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Post by keegandimitrijevic01 on Mar 25, 2019 15:34:42 GMT -5
What are your thoughts on Mick Foley? Personally, I think his in-ring work is super under-appreciated.
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Post by rowdy1971 on Mar 25, 2019 15:40:19 GMT -5
The most overrated, undertalented, not as great as he says, worker out there. To call him a glorified stuntman is an insult to stuntmen. His promos are not that good. His matches are just as predictable as anyone else's. Just because he's a fat tub of goo and can splat harder then anyone else doesn't mean he should be celebrated as much as he is.
His "BY GAWD HE'S DEAD!!!" Hell in the Cell match is the biggest work that everyone still believes in. Going thorough the ceiling, being thrown off, all but the chair falling on his face, was planned. Sure it hurt and was brutal, but Foley can't do anything but stupid crap like that.
I do not like anything about Foley. Never have and never will and that's MY OPINION! So don't give me your crap. I take that back, I do like ONE thing about Foley. I like that he isn't on my tv anymore.
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Post by PJ on Mar 25, 2019 15:40:57 GMT -5
I liked him as Cactus Jack the best, but I thought all his gimmicks were exceptionally entertaining. And I thought he was really good in the ring.
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Mar 25, 2019 15:43:09 GMT -5
The most overrated, undertalented, not as great as he says, worker out there. To call him a glorified stuntman is an insult to stuntmen. His promos are not that good. His matches are just as predictable as anyone else's. Just because he's a fat tub of goo and can splat harder then anyone else doesn't mean he should be celebrated as much as he is. His "BY GAWD HE'S DEAD!!!" Hell in the Cell match is the biggest work that everyone still believes in. Going thorough the ceiling, being thrown off, all but the chair falling on his face, was planned. Sure it hurt and was brutal, but Foley can't do anything but stupid crap like that. I do not like anything about Foley. Never have and never will and that's MY OPINION! So don't give me your crap. I take that back, I do like ONE thing about Foley. I like that he isn't on my tv anymore.
But I agree with you about it. Mick is overrated. Was he a vital part of wrestling from 1989 - 1999?? Yes, he was. But that doesn't stop him from being overrated.
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Post by Deep Figure Value on Mar 25, 2019 15:43:43 GMT -5
I'm, somewhat appropriately, of several minds on Mick Foley. He's not a top fiver for me, and I'd be hard pressed to guess that he'd be top ten either, but that's not to say I don't like his work. He's naturally one of the all-time great character workers. It's just that it's sort of hit or miss with me. I love, love, love his stuff as Cactus Jack. Bar none, my favorite iteration of his, in any promotion. I'm not a Dude fan in the least. I know that's sort of his baby pet-project, but it just falls flat for me in retrospect. I'm in the minority, I think, on Mankind. I much prefer his original run, before he began interjecting more of the "Mick being Mick" personality into the character.
I suppose I'm in the "Foley is Good" camp. I got to meet him last year at my local indy. Got a great pic with him and my best friend, who I grew up watching him with. It was an in-ring photo op. When we climbed in, his greeting was immediately "How's it feel to be in a real ring, huh?!"
It wasn't my first time in a ring, but he seemed so enthused at the idea that I didn't have the heart to tell him, so I just sold it. Guess that's somewhat full circle, having grown up being worked by him.
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Post by rowdy1971 on Mar 25, 2019 15:47:19 GMT -5
The most overrated, undertalented, not as great as he says, worker out there. To call him a glorified stuntman is an insult to stuntmen. His promos are not that good. His matches are just as predictable as anyone else's. Just because he's a fat tub of goo and can splat harder then anyone else doesn't mean he should be celebrated as much as he is. His "BY GAWD HE'S DEAD!!!" Hell in the Cell match is the biggest work that everyone still believes in. Going thorough the ceiling, being thrown off, all but the chair falling on his face, was planned. Sure it hurt and was brutal, but Foley can't do anything but stupid crap like that. I do not like anything about Foley. Never have and never will and that's MY OPINION! So don't give me your crap. I take that back, I do like ONE thing about Foley. I like that he isn't on my tv anymore.
But I agree with you about it. Mick is overrated. Was he a vital part of wrestling from 1989 - 1999?? Yes, he was. But that doesn't stop him from being overrated.
LOL RIGHT!!! I've had people try to defend those zip tie things. They could never give a proper defense. |
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Post by PJ on Mar 25, 2019 15:52:01 GMT -5
Yes, being thrown of the cage was planned. Falling through the ceiling with the chair hitting him in the face I highly doubt was planned. The was no way that ceiling was going to support them especially when they started bumping on it. They were just lucky it happened over the ring and not the floor. Pretty sure the cells after that one have had more support to the ceiling compared to what that one had.
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Mar 25, 2019 15:58:32 GMT -5
But I agree with you about it. Mick is overrated. Was he a vital part of wrestling from 1989 - 1999?? Yes, he was. But that doesn't stop him from being overrated.
LOL RIGHT!!! I've had people try to defend those zip tie things. They could never give a proper defense.
Exactly! He was meant to go through the Cell. Or he would have jumped for the choke slam that Taker gave him if he was gonna be bouncing off the top mesh of the Cell.
The chair falling on his face?? Questionable. Either that was an accident, coming down and hitting him on the face like that, or it was supposed to come down with him but not hurt him.
Still, it's the only time I ever seen plastic zip ties used in a Hell in a Cell match!
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Mar 25, 2019 15:59:50 GMT -5
Yes, being thrown of the cage was planned. Falling through the ceiling with the chair hitting him in the face I highly doubt was planned. The was no way that ceiling was going to support them especially when they started bumping on it. They were just lucky it happened over the ring and not the floor. Pretty sure the cells after that one have had more support to the ceiling compared to what that one had.
Dude, they cage was being held by plastic zip ties!
Any other HIAC match that ends up on top, nobody has ever gone through, except Foley at No Way Out 2000, but that one was even more planned than the KOTR match.
But the plastic zip ties holding the cell together gives it away that Mick was gonna go through it.
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Post by havoc7179 on Mar 25, 2019 16:03:52 GMT -5
He's the Kofi Kingston of the Attitude Era. A manufactured underdog that WWE just happened to perfectly write. No one was caring about Mrs. Foley's baby boy until WWE decided to get behind him, and paint him as the perennial underdog. They had a feel good moment with him, and then everything else couldn't work.
Daniel Bryan almost fell into this trap, but was able to reinvent himself. Mick stuck to the cheap pops and stunts. Is he a legend? Sure. But, he's only in there because of memorable moments, not memorable matches.
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Post by Grumpyoldman on Mar 25, 2019 16:10:38 GMT -5
I was a huge fan of Cactus Jack.
Mankind? Dude Love? No.
And I completely lost all respect for him (and everyone else) who joined Vince McMahon's "Kiss My Ass" club.
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Post by The Brain on Mar 25, 2019 16:26:59 GMT -5
Cactus was my favorite of his faces but I still enjoyed Mankind and Dude Love as well. I loved his matches with Sting and Vader in WCW.
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Post by PJ on Mar 25, 2019 16:27:29 GMT -5
Yes, being thrown of the cage was planned. Falling through the ceiling with the chair hitting him in the face I highly doubt was planned. The was no way that ceiling was going to support them especially when they started bumping on it. They were just lucky it happened over the ring and not the floor. Pretty sure the cells after that one have had more support to the ceiling compared to what that one had. Dude, they cage was being held by plastic zip ties! Any other HIAC match that ends up on top, nobody has ever gone through, except Foley at No Way Out 2000, but that one was even more planned than the KOTR match. But the plastic zip ties holding the cell together gives it away that Mick was gonna go through it. Yes and the whole ceiling had zip ties holding the ceiling panels together. When the cage was being raised you can after Taker threw him off you see the panel Taker walked across to get to the support beam he was standing on was held together with zip ties as well. If they knew the ceiling was going to collapse would Taker really be standing/walking across a panel being held together with zip ties as it was being raised? I can see both points of view, but I personally think that if it was planned Taker wouldn’t be stupid enough to trust that just a bunch of zip ties would hold his weight. But the zip ties on the part he went through were black compared to the white ones used all over the rest of ceiling. So they could have cut away the metal rings that hold a fence and just had zip ties on that panel. And king and JR did seem to be pushing it It could have been planned. The chair certainly was not planned. Especially to hit him in the face. But I would like to think both Taker and Foley would be smarted to believe a few zip ties would support their weight on the ceiling. |
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Post by Thunder Chunky on Mar 25, 2019 16:29:13 GMT -5
I used to really like Foley. Cactus is the best. But after hearing horror stories of people meeting him and how rude he is, I've kind of soured on him. ukff.com/topic/134725-foley-is-crud/ |
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Post by keegandimitrijevic01 on Mar 25, 2019 17:03:00 GMT -5
I used to really like Foley. Cactus is the best. But after hearing horror stories of people meeting him and how rude he is, I've kind of soured on him. ukff.com/topic/134725-foley-is-crud/He wasn't rude to me at all!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Post by LA Times on Mar 25, 2019 17:13:45 GMT -5
I liked him as Cactus Jack in WCW and thats about it. When he unretired and was wrestling in a flannel shirt, sweatpants and was fatter than ever, it looked like a homeless guy just jumped into the ring. Its just silly.
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Post by Artie Kendall on Mar 25, 2019 17:58:53 GMT -5
I've said before that I stopped watching the WWF product around the time Shawn Michaels left in 1998. I hung around for a little bit afterwards but one of the biggest reasons but not the only reason I tuned out was the wrestlecrap that was Dude Love. I loved Cactus Jack and the original Mankind before he started wearing the white dress shirt but if any other person was given Dude Love, everyone would have hated it. But because it was Foley he got a pass. I think the best thing about Foley is he was decent between the ropes, great on the stick, but wouldn't draw the same tickets as the other greats.
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Post by jason1980s on Mar 26, 2019 7:32:21 GMT -5
I read the long thread with some negative Mick reports. Was he with TNA at the time? The negative reports I've seen in the past generally seemed to go hand in hand with him being with TNA while I've heard more positive reports over the last few years. No excuses, Mick should be one of the friendliest wrestlers there is based on the character he plays and the overall talent in relation to others.
He surely is a glorified stunt man and I'm sorry he's had to go through all the hell his body and mind has taken for our enjoyment (also his livelihood) but with no ECW, no hardcore wrestling, no attitude era of WWF, there is no way he would be successful in any other era. Maybe 1980s Memphis wrestling with those Texas Tornado or food court brawl matches?
He apparently is childhood friends with Kevin James which doesn't surprise me at all, two overweight guys with very little overall talent who have to rely on putting themselves down to get popular. Lucky for Kevin he had a good support network in multiple talent co-stars. And outside of his Paul Blart movies, he's basically just an extra in an Adam Sandler movie. For the other wrestlers during the attitude era, the Rock, Austin, Triple H, DX specifically-their talent was able to show in the attitude era but they didn't specifically have to rely on that era to get over. I can see them being successful in any other era but not Mick Foley, not without the extent of the hardcore things he was doing in the late 1990s and that type of style wasn't happening in earlier eras.
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Post by K5 on Mar 26, 2019 11:08:37 GMT -5
Yes, being thrown of the cage was planned. Falling through the ceiling with the chair hitting him in the face I highly doubt was planned. The was no way that ceiling was going to support them especially when they started bumping on it. They were just lucky it happened over the ring and not the floor. Pretty sure the cells after that one have had more support to the ceiling compared to what that one had. Dude, they cage was being held by plastic zip ties! Any other HIAC match that ends up on top, nobody has ever gone through, except Foley at No Way Out 2000, but that one was even more planned than the KOTR match. But the plastic zip ties holding the cell together gives it away that Mick was gonna go through it. then how do you explain undertaker and mankind’s leg breaking through the cage earlier in the match, with them almost falling through? if it was planned, why wasn’t the rest of the cage secure? it clearly wasn’t planned. one huge fall on ppv that was the largest spot up till that point of all time is one thing, planning for two? Vince wasn’t going to intentionally kill mick live on PPV. notice that years later when triple h and him have their cell...the rest of the cage structure is sound. the panel that breaks off is clean. the ring has a soft spot so mick doesn’t absorb all that impact falling multiple feet to a ring that was hard enough to hurt people being body slammed on it. there was no chair in the area that could cause injury with the spot....that’s what a planned spot looks like. not a few zip ties. |
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Post by PJ on Mar 26, 2019 13:39:33 GMT -5
I read the long thread with some negative Mick reports. Was he with TNA at the time? The negative reports I've seen in the past generally seemed to go hand in hand with him being with TNA while I've heard more positive reports over the last few years. No excuses, Mick should be one of the friendliest wrestlers there is based on the character he plays and the overall talent in relation to others. He surely is a glorified stunt man and I'm sorry he's had to go through all the hell his body and mind has taken for our enjoyment (also his livelihood) but with no ECW, no hardcore wrestling, no attitude era of WWF, there is no way he would be successful in any other era. Maybe 1980s Memphis wrestling with those Texas Tornado or food court brawl matches? He apparently is childhood friends with Kevin James which doesn't surprise me at all, two overweight guys with very little overall talent who have to rely on putting themselves down to get popular. Lucky for Kevin he had a good support network in multiple talent co-stars. And outside of his Paul Blart movies, he's basically just an extra in an Adam Sandler movie. For the other wrestlers during the attitude era, the Rock, Austin, Triple H, DX specifically-their talent was able to show in the attitude era but they didn't specifically have to rely on that era to get over. I can see them being successful in any other era but not Mick Foley, not without the extent of the hardcore things he was doing in the late 1990s and that type of style wasn't happening in earlier eras. WTF!!!! We don’t bad mouth the King of Queens on this board. You want to bad mouth Foley that’s fine, but when you talk trash about Kevin James that’s where I draw the line!!!! I love Kevin James and the King of Queens is my all-time favorite sitcom. I watched episode of that every day. |
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