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Post by Nivro™ on Apr 21, 2019 10:35:52 GMT -5
this thread makes my head hurt
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Post by natureboyfauser on Apr 21, 2019 11:14:25 GMT -5
Nivro, Then get off of it.
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Post by Triple S: POOR on Apr 21, 2019 11:25:38 GMT -5
Nivro, Then get off of it. Or stop suggesting an idea that’s been done and explained why it’s failed on many occasions by Bill himself. Then proceeding to name people not even 10% of the WWE Mattel consumers would consider buying. While getting defensive when someone criticizes it.
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Post by Nivro™ on Apr 21, 2019 11:30:15 GMT -5
Triple S,
I agree with you
(cause apparently the quote button is broke)
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Post by LA Times on Apr 21, 2019 12:14:10 GMT -5
Nivro, Then get off of it. Or stop suggesting an idea that’s been done and explained why it’s failed on many occasions by Bill himself. Then proceeding to name people not even 10% of the WWE Mattel consumers would consider buying. While getting defensive when someone criticizes it. Dont you just love how he has 4 years worth of figure releases planned for an idea that was already done, failed and lasted just 6 months?
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Post by natureboyfauser on Apr 21, 2019 12:59:16 GMT -5
I don't criticize people for their selection of if they want a figure or not ... or which ones they want ... that is for them to decide. I criticize people like you who come to a Mattel Suggestion thread and mock suggestions instead of either 1. Ignoring it and move on with your life. 2. Say you wouldn't do it. 3. Say which ones you would like. If I used your bozo theory ... the fact that Mattel Legends line was originally created and it didn't work (would indicate Mattel should never make another legend line according to you since they tried it and it didn't work ... just like the Matty line right? Ah ... but they have tried other forms of getting Legends into lines. Flashback lines - Hall of Fame lines ... then they were incorporated with the regular assortment ... now they are short packed and making it very difficult for the collector who doesn't go daily to Walmart to try to find an action figure. Now they are so popular they are going for hundreds of dollars on the secondary market and Mattel continues to make them. Ha ha! So I am coming up with a SUGGESTION in a MATTEL SUGGESSTION page that has worked for Eaglemoss and wondered who else it would work for them. Prices are negotiable = assortments are negotiable .... just making a SUGGESTION. I hope that didn't ruin your EASTER. God bless. Here is what wouldn't work. JAN: "I Hate My JOB" FEB: "Triple S" MARCH: "Nivro" Those would not sell ...
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Post by Triple S: POOR on Apr 21, 2019 14:08:00 GMT -5
Clearly getting super defensive. It’s starting to become quite funny.
What happened to the Hall of Fame line? What happened to the Flashbacks line? What happened to the Hall of Champions line?
Exactly. Again, it’s a nice fantasy opinion. Just not actually likely to happen.
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Post by natureboyfauser on Apr 21, 2019 15:07:42 GMT -5
Yes, what happened to all of those legends lines? The same thing that happened to the Matty line? But do they keep making Legends Triple S? Muraco? Mabel? Pat Patterson? Why do they do that? Because there is an interest?
So the answer they have now is the best one? - and everyone else should quit suggesting other ways of doing it because Triple S said so?
I also have to laugh that "I Hate My Job" said Wendi Richter was as popular as Hulk Hogan. WOW!!! And if we want Legends instead of SUGGESTING on a forum of suggestions to Mattel we are told to create our own company and make them ourselves. WOW! So good!
Don't get them guys! Move on! Or take some aspirin. I am going to keep on suggesting.
SHow the image of the proposed figures for the year first. Allow the avid collector to bid prior to release for a premium price and if people want them they get it if not the Collectors take their luck in the current method of exclusives to stores for the regular price ... but if you miss out ... you pay $$$$$$$. This way everyone wins.
Jan: Ernie Ladd FEB: Gorilla Monsoon wrestler March: Nick Bonkwinkel April: Crusher Blackwell May; Jim Cornette June: Midnight Express July: Dennis Rodman August: Eric Bishoff September: Ivan Putski October: Jessie the Body Wrestler November: Cheif Jay Strombaugh December: Adrian Adonis
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Post by Triple S: POOR on Apr 21, 2019 15:18:53 GMT -5
Yes, there’s a reason Legends are being put into the regular line and not as a series. There’s a reason all of those lines failed and were canceled. There’s a reason Backlund, Sherri and Patterson are all exclusive to 1 store and not mass produced for the entire line.
They’re making less of them and putting them into the regular Elite line. Because every Flashback/Legends line has failed and was canceled. Including Matty Collector.
The names you’ve listed (for the most part) wouldn’t sell enough to warrant being mass produced and readily available. The only reason Sherri, Backlund, Race, etc. even reach(ed) those secondary prices... is because of people not wanting to wait. As US stores starting getting the figures in, the prices have dropped. Except the Race situation, which honestly may be the biggest question mark since Mattel has obtained this license. Seems nobody knows what happened with that series.
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Post by natureboyfauser on Apr 21, 2019 15:42:28 GMT -5
Part of the demise of the line for mass retail is that there are only two real players left Walmart and Target now that Toys R us is gone. However, just as I am suggesting in a way of putting the Legend image out there for a pre-order ... ironically Target is doing that with The Red Rooster as we speak. So the idea is not so absurd. It is a suggestion that I am making with Mattel to work out with the retailer to pre-order in a short window with the collector ... at a premium price and then after a while release it as they do ... every man for themselves ... then nobody can complain ... because if you are a collector and willing to pay a price you can get first dibs on it ... if you are a collector but don't want to pay that price you still have a chance of getting it but not as great of a chance.
Look I have NEVER watched NXT ... never ... but I would not discourage or insult those who do. More power to them.
I guess what I am genuinely curious about is how many collectors on this forum would get those Legends I named ... not what Mattel would do ... because obviously, nobody has that answer. But what would you do? Who would you get? None is okay. Some and name them would be cool for me to know. All of them ... that's okay too.
Red Rooster an unusual gimmick that lasted maybe a few months or Killer Khan ... a more popular character who was a main eventer and had a cool look??? Red rooster proves anything I mentioned is possible.
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Post by Triple S: POOR on Apr 21, 2019 17:21:24 GMT -5
Red Rooster is far more well known than Kilker Khan and clearly there’s not that much interest in a Red Rooster figure. At least not at a $24.99 price tag.
$30 Elites will not work in this day and age. Look at the Entrance Greats line. Also didn’t do well and has since been canceled. Collectors don’t care to pay a premium price of $10 more than regular Elites for figures they feel should be in the same price range. The reason RSC are successful with it is because of how early they obtain the sets. In some cases 2-3 months before retail.
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Post by MKSavage on Apr 21, 2019 22:40:50 GMT -5
Yes, there’s a reason Legends are being put into the regular line and not as a series. There’s a reason all of those lines failed and were canceled. There’s a reason Backlund, Sherri and Patterson are all exclusive to 1 store and not mass produced for the entire line. They’re making less of them and putting them into the regular Elite line. Because every Flashback/Legends line has failed and was canceled. Including Matty Collector. The names you’ve listed (for the most part) wouldn’t sell enough to warrant being mass produced and readily available. The only reason Sherri, Backlund, Race, etc. even reach(ed) those secondary prices... is because of people not wanting to wait. As US stores starting getting the figures in, the prices have dropped. Except the Race situation, which honestly may be the biggest question mark since Mattel has obtained this license. Seems nobody knows what happened with that series. Not according to Bill, the reason why some lines end is because the store asking for them wants something different. After a year or two of one line (i.e. Hall of Champions, Hall of Fame, Flashbacks, etc.) the store wants something new to push out that has a different look or feel. I believe he mentioned this when discussing the Walmart flashback line at one of the last cons or axxess, it wasn't that it sold poorly it was that Walmart wanted something new and Mattel wanted stores ordering more main elite line waves.
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Post by natureboyfauser on Apr 22, 2019 8:34:01 GMT -5
Red Rooster is far more well known than Kilker Khan I think that is your opinion and not a fact. Here is my opinion. Killer Khan from 1979-1987 Known for breaking Andre the Giants Ankle. A Main eventer whether it was against Andre, Hulk Hogan, Macho Man, The Von Erichs etc ... and known for the Asian Mist and thumb choke hold or Red Rooster who was that character for less than 1992-1993 known for "primarily used to put over other talent". Also most notably known as the worst gimmick ever. bleacherreport.com/articles/187830-cock-of-the-walk-the-red-rooster-is-the-worst-gimmick-everOn another front would kids who don't know either prefer a 6'5 Mongolian Madman with a cool outfit. Or a borrowed Ric Flair robe and red mohawk from a perennial loser? Triple S says "there’s not that much interest in a Red Rooster figure." What facts are you basing that off of? Are you privy to Target's on-line sales for Red Rooster? It seems like there is a LOT of attention for Red Rooster on these forums despite his less than impressive run as The Red Rooster. I have ordered mine - because I am a collector and like older figures. Yes I am aware I am a minority ... but that is why I come here to see if there are other passionate legend collectors like me ... I said the price point of my idea is debatable ... certainly not fixated on that cost and would prefer it wasn't as expensive - just an idea. Again, I would far prefer to learn what YOU would buy Triple S than what you think Mattel would do - because I FACTUALLY know you don't know that. So tell me what YOU would get. If the price was less? Nobody? That's okay. Some? Then name some. All? That's okay too. Man if I could just get the collectors to state what YOU would like and not speak for the rest of the market or collectors it would be so refreshing and be such a better gage for the mattel suggestion page to see there are a lot of collectors who would like something. JAN: Ken Patera Feb: Adam Bomb March: Crush April: David Von Erich May: Black Jack Mulligan June: Jay Strongbow July: Pedro Morales August: Verne Gagne September: The Moondogs October: Mr. Wrestling Nov: Tony Schavione December: Bruiser and Da Crusher This is so much fun!
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Post by 👑🇵🇭⭐️ on Apr 22, 2019 14:41:30 GMT -5
The only Legends I want are Championship Title Belts that haven't been made by Mattel yet.
Jan - WWE World (Brahma Bull) Feb - WWE Ligh Heavyweight Mar - WCW World (Big Gold Belt without the WWE logo) Apr - WCW World (91 - 93 version) May - WCW United States Jun - WCW Television Jul - WCW Hardcore Aug - WCW Cruiserweight Sep - WCW Tag Team Oct - ECW Television Nov - ECW Tag Team Dec - ECW FTW (If the WWE / Mattel changes it to the ETW (Entertain The World) I'm going to lose it!!)
So pick the Legend best suited to go with these Championship Title Belts, and that's my list.
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Post by MKSavage on Apr 22, 2019 15:01:29 GMT -5
The only Legends I want are Championship Title Belts that haven't been made by Mattel yet. Jan - WWE World (Brahma Bull) Feb - WWE Ligh Heavyweight Mar - WCW World (Big Gold Belt without the WWE logo) Apr - WCW World (91 - 93 version) May - WCW United States Jun - WCW Television Jul - WCW Hardcore Aug - WCW Cruiserweight Sep - WCW Tag Team Oct - ECW Television Nov - ECW Tag Team Dec - ECW FTW (If the WWE / Mattel changes it to the ETW (Entertain The World) I'm going to lose it!!) So pick the Legend best suited to go with these Championship Title Belts, and that's my list. Jan: the Rock Feb: I guess Taka Mar: Flair or Sting Apr: Sting or Luger May: Ravishing Rick Rude Jun: Stunning Steve Austin Jul: Not Sure Aug: Not Sure, did Jericho wear this belt, if so then him Sep: Steiner Brothers or Hollywood Blondes Oct: RVD Nov: Dudley Boyz Dec: Taz
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Post by King Richius on Apr 22, 2019 15:36:35 GMT -5
I might buy a few... but that's a mighty big if given the suggested price point. I mean, I really want the ultimate Ronda figure but I'm not about to pay $35 for it. It's been an easy pass despite how much I want it. I really wanted the first Hollywood Hogan figure from Storm but I waited until RSC had it on sale for a price approaching that of the regular Mattel elites. I'm not made of money. The suggested elevated price tag would chase me away from this line.
I'd be wiling to bet there are quite a few people like me, those you would definitely consider "serious" collectors who want legends/flashbacks but aren't going to pay the higher price for an exclusive line.
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Post by natureboyfauser on Apr 22, 2019 15:41:51 GMT -5
Thanks, King Richius,
please NOTE: I do not want to pay that either. My hope is that Mattel sees this and comes to the conclusion that there is serious interest for legends and are open to an idea like this but not for that price point based on what people are saying here.
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Post by CM Poor: DeepFigureValue on Apr 22, 2019 15:52:10 GMT -5
Good lawd, do some of these names hinge almost exclusively on the likelihood that Mattel adopts a campaign to sign merchandise deals with talent beyond the scope of WWE's say-so. Points for obscurity, I guess.
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Post by natureboyfauser on Apr 22, 2019 18:34:53 GMT -5
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Post by CM Poor: DeepFigureValue on Apr 22, 2019 18:49:13 GMT -5
three pages and not one dang suggestion for a haystacks calhoun elite w/ b&w vRiant wtf
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