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Post by Planktung on May 16, 2019 16:03:27 GMT -5
Entitled, whiny and insufferable fans are the problem. Not Vince.
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Post by LA Times on May 16, 2019 16:11:41 GMT -5
Meltzer is also saying that WWE is such huge fans of Almas that they are the ones paying for his English lessons. I guess Charlotte isnt good at teaching English...
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Post by olim2k3 on May 16, 2019 16:15:13 GMT -5
Listening to the podcast pre reading this thread, I got the feeling from that caller that he may have been pretending to have insider info that was already rumoured anyway.
Made reference to his writer friends not knowing about Roman turning up for the wildcard Raw but that was pre announced online.
Not saying it all isn't plausible but certainly sounded like he was enjoying his moment.
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Post by banthafett on May 16, 2019 16:55:40 GMT -5
Meltzer is also saying that WWE is such huge fans of Almas that they are the ones paying for his English lessons. I guess Charlotte isnt good at teaching English... Have you heard her screech on the mic?
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Post by ellisd on May 16, 2019 16:59:49 GMT -5
As far as the Almas situation, I'm not saying that anyone "has to learn English", but I can understand how it would be helpful. WWE is global touring company that broadcasts all over the world, but their base of operations and the majority of their touring is done in the US in front of predominantly English speaking audiences. In WWE, promos play a big part in advancing storylines, character building, etc. and I'm sure speaking English makes it easier to connect and make and impact on the fans through promos. Now some wrestlers connect and make an impact on the fans just through their in ring work, and that's great, but in WWE the promos are a big part of it. In the Attitude Era, I was a big Essa Rios fan, but he never did promos and he only made it so far and before long he was gone. I do not think Vince is the main problem. the problem is overexposure. Keeping up with the entire WWE product is like having a part-time job. If wrestling is your one and only interest and you do not have a full-time job or a family then I can see how you can watch all of the content WWE does on a weekly basis. People who work full time, have kids and like to actually watch and do other stuff could no way watch all the WWE content. I agree with this. For example, this week I've only seen the first hour and 1/2 of RAW. I haven't had the time or opportunity to watch the rest or any of Smackdown. I honestly would love to watch everything (Raw, Smackdown, NXT, NXT UK, 205, Ring of Honor, Impact, New Japan, and wrestling I can find) but I just don't have the time. “Wrestling was better when fans didn’t have opinions.” It was better when they didn’t know everything that was going to happen before the show even happened. It was better when there wasn’t an internet where they blast everything that isn’t exactly what they want. Today’s fan mentality is “ I don’t care what anyone else likes if they don’t do exactly what I want them to do it sucks and how dare anyone have a different opinion” This! This is exactly right! I don't mean any offense to anyone here, but my least favorite thing about today's product, is the fans. I love wrestling and I love that we have the internet where we can all talk about wrestling, but there's sooo much negativity that I kinda hate even getting into the conversations with most people. Because , like you said, if they don't like it and it doesn't work out exactly how they wanted, then it sucks and no one else is allowed to like it. I personally dont buy any of this. Vince isnt perfect and never has been but the problem is and always will be the fans. You literally cant make them happy. The fans literally chose the champions they wanted after Mania and here we are a month later and people bitch about Kofi not being "champion like" or Becky gimmick getting stale or Ryder and Hawkins being boring and bringing the RAW titles down. It doesnt even stop at WWE either, even people are starting to crap on AEW and Double or Nothing and the show hasn't even happened yet. WWE is simply catered to a younger crowd and a more family friendly crowd. It's no longer the 18-25 Male demographic that it use to be. Times be a changin Just as I said to PJ above, this is exactly right! You can't please them. According to them, everyone they like should already be champion as soon as they make it to the main roster. And if the wrestlers that they like don't win or aren't always champion, then they're getting buried. > On Sami Zayn: “That’s not Sami Zayn’s promos. That’s Vince McMahon talking through Sami Zayn.” That awkward moment when it's the best promo work Sami Zayn's ever done. I'm really enjoying Sami's most recent string of promos. This seems silly, but at this point there is a part of me that honestly thinks Vince doesn’t want to pass the WWE to anybody when he’s gone. He’s trying to purposely kill the company. He told us all on Smackdown in early 2002 that he was gonna kill it, he was gonna kill what he created. Him....and the n W o lol. Maybe he's just taking his time lol.
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Post by marino13 on May 16, 2019 17:48:11 GMT -5
Before I start, I absolutely agree that WWE needs to be better. They got such a great roster, but they need to be utilized better. But... I also agree that fans are considerably harder to please nowadays. They're more worried with the backstage gossip than what's being presented on TV. They're more worried about complaining online about camera angles for 3 hours than actually watching the show. They want everything to happen overnight, but then complain we don't have any long term booking. They want dirt sheets to ruin plans days early, but then complain there aren't any surprises anymore. You're vilified if you say anything positive. You're laughed at if you're not constantly complaining. There are those that take the fun out of this hobby. They make places like this less fun. It's maybe partly WWE's fault for booking the corporation as the heel for the last 20 years. I think this has a lot to do with it as well. People only want to believe in the negative news and scoff at anything positive.
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Post by BSR on May 16, 2019 20:14:40 GMT -5
Yeah cause triple h will do so much better. Har har. People think that because of NXT, but that's not as hard to handle. He'll wind up champion. Nxt has a writing team. He's not solely responsible for anything other than it's his.
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Post by Rontaro13 on May 16, 2019 21:19:11 GMT -5
If Vince taking too many suggestions from the 40+ members of the writing team is what's making Raw unwatchable, then how about going back to the days when supposedly it was just Vince and 1-3 other people writing the shows. Vince & 3 people could write Raw, and 3 different people plus Vince can write Smackdown. I'd imagine it would heavily cut down on the other suggestions, and make writing the shows easier with such a small group of people. Hell the writing team might be able to go back to writing shows weeks in advance like years ago when the team was smaller. I see no reason to have 40+ people writing shows like Raw & Smackdown when it was done before with FAR less people.
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Post by k5 on May 16, 2019 22:23:16 GMT -5
I’m not going to deny that fans can be toxically negative, just as fans can be toxically positive. In terms of this forum, there are those who are vehemently toxic towards the product. but there’s also those who are utterly toxic toward their fellow member, and those second types are the ones who truly derail any type of productive debate from occurring.
to those who think there can’t be a product that is satisfying, there’s no question that not everyone, or even a mass majority, may be satisfied with one product that is attempting to adhere to a large variety of viewers. but a product like NXT shows that they’re capable of listening and delivering, and I think if we got more of that in the bigger product then we’d have a restoring of faith in the company.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on May 17, 2019 7:35:47 GMT -5
You're vilified if you say anything positive. You're laughed at if you're not constantly complaining. There are those that take the fun out of this hobby. They make places like this less fun. Nice try. Your post didn’t even have any complaints about Roman, you’re obviously a troll.
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Post by BaLoR RoLLiNS on May 17, 2019 10:00:40 GMT -5
It's all Kevin Dunns doing
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Post by mikey1974 on May 17, 2019 11:54:28 GMT -5
Completely agree. He needs to be a team player. You need people to keep you in check and push you to grow the best business possible. As much crap - and in some cases rightfully so - that The Cliq got back in the mid-90's, they had the balls and the pull to go right to Vince's face and tell him his ideas sucked. It took a little while (plus WCW kicking his ass), but he finally started to listen. I know Cena went to him about it a few years back and was blown off. Perhaps if you could get a bunch of the locker room leaders - Cena, Taker, Orton, Reigns, Rollins, Becky, Charlotte - along with Prichard, Shane,Steph,and Hunter to grab him,put him in a room,and tell him his ideas suck, or at the very least he needs to allow other people's imput ad ideas to make it into the shows, be the team player you suggest...maybe it would have an effect.
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Post by FUSamBaker on May 17, 2019 12:01:52 GMT -5
Entitled, whiny and insufferable fans are the problem. Not Vince. THIS! Can I also add that I’m tired of seeing people talk about “omg that wild card thing...” When probably the only reason it came about was the whole Andrade and Black being traded back to Smackdown. They’re trying to please so many people right now. Networks, fans, Fox, stocks, ratings, this and that...there is always someone throwing a wrench into their writing and storylines. I hated Brock, a lot of us did. But we still tuned in and gave ratings and dollars even if he was the champion. A lot of us hated Roman before that but we still tuned in and gave our time. I don’t really like the idea of AEW but hopefully those of you complaining about WWE programming will watch it just to shut the f*ck up 😂 If I were Mr. McMahon I’d be grateful there would be another company to watch to get y’all off my back! After all these years you crap on the poor old man. You don’t have to kiss his arse but he has dedicated his entire energy into the fans and you complain no matter who he puts the belts on.... Btw, I’d Vince really told Andrade to learn English, you don’t think that could be a major potential lawsuit? That’s a discriminatory remark. I HIGHLY doubt Vince is that gullible to say that to his face.
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Post by Hulkster2001 on May 17, 2019 12:22:40 GMT -5
Btw, I’d Vince really told Andrade to learn English, you don’t think that could be a major potential lawsuit? That’s a discriminatory remark. I HIGHLY doubt Vince is that gullible to say that to his face. Never heard that one before
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Post by TheLastDude on May 17, 2019 14:41:49 GMT -5
And none of us have the means to kill him, so...
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Post by kennyw86v2 on May 18, 2019 10:36:14 GMT -5
Meltzer is also saying that WWE is such huge fans of Almas that they are the ones paying for his English lessons. I guess Charlotte isnt good at teaching English... 100% I guarantee she screams out the cringiest 'papi' you'll ever hear.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on May 18, 2019 18:53:39 GMT -5
It's all Kevin Dunns doing Kevin Dunn was the biggest Internet heel in wrestling a year or two ago. Now he barely gets a mention. Vince has stolen all of his heat.
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Post by Codyverse: Tag Team Champion on May 22, 2019 18:25:48 GMT -5
Yeah...because there’s a ton of folks who could run a promotion of that size. For that long. And be that successful.
WCW died. TNA/Impact was never real competition. AEW won’t be either.
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Post by Jeremiah on May 22, 2019 20:54:56 GMT -5
Heck i just applied for a writing position. I can handle the pressure and that my ideas get turned down. I can play the bad guy
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Post by Chip on May 23, 2019 9:19:49 GMT -5
They're more worried about complaining online about camera angles for 3 hours than actually watching the show. ahem. the camera work in the WWE absolutely sucks. its a 100% valid complaint. its a major part of the problem with the product. does it stop me from watching? no. but its something that annoys the living hell out of me to no end, so im going to complain about it until they wake the up, realize its a terrible way to present a TV show, and fix it. ....i'll just see myself out now
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