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Post by Bandalero on Jun 12, 2019 14:54:38 GMT -5
Jericho has a great mind for the business plus he hasn't been afraid to take a leave of absence to do other things, then come back completely reinventing himself. Taker got backed into a corner because of the immense popularity of his character. Remember the backlash around ABA? We may look back fondly on it now but at the time it was seen as a huge mistake and they couldn't wait to erase it and bring back the dead man persona. Also, Jericho has adapted his wrestling style to something more conducive to his age, much like Ric Flair who was able to have great matches into his 60s. It's more about ring psychology and less about the moves they do. Taker and Goldberg showed at Super Showdown that as they got older, they needed to adapt their styles because it isn't as easy to do all the power moves that their younger selves made a living off of. Too easy to botch and seriously hurt someone someone trying to do what they should admit they can't do anymore. I have much respect for Taker and what he has done, but maybe a little bit more for Jericho who has shown over his career that he isn't blowing smoke up our ass when he says he is the best in the world at what he does. Extremely well said. Jericho understands this business and how to create longevity. He's probably also made the right investments over his career and could retire tomorrow if he wanted to. And now he's just having fun, while 'taker doesn't look like he's having fun at all. We all know Vince only cares about his creations, and it's fortunate/unfortunate that Mark stepped into this gimmick and did it so well, because it will literally be the death of him. That's some irony right there.
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Post by Thunder Chunky on Jun 12, 2019 17:05:50 GMT -5
Jericho has a beer gut and gets drunk constantly to yell at marks on Twitter and now has a crapty finisher to boot. Undertaker is, and will always be, a company guy with undying loyalty to the McMahon family. If he was so loyal, why did he sign up for Starcast? Something completely unrelated to WWE.
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Post by Edge618 on Jun 12, 2019 23:40:49 GMT -5
Honestly Taker was still pretty much himself 5 years ago at Mania 30. He was aging but still could go. As well as Jericho currently IMO. Its weird, ive noticed wrestler hit a wall at a certain age. Taker hit it at Mania 32 IMO. I wouldnt be surprised to see Jericho hit it in the next 5 years.
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Post by FLUX '97 on Jun 13, 2019 5:11:48 GMT -5
Jericho has a beer gut and gets drunk constantly to yell at marks on Twitter and now has a crapty finisher to boot. Undertaker is, and will always be, a company guy with undying loyalty to the McMahon family. If he was so loyal, why did he sign up for Starcast? Something completely unrelated to WWE. WWE employees do appearances at non-WWE events more often than you think. Corey Graves and Renee Young do appearances at some indie fed in the northeast at least once every one or two months.
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Post by Glorydaysofwrestling on Jun 13, 2019 5:49:16 GMT -5
5 years make a big difference when you start getting older, you’ll see lol. Plus Taker, being a much bigger guy is gonna have more knee/hip problems. Jericho has seemed to of found the fountain of youth. Wrestling the way he does for so long. I’m not sure if a career like Jericho’s had will ever be duplicated.
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Jun 13, 2019 7:21:05 GMT -5
I think the bottom line as to why Jericho still seems to be going strong and The Undertaker seems broken down and like a shell of his former self....it all boils down to injuries and physical condition.
I believe I heard or read and interview Jericho did recently where he said for as long as he's been in the business, he's NEVER had a surgery. I think that speaks volumes. He's just been able to hold up better physically than The Undertaker, who has suffered too many injuries and had too many surgeries to even count.
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Post by BØRNS on Jun 13, 2019 16:04:44 GMT -5
I think the bottom line as to why Jericho still seems to be going strong and The Undertaker seems broken down and like a shell of his former self....it all boils down to injuries and physical condition. I believe I heard or read and interview Jericho did recently where he said for as long as he's been in the business, he's NEVER had a surgery. I think that speaks volumes. He's just been able to hold up better physically than The Undertaker, who has suffered too many injuries and had too many surgeries to even count. He also has taken several sabbaticals for years at a time so that could only help him recover and rejuvenate in between runs.
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Post by FUSamBaker on Jun 13, 2019 16:21:24 GMT -5
Jericho is good but he’s not Undertaker. Don’t get me wrong he has great matches. However he could never do a WrestleMania Taker match on his best day. I always felt like Jericho was a hyped mid carder in a main event role.
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Post by weaseltv on Jun 14, 2019 4:56:17 GMT -5
How about Goldust, he's only a year younger than Taker, or HHH who's in between, or R-Truth who's a year younger than Jericho. I think Taker is more the anomaly in that he seems older than he is, while all the other guys seem like they could wrestle a decent match tomorrow if need be...
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Post by marino13 on Jun 14, 2019 11:36:32 GMT -5
Jericho just doesn't do it for me any more. I hear people ranting and raving about his current matches. Yet when I watch em, I'm like "meh". For his age, he can still hang, but it's not something I get excited to see anymore. And before anyone claims it's because he's not with WWE, I felt the same way the last few years of his WWE run. IMO his feuds with AJ, Ambrose, & Owens all fell flat when it came time to have the actual matches.
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Post by ecwrhino on Jun 14, 2019 12:11:49 GMT -5
Taker was a great big man at the time. Jericho is amazing all around. Both contributed a lot to the business but Taker is more of a "popular" character and nowadays is used as a fan service. Jericho can still put on great matches.
Two if my favorites.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Jun 14, 2019 12:45:53 GMT -5
Jericho is good but he’s not Undertaker. Don’t get me wrong he has great matches. However he could never do a WrestleMania Taker match on his best day. I always felt like Jericho was a hyped mid carder in a main event role. I think that’s the big reason Jericho has gone to AEW. He never quite made it as a true top guy in WWE, but he will be one in AEW.
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Post by FUSamBaker on Jun 14, 2019 13:26:52 GMT -5
Jericho is good but he’s not Undertaker. Don’t get me wrong he has great matches. However he could never do a WrestleMania Taker match on his best day. I always felt like Jericho was a hyped mid carder in a main event role. I think that’s the big reason Jericho has gone to AEW. He never quite made it as a true top guy in WWE, but he will be one in AEW. Yeah but he’s hardly in his prime anymore. Not saying he can’t go with the guys but he’s considerably older than the rest of AEW.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Jun 14, 2019 16:15:22 GMT -5
I think that’s the big reason Jericho has gone to AEW. He never quite made it as a true top guy in WWE, but he will be one in AEW. Yeah but he’s hardly in his prime anymore. Not saying he can’t go with the guys but he’s considerably older than the rest of AEW. He is, but I think that helps him stand out on that roster.
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Post by The American Daydream on Jun 14, 2019 16:34:00 GMT -5
Undertakers last good match was in 2013. His top 5 matches of all time were all from the late 90's and early 2000's so yeah he may have worked 10 years longer than Jericho but Jericho has done way more than him in the last decade and is still going. Still winning titles, still churning out laughs, still reinventing himself, still relevant and still putting on quality matches. Quality over quantity for me.
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Post by aggressiveperfectpoor on Jun 15, 2019 4:25:21 GMT -5
Big men don't always age as well either. Those knees take a toll.
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Post by greenjack1992 on Jun 15, 2019 4:45:21 GMT -5
I think it's their size and, as others have said, Jericho taking time off regularly.
Also, Jericho picks his spots. He's had a handful of matches in the last eighteen months and they've been the talk of the wrestling world:
Omega Naito Evil Naito Omega Okada
Undertaker didn't get a proper break from the full time schedule for more than twenty years
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Post by HandsomeHollywood on Jun 15, 2019 7:46:24 GMT -5
Jericho is definitely one of the greats to me. In my personal top 3 favorite wrestler, all-time. It's really incredible how few, if any, injuries he's had or caused. His constant reinventions are almost always good and well received. To me, he has two "bad" periods from a creative standpoint. Was and is always at least good in-ring on any given night, and can elevate others to good matches consistently.
Unfortunately I can't say most of the same things about Undertaker. Other factors to consider of course. In terms of his ability now, it's not just his age that is catching up to him, but also his size. Bigger guys who have athletic careers tend to break down easier. I'm surprised Undertaker still has his knees left, but his switch to the Last Ride for a few years definitely took some pressure off there.
Unpopular opinion: ABA Taker is my favorite Taker, both as a character and in-ring.
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Post by FLUX '97 on Jun 15, 2019 7:58:08 GMT -5
I think it's their size and, as others have said, Jericho taking time off regularly. Also, Jericho picks his spots. He's had a handful of matches in the last eighteen months and they've been the talk of the wrestling world: Omega Naito Evil Naito Omega Okada Undertaker didn't get a proper break from the full time schedule for more than twenty years Omega/Jericho II and Okada/Jericho were both incredibly mediocre, but that's besides the point.
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Post by Tim of thee on Jun 15, 2019 12:26:34 GMT -5
Jericho is the best of all time. "Go your asses" Need that on a shirt
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