoffs, he's damaged beyond repair, fire him". Wrong. He's been mismanaged for sure, but is that his fault? He's also one of the most over faces in the company, and can be plugged into just about any upper mid card role when needed. He's an attraction in a time when attractions are sorely lacking. And just because YOU won't care if he became champion doesn't mean everybody, or even anyone, shares your opinion.
"Wyatt has never lived up to his potential, nobody cares, fire him!" Wrong. Mismanaged, attraction, can be plugged in anywhere. I'd rather see someone like him than someone like Matt Riddle, or even Ricochet (no offense to Ricochet, he's incredible).
Gable, Shelton, Rusev, Nakamura, Dana Brooke, etc... Bye bye entire low to mid card. These people all play a role, some of them can be plugged into the upper mid card/main event as needed...or maybe we should just have star vs star matches every week with the same 8 guys in an endless cycle of 50/50 booking so nobody truly gets over and no lower guys ever get ahead. There's a starpower hierarchy for a reason. I don't like No Way Jose, but he plays a role, he's different, there's no reason he should just be fired. This entire thread reeks of 'I don't like them/their booking, therefore they are useless and a waste of money (that you have zero tangible interest in btw)
The only people I can really justify releasing are people who never appear on tv, people who want out, or those with disciplinary or substance issues. That said, there are probably people that can go, but nobody on this board has the knowledge or insight to suggest who those people should be.
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Post by ahunter8056 on Mar 21, 2019 12:18:09 GMT -5
I wonder if all these people that want the 205 guys released, actually watch the show. They put on some great matches and I like all involved. As someone who did include some of the 205 Live roster in my post, I'll be honest and say that I don't watch 205 Live, and I have no problem stating that some may interpret my point of view as ignorant. But I just completely disagree with the whole concept of 205 Live to begin with. There is absolutely no need for cruiserweights to have their own brand, and I think it's very silly that they do. It's just a complete waste of programming to me. They should take the best half of the 205 Live roster and spread them throughout RAW and SmackDown Live. From what I've seen of the 205 Live roster from appearing on RAW and SmackDown Live, as well as PPVs, as well as being in attendance for a couple of episodes, they mostly seem quite bland. They're all incredibly talented and can put on good matches, but half of them seem to be lacking in character and charisma. To me, character and charisma is far more important than exciting in-ring action. That's why it wouldn't bother me in the slightest if they were to scrap 205 Live and half of it's roster.
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Post by blissfan4life on Mar 21, 2019 12:23:54 GMT -5
Certainly Not Alicia Fox, who's a decent solid hand in the ring, or Braun. Nattie I wouldnt' fire either. The Women's division could use more veterans. Considering the era she came from. She is actually pretty good.
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Post by rkmo: Cheats & Geeks on Mar 21, 2019 13:10:30 GMT -5
Shane.
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Post by mrassbillygunn on Mar 21, 2019 13:23:52 GMT -5
I wonder if all these people that want the 205 guys released, actually watch the show. They put on some great matches and I like all involved. As someone who did include some of the 205 Live roster in my post, I'll be honest and say that I don't watch 205 Live, and I have no problem stating that some may interpret my point of view as ignorant. But I just completely disagree with the whole concept of 205 Live to begin with. There is absolutely no need for cruiserweights to have their own brand, and I think it's very silly that they do. It's just a complete waste of programming to me. They should take the best half of the 205 Live roster and spread them throughout RAW and SmackDown Live. From what I've seen of the 205 Live roster from appearing on RAW and SmackDown Live, as well as PPVs, as well as being in attendance for a couple of episodes, they mostly seem quite bland. They're all incredibly talented and can put on good matches, but half of them seem to be lacking in character and charisma. To me, character and charisma is far more important than exciting in-ring action. That's why it wouldn't bother me in the slightest if they were to scrap 205 Live and half of it's roster. The rosters on Raw and Smackdown are already over crowded as it is, the cruiserweights wouldnt get a look in on Raw or Smackdown save for the odd match here and there and they certainly wouldnt get the length of time in their matches that they are currently getting on 205. And as for them being bland, you could say that about many of the guys on Raw and Smackdown as well.
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Post by FLUX '97 on Mar 21, 2019 14:21:41 GMT -5
Just cut the people you're not even putting on TV like B-Team, The Colons, Titus and Slater and Rhyno.
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Post by theicwguy on Mar 21, 2019 17:58:36 GMT -5
Just cut the people you're not even putting on TV like B-Team, The Colons, Titus and Slater and Rhyno. I forgot the Colons were still a thing. Lol.
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Post by JC Motors on Mar 22, 2019 8:20:07 GMT -5
Just cut the people you're not even putting on TV like B-Team, The Colons, Titus and Slater and Rhyno. I forgot the Colons were still a thing. Lol. Most people have forgotten them
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Post by The Champ is Here! on Mar 22, 2019 8:43:32 GMT -5
As per usual, after Mania we get some Spring Cleaning. Who do you want to go!?! And please, don't give me any of this "I don't want anyone to lose their jobs." I want the following to lose their jobs because they are not needed. Oh and yes, we know Dean and Gallows and Anderson are pretty much gone. Dana Brooke Braun. (he's so useless now, no reason for him to be around anymore) Alicia Fox Bray Wyatt (there is nothing that can save this gimmick...ever) Shelton (there is stopping him now.) Nattie Neidhart Chad Gable Titus Nakamura Corbin (pathetic heat isn't good heat) Apollo Viktor and Conner Mojo Tamina Aiden English Rusev Lana Corey Graves 99% of 205 Live Imagine all the money they would save by dumping all this dead weight. 1st of all, they haven't done a spring cleaning in years. 2nd, they just parted ways with quite a few people 3rd, this list is bull. Nak? Rusev? Braun? are you high? 4th, if you actually want people to lose their job, you are the lowest form of scum 5th, why do you care if they save money?
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Post by The Champ is Here! on Mar 22, 2019 8:51:11 GMT -5
Ok then, tell me why Braun and Bray still need to be there. They are so misused. Bray won the title and nobody cared. He'll come back and nobody will care. It's the same ol'crap with him over and over again and nobody will care. Same with Braun. I hope they never give Braun any title. Come on man, he's "feuding" with two idiots from SNL!!!!!!!! And now he's in the Andre battle royal? Yeah, that'll put asses in the seats! Nakamura and Rusev need to go because they are doing NOTHING on the roster. They blew the whole Rusev day thing and Nakamura is just a joke. He was awesome in NXT, but in WWE? Horrible. Release them and put us all out of our misery. Gable? Sucks. Shelton? Sucks. 205 live? Sucks. Corey Graves? Him and his tattoos suck. Every single one of the people i mentioned are dead weight and jobbers. Get rid of 'em. Braun is one of the most over guys on the roster. You can look at his "booking" all you want, the guy still gets pops and is still being featured on the RAW card frequently. He's also a guy they could insert in literally any main event match and you'd believe it. He's still booked as a dominant monster and he just isn't involved with any major feud right now so they are keeping him in that random place. Doesn't mean a thing. Bray has been gone a long time now, clearly they are going to repackage or "tweak" his character. Not to mention before he was injured and off TV he was pretty over with the Matt Hardy stuff, took a little while but once it got going it was fine. He's not gonna be the creepy swamp master anymore and he doesn't need to be. His WWE title run was a complete joke, but that was a long time ago now. both Nak & Rusev are legit made stars, who have been pushed and featured more than a LOT of guys on the roster in the last few years. A poor booking decision to put them together as a tag team isn't going to last forever, they will split at some point soon and both guys will do something else. The last bit you just don't like, which...once again, is not a legitimate reason for them to lose their job. Gable is part of a pretty good tag team right now, who have been having killer matches in front of live crowds and even the TV audience is warming up to. Benjamin is a little lost for sure, but he's a guy you're gonna get a good match out of one way or another, and Graves is just doing his job as a color guy, Vince controls every single thing the commentators say and do, and when he's not bickering/yelling at Renee he's a pretty decent heel color guy in MY opinion. so as valid as you think your opinion is of those guys "suck"-ing....then mine is just as valid as them NOT "suck"-ing so they shouldn't be let go. I feel like instead of thinking about interesting ways to use guys, or realizing that this is professional wrestling and this company can make us care about literally anyone whenever they really want to....you're just saying "eh they haven't done anything good in a few months so just let them go"....that truly makes ZERO sense and is just a shallow, flawed and narrow mindset thank you for having so freaking sense. well said
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Post by mrassbillygunn on Mar 22, 2019 8:53:41 GMT -5
The amount of guys hanging around in WWE doing nothing is staggering. With no productive output why not cut costs and let them go. Its like WWE are holding on to them so other companies cant have them.
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Post by kennyw86v2 on Mar 22, 2019 9:22:52 GMT -5
Lol ignorance. First of all, Ziggler does not make 1.5mil per year. If he did he’d make the top 10 list of earners in the company, which he didn’t. Second of all, I don’t think you realize how much these wrestlers have to spend while they’re on the road. WWE doesn’t cover any of those travel expenses. Not a dime. You’re talking hotel, flights, rental cars, meals. I think someone was quoted into saying that they spend anywhere from 50k-100k on flights alone. That’s not including the rental cars and other travel expenses. So do that math genius. If ideally you’re the least paid performer on the roster, how much money do you really take home after travel expenses? Probably less than half of your pay. why do you think Midcard talents from the last 20 years are still working to this day? The pay ain’t all that great unless you’re on that upper card. Everyone is scratching to get there. So do some more homework before you start spitting out your opinions as facts. You are talking to a wall. People here think zack Ryder is rich FFS Rich is a stretch. Extremely well off is not. The man ain't gonna be hurting for money for the rest of his life.
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Post by theMOESIAH on Mar 23, 2019 0:50:03 GMT -5
and seriously.... Braun. (he's so useless now, no reason for him to be around anymore) Bray Wyatt (there is nothing that can save this gimmick...ever) Shelton (there is stopping him now.) Chad Gable Nakamura Corbin (pathetic heat isn't good heat) Rusev Corey Graves 99% of 205 Livehow can i even take a thread like this seriously with those responses... WWE's spring cleaning wasn't them releasing popular, always used legit stars. it was about cutting down the roster of some of the jobbers/lower guys to make room for others. so even if they were going to do a cleaning this year, you're legitimately out of your ing mind if you think they would just release the above guys as "dead weight" Cena, Brock and Roman might as well have been on that list. it let's release Vince and HHH too.
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Post by theMOESIAH on Mar 23, 2019 0:53:31 GMT -5
and seriously.... Braun. (he's so useless now, no reason for him to be around anymore) Bray Wyatt (there is nothing that can save this gimmick...ever) Shelton (there is stopping him now.) Chad Gable Nakamura Corbin (pathetic heat isn't good heat) Rusev Corey Graves 99% of 205 Livehow can i even take a thread like this seriously with those responses... WWE's spring cleaning wasn't them releasing popular, always used legit stars. it was about cutting down the roster of some of the jobbers/lower guys to make room for others. so even if they were going to do a cleaning this year, you're legitimately out of your ing mind if you think they would just release the above guys as "dead weight" Ok then, tell me why Braun and Bray still need to be there. They are so misused. Bray won the title and nobody cared. He'll come back and nobody will care. It's the same ol'crap with him over and over again and nobody will care. Same with Braun. I hope they never give Braun any title. Come on man, he's "feuding" with two idiots from SNL!!!!!!!! And now he's in the Andre battle royal? Yeah, that'll put asses in the seats! Nakamura and Rusev need to go because they are doing NOTHING on the roster. They blew the whole Rusev day thing and Nakamura is just a joke. He was awesome in NXT, but in WWE? Horrible. Release them and put us all out of our misery. Gable? Sucks. Shelton? Sucks. 205 live? Sucks. Corey Graves? Him and his tattoos suck.Every single one of the people i mentioned are dead weight and jobbers. Get rid of 'em. Just when I want to hate this post and every single thing about your life you pull some crap like this and totally redeem yourself.
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Post by The Natural Eddy Valintino on Mar 23, 2019 3:20:45 GMT -5
If i were to do a spring cleaning (which they havent done in years), Id release the following off the top of my head:
Alicia Fox Dana Brooke The Ascension The Colons Rhyno No Way Jose Dolph Ziggler Ariya Daivari Carmella
Id also send AOP, The IIconics and Nia Jax down to NXT. There's still value with them, but they really need to improve, some character wise, Nia in ring wise to work on not being sloppy. I would have also added Tamina, but Ive found some use for her ever since the Womens tag division began, and she hasnt been that bad in the ring.
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Post by RuthlessFigs on Mar 23, 2019 6:27:54 GMT -5
Realistically, if WWE were to do a "Spring Cleaning" i'd expect the following to go.
- Akam: I feel like the injury might hurt his career and WWE will see Rezar as a singles 'Monster Heel', after all, Rezar is bigger and has a much meaner look to him. - Alicia Fox: Pretty obvious, if they clean out the roster, they'll probably fire her for her recent drunken escapades. - Ariya Daivari: He's done nothing and likely will do nothing going forward - Gallows/Anderson: Obvious - Mike Kanellis: He hasn't really been worth anything since debuting and WWE probably doesn't see any worth in his contract - Rusev/Lana: In most cleanings, there's usually that one 'big' or surprising name to be let go. While Rusev isn't that surprising, he's definitely the biggest name (arguably) on the list. With him going, Lana will likely follow.
Some other obvious choices that could happen but i doubt WWE will let them go.
- SAnitY: Even though they NEVER get used, WWE probably still sees value in them and the gimmick, so they'll keep them to avoid them jumping to other promotions. - Tamina: She's useless, has little to no talent and is probably the most bleh person on the roster, but WWE will keep her. - The Revival: Like SAnitY, WWE knows they have worth and won't want them to jump ship. - EC3: His debut has been 100% botched and pointless, he's almost a nobody at this point. But just like SAnitY & Revival, worth + other promotions - Lucha House Party: I hate them, they're annoying and i do't want them on TV, but they're 'for the kids' and probably sell a ton of merch. - The Colons: They're the new JTG, you just can't get rid of them
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Post by mtime989 on Mar 23, 2019 14:24:27 GMT -5
I can see Apollo, Mojo, and Alicia Fox becoming future endevoured.
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