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Post by HandsomeHollywood on Nov 11, 2019 17:16:00 GMT -5
The whole situation is frustrating to watch tbh. On one hand I get that we live in a society where the comments as spoken wont be received well, but the reaction has been equally ridiculous. Is anyone honestly surprised that Cherry feels this way? Where’s the grace for someone who’s worldview was shaped at a VERY different time in history? Not saying it’s ok to just let someone go off, but could we not take an opportunity to further a conversation, have some discourse and seek understanding, as opposed to overreacting and twisting some unkind/not well thought out comments to create a scapegoat that creates more division amongst those observing? The freedom we experience in this country should be used to explore these kinds of differences and provide opportunities for us all to learn and grow...not to vilify one of our elders and make an example of him that’s not really all that helpful in the long-run. Just some of my thoughts... You nailed it. Couldnt have said it better To be fair, this isn't the first time he's been in trouble, and it most likely would have been far from the last. I don't see what firing him does though, other than saving them the grief of dealing with complaints.
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Post by ztj_wwf on Nov 11, 2019 17:23:29 GMT -5
For fellow hockey fans out there, Don Cherry got fired today for his remarks on Saturday about foreign people living in Canada not wearing poppies. Probably the wrong way of saying it, but I get what he was saying. Probably should have said, "anyone who lives in this country not wearing a poppy" because I know many born Canadian people don't wear them either. The whole situation is frustrating to watch tbh. On one hand I get that we live in a society where the comments as spoken wont be received well, but the reaction has been equally ridiculous. Is anyone honestly surprised that Cherry feels this way? Where’s the grace for someone who’s worldview was shaped at a VERY different time in history? Not saying it’s ok to just let someone go off, but could we not take an opportunity to further a conversation, have some discourse and seek understanding, as opposed to overreacting and twisting some unkind/not well thought out comments to create a scapegoat that creates more division amongst those observing? The freedom we experience in this country should be used to explore these kinds of differences and provide opportunities for us all to learn and grow...not to vilify one of our elders and make an example of him that’s not really all that helpful in the long-run. Just some of my thoughts... Agree completely. I personally don't agree with Don's comments, but this whole cancel culture thing and the idea of vilifying anyone who expresses an opinion that is different from the 'acceptable' point of view is very troubling in my opinion...and not very liberal minded if I may say so.
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Post by HandsomeHollywood on Nov 11, 2019 17:53:24 GMT -5
The whole situation is frustrating to watch tbh. On one hand I get that we live in a society where the comments as spoken wont be received well, but the reaction has been equally ridiculous. Is anyone honestly surprised that Cherry feels this way? Where’s the grace for someone who’s worldview was shaped at a VERY different time in history? Not saying it’s ok to just let someone go off, but could we not take an opportunity to further a conversation, have some discourse and seek understanding, as opposed to overreacting and twisting some unkind/not well thought out comments to create a scapegoat that creates more division amongst those observing? The freedom we experience in this country should be used to explore these kinds of differences and provide opportunities for us all to learn and grow...not to vilify one of our elders and make an example of him that’s not really all that helpful in the long-run. Just some of my thoughts... Agree completely. I personally don't agree with Don's comments, but this whole cancel culture thing and the idea of vilifying anyone who expresses an opinion that is different from the 'acceptable' point of view is very troubling in my opinion...and not very liberal minded if I may say so. I'd say this would hold water if it were a knee jerk reaction, but again, it's not the first time Cherry's been in trouble. He's made troublesome comments in the past, as in, this isn't out of nowhere. Coach's Corner has been bad for the past 15 years or more anyway. Don has less and less to say about hockey. Sometimes he has good sport insight but for the most part he's arguing with Ron over terminology, honoring vets or shouting at Ron to hurry up so he can profile a hockey kid. It was almost like a parody. I was personally done with Cherry after two things. First, he crapall over Lidstrom being the first European born captain to win the cup, just because he's European, nevermind one of the greatest hockey defensemen in history. Second, when he put together a video package to defend known dirtbag Matt Cooke when he severed Karlsson's Achilles tendon. Showed a history of dirty hits, trying to say it's "just how Cooke hits". Yeah, he hits like an idiot. In the end, Hockey Night in Canada will go on, Cherry will find work elsewhere and everything will be fine.
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Post by kiphouse on Nov 11, 2019 18:25:24 GMT -5
The cheaper lighter plastic used nowadays for elites is so sharp around the edges of wrists, feet and knee joints.
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Post by ztj_wwf on Nov 11, 2019 18:58:14 GMT -5
Agree completely. I personally don't agree with Don's comments, but this whole cancel culture thing and the idea of vilifying anyone who expresses an opinion that is different from the 'acceptable' point of view is very troubling in my opinion...and not very liberal minded if I may say so. I'd say this would hold water if it were a knee jerk reaction, but again, it's not the first time Cherry's been in trouble. He's made troublesome comments in the past, as in, this isn't out of nowhere. Coach's Corner has been bad for the past 15 years or more anyway. Don has less and less to say about hockey. Sometimes he has good sport insight but for the most part he's arguing with Ron over terminology, honoring vets or shouting at Ron to hurry up so he can profile a hockey kid. It was almost like a parody. I was personally done with Cherry after two things. First, he crap all over Lidstrom being the first European born captain to win the cup, just because he's European, nevermind one of the greatest hockey defensemen in history. Second, when he put together a video package to defend known dirtbag Matt Cooke when he severed Karlsson's Achilles tendon. Showed a history of dirty hits, trying to say it's "just how Cooke hits". Yeah, he hits like an idiot. In the end, Hockey Night in Canada will go on, Cherry will find work elsewhere and everything will be fine. But he's being fired for this recent comment, not for others. Even if he didn't have a history of saying stupid things, the reaction would be the same. The point is not about Don or Hockey Night in Canada, which I couldn't care less about personally...The point is the hysteria when someone says something that is deemed unacceptable.
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Post by HandsomeHollywood on Nov 11, 2019 19:01:04 GMT -5
I'd say this would hold water if it were a knee jerk reaction, but again, it's not the first time Cherry's been in trouble. He's made troublesome comments in the past, as in, this isn't out of nowhere. Coach's Corner has been bad for the past 15 years or more anyway. Don has less and less to say about hockey. Sometimes he has good sport insight but for the most part he's arguing with Ron over terminology, honoring vets or shouting at Ron to hurry up so he can profile a hockey kid. It was almost like a parody. I was personally done with Cherry after two things. First, he crap all over Lidstrom being the first European born captain to win the cup, just because he's European, nevermind one of the greatest hockey defensemen in history. Second, when he put together a video package to defend known dirtbag Matt Cooke when he severed Karlsson's Achilles tendon. Showed a history of dirty hits, trying to say it's "just how Cooke hits". Yeah, he hits like an idiot. In the end, Hockey Night in Canada will go on, Cherry will find work elsewhere and everything will be fine. But he's being fired for this recent comment, not for others. Even if he didn't have a history of saying stupid things, the reaction would be the same. The point is not about Don or Hockey Night in Canada, which I couldn't care less about personally...The point is the hysteria when someone says something that is deemed unacceptable. Yes that is indeed a problem. I just don't think this specific story is a particularly great example of that. But again, that's just my opinion. One thing to remember is that the "outrage" or "backlash" is rarely as big as it seems. It's more often than not a very social media based loud minority.
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Post by ztj_wwf on Nov 11, 2019 19:09:31 GMT -5
But he's being fired for this recent comment, not for others. Even if he didn't have a history of saying stupid things, the reaction would be the same. The point is not about Don or Hockey Night in Canada, which I couldn't care less about personally...The point is the hysteria when someone says something that is deemed unacceptable. Yes that is indeed a problem. I just don't think this specific story is a particularly great example of that. But again, that's just my opinion. One thing to remember is that the "outrage" or "backlash" is rarely as big as it seems. It's more often than not a very social media based loud minority. Yes that's true. It's a vocal minority...The average person is more level-headed.
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Post by Biff Slamkovich™ on Nov 11, 2019 20:06:06 GMT -5
I think Don Cherry was already on thin ice with Rogers bigwigs anyway and this was the straw that broke the camel's back.
Its ironic that as proud of a Canadian as he is and for all of the respect and passion he has for the Canadian armed forces that he gets fired on Remembrance Day.
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Post by WMWanimations on Nov 11, 2019 22:40:00 GMT -5
For fellow hockey fans out there, Don Cherry got fired today for his remarks on Saturday about foreign people living in Canada not wearing poppies. Probably the wrong way of saying it, but I get what he was saying. Probably should have said, "anyone who lives in this country not wearing a poppy" because I know many born Canadian people don't wear them either. The whole situation is frustrating to watch tbh. On one hand I get that we live in a society where the comments as spoken wont be received well, but the reaction has been equally ridiculous. Is anyone honestly surprised that Cherry feels this way? Where’s the grace for someone who’s worldview was shaped at a VERY different time in history? Not saying it’s ok to just let someone go off, but could we not take an opportunity to further a conversation, have some discourse and seek understanding, as opposed to overreacting and twisting some unkind/not well thought out comments to create a scapegoat that creates more division amongst those observing? The freedom we experience in this country should be used to explore these kinds of differences and provide opportunities for us all to learn and grow...not to vilify one of our elders and make an example of him that’s not really all that helpful in the long-run. Just some of my thoughts... You are absolutely are spot on. 100%. Happy that I can come on this board and see some fellow Canadians speak so well and thoughtfully.
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Post by ARUN on Nov 11, 2019 22:45:54 GMT -5
Ordered Elite Shayna Baszler and Velveteen from Amazon, should be here this week. Super stoked. Thanks for this! Never found her in stores. Can’t go wrong for $23!
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Post by Biff Slamkovich™ on Nov 12, 2019 3:33:23 GMT -5
Ordered Elite Shayna Baszler and Velveteen from Amazon, should be here this week. Super stoked. Thanks for this! Never found her in stores. Can’t go wrong for $23! Glad you were able to track her down. My bad though, I didn't list the price in my post =P
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Post by ARUN on Nov 12, 2019 8:07:38 GMT -5
Anyone else sign up for Disney plus?
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Post by jokerjohn on Nov 12, 2019 10:55:54 GMT -5
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Post by Lk™ on Nov 12, 2019 10:59:21 GMT -5
Anyone else sign up for Disney plus? I'm going to later or this week at some point
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Post by thekick on Nov 12, 2019 11:03:52 GMT -5
Anyone else sign up for Disney plus? I want to, but the wife is all like "we haven netflix, prime and crave and barely use them as it is..." It's about OPTIONS WOMAN.
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Post by Lk™ on Nov 12, 2019 11:08:08 GMT -5
Anyone else sign up for Disney plus? I want to, but the wife is all like "we haven netflix, prime and crave and barely use them as it is..." It's about OPTIONS WOMAN. Yeah I'm in the same boat lol. Might cancel Netflix. Short term..
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Post by Biff Slamkovich™ on Nov 12, 2019 11:35:46 GMT -5
Anyone else sign up for Disney plus? Oh I'm gonna have a field day with Disney+. After looking at the full lineup of launch content yesterday I'm gonna love watching all the 90's cartoons again like X-Men TAS, Spider-Man TAS, Silver Surfer, Iron Man etc. Also other cartoons like Goof Troop, Mighty Ducks, Recess and Gargoyles.
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Post by ARUN on Nov 12, 2019 11:41:58 GMT -5
Anyone else sign up for Disney plus? Oh I'm gonna have a field day with Disney+. After looking at the full lineup of launch content yesterday I'm gonna love watching all the 90's cartoons again like X-Men TAS, Spider-Man TAS, Silver Surfer, Iron Man etc. Also other cartoons like Goof Troop, Mighty Ducks, Recess and Gargoyles. It’s amazing!! A few glitches that I’m sure will be worked out soon. But so many options. I’m watching Gargoyles right now!
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Post by ARUN on Nov 12, 2019 11:42:15 GMT -5
Anyone else sign up for Disney plus? I want to, but the wife is all like "we haven netflix, prime and crave and barely use them as it is..." It's about OPTIONS WOMAN. Do it! Lol. Great value in my opinion
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Post by ARUN on Nov 12, 2019 11:42:32 GMT -5
Anyone else sign up for Disney plus? I'm going to later or this week at some point I recommend it. Really enjoying it so far.
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