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Post by FLUX on Jun 13, 2019 5:13:44 GMT -5
Ten years ago, the talent pool was  ing garbage. That's all that's really different. |
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Jun 13, 2019 6:44:39 GMT -5
also forgot that all i ever do is complain. Your memory must be awful, Chip - that’s the easiest thing in the world to remember! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2019 9:03:09 GMT -5
10 years ago the wwe creative was pretty bad. 10 years later it's much worse! People seem to forget this, except for Orton’s RTWM, Taker/HBK at WM25, Y2J/Mysterio feud and Punk’s heel turn, 2009 pretty much sucked 🤷🏽♂️ Also I find it hilarious that OP made a thread because his post got ignored in the SmackDown thread 😂 not everything needs to be a thread, guys... 🤦🏽♂️ Watch in 10 years people will complain how much wwe sucks in 2029 and how awesome it used to be in 2019 😂 |
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Post by Rated [R] NinJa on Jun 13, 2019 10:49:19 GMT -5
People seem to forget this, except for Orton’s RTWM, Taker/HBK at WM25, Y2J/Mysterio feud and Punk’s heel turn, 2009 pretty much sucked 🤷🏽♂️ Also I find it hilarious that OP made a thread because his post got ignored in the SmackDown thread 😂 not everything needs to be a thread, guys... 🤦🏽♂️ Watch in 10 years people will complain how much wwe sucks in 2029 and how awesome it used to be in 2019 😂 “2019 WaS gOoD cAuSe ThEy HaD aEw As CoMpEtItIoN”  |
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Post by LA Times on Jun 13, 2019 10:58:17 GMT -5
10 years ago the wwe creative was pretty bad. 10 years later it's much worse! People seem to forget this, except for Orton’s RTWM, Taker/HBK at WM25, Y2J/Mysterio feud and Punk’s heel turn, 2009 pretty much sucked 🤷🏽♂️ Also I find it hilarious that OP made a thread because his post got ignored in the SmackDown thread 😂 not everything needs to be a thread, guys... 🤦🏽♂️ I have 2009 as one of the worst years in WWE history but 2019 is on pace to get there as well. |
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Post by K5 on Jun 13, 2019 11:18:26 GMT -5
Watch in 10 years people will complain how much wwe sucks in 2029 and how awesome it used to be in 2019 😂 “2019 WaS gOoD cAuSe ThEy HaD aEw As CoMpEtItIoN” the attitude era, despite having some seriously trash moments, deserves its nostalgia as huge things were happening in the business and revolutionizing the product all culminating with Austin/Rock at wmx7. but 2009? c’mon. pretty sure there was way more complaining then - we didn’t have near the roster we do now, and most of the stars were beaten down and in the twilight of their careers. Super Cena was still at full charge. and we didn’t have NXT to just cut off from the main product with. rose tinted glasses to say the least. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2019 16:31:08 GMT -5
“2019 WaS gOoD cAuSe ThEy HaD aEw As CoMpEtItIoN” the attitude era, despite having some seriously trash moments, deserves its nostalgia as huge things were happening in the business and revolutionizing the product all culminating with Austin/Rock at wmx7. but 2009? c’mon. pretty sure there was way more complaining then - we didn’t have near the roster we do now, and most of the stars were beaten down and in the twilight of their careers. Super Cena was still at full charge. and we didn’t have NXT to just cut off from the main product with. rose tinted glasses to say the least. 2009 was the year when those God-awful weekly celebrity guest hosts happened! Also DX was being watered down more so than 2006(another awful wwe year) |
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Jun 13, 2019 16:35:58 GMT -5
10 years ago you had guest hosts and the product was more unwatchable than it us now.
Give me 2019 over 2009 any day.
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Post by Kill Em' All on Jun 13, 2019 16:42:40 GMT -5
SmackDown in 2009 was very entertaining, and Raw before the Guest Host bs.
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Post by Kill Em' All on Jun 13, 2019 16:50:44 GMT -5
Ten years ago, the talent pool was ing garbage. That's all that's really different. Edge, Chris Jericho, Randy Orton, Batista, John Cena, The Undertaker, Cm Punk, Jeff Hardy all felt much more effective then today's main event scene. Cena was getting pretty stale at this point. But, I think you had much better main event scene. Main Event storyline's had a direction and a organization. Today's product is unpredictable to the point of, it makes no sense. Today's main event scene has Rollins and Styles as steady and weight pulling main eventers. Kofi's reign, as much as I support is not treated as big deal. Kevin Owens is just reoccurring supporting character with Ziggler. Strowman continues to be kicked down the tubes. Roman Reigns just can't get over with a adult audience. And has John Cena effect, but is nowhere as big of a star. Lesnar is a plague. Yeah, we have never seen so many god given talented people on roster. It's amazing the WWE roster. But, over saturated product with zero story direction just flat out sucks. Yeah, 2009's mid card was s*** storm. And had no organization, and today's mid card is beautiful. But, nothing gives you reason to tune back in next week. |
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Post by marino13 on Jun 13, 2019 18:12:33 GMT -5
My wrestling motto is... "You take the good, you take the bad, you take them both, and there you have the Facts of Life WWE."
There has never been a time I was 100% happy with the product. Regardless of the roster. 10 years/20 years/30 years, it doesn't matter. There's always someone on top I don't like, there's always someone I wish won more, there always storylines that zig when I thought they should have zagged. But even when things aren't great, I can still find parts in the product that I do enjoy. I'm a fan regardless. Constant complaining online gets you nowhere.
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Post by marino13 on Jun 13, 2019 18:21:13 GMT -5
I remember when they use to do promos for months leading to someone's debut. They'd build hype to get the crowd more invested in the character. IMO that's exactly what they're doing with Aleister now. They're giving the crowd time to get to know who he is. They're actually giving him a character. And yet we still get the constant... "WWE has no idea what to do with him".
Bryan's right. The fans are fickle. They want character, they want purpose, then when we finally get it, it's taken too long and the sky is falling. Sigh... SMH.
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Post by Chip on Jun 13, 2019 18:45:40 GMT -5
I remember when they use to do promos for months leading to someone's debut. They'd build hype to get the crowd more invested in the character. IMO that's exactly what they're doing with Aleister now. They're giving the crowd time to get to know who he is. They're actually giving him a character. And yet we still get the constant... "WWE has no idea what to do with him". Bryan's right. The fans are fickle. They want character, they want purpose, then when we finally get it, it's taken too long and the sky is falling. Sigh... SMH. i think the problem some fans have with this Black thing is that the 2 months before Wrestlemania they called him & Ricochet up from NXT literally out of nowhere. They were tag teaming every single week on BOTH shows. Then after Wrestlemania they were "drafted", Ric has been on every week killing it in the ring and Black is....... cutting backstage vignette promos. It just feels WEIRD. Like, technically we already know who he is because he's been on TV and Cole has told us how "moody" he was, Corey always saying he's a "dark guy" and the "most feared striker in the WWE" blah blah. So they are kind of hitting the reset button....ok, but the issue is that we've seen how almost every single guy coming from NXT has been treated the last few years for every Rollins, Owens, Sami there's 5 Tye, EC3's & Viking Experience. So by them pulling back on Black the way they have just letting him cut (good) promos people are getting worried he's just gonna get lost in the endless shuffle of nothing that most booking is nowadays. Personally I'm with you, I completely am enjoying the Black stuff, because its giving him somewhat of a character voice that he hasn't had yet. And I'm anxious to see who they are going to have his first feud be. I said from the first time I ever saw a match of his in NXT that he is going to be a MEGA star in this company....the dude just flat out has "IT", but I can't get over the little sparks of fear I still have about the way the company is run and he's just gonna end up like Nakamura within a year and nobody will care. |
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Post by TheSystem 1.5 on Jun 13, 2019 19:31:03 GMT -5
I remember when they use to do promos for months leading to someone's debut. They'd build hype to get the crowd more invested in the character. IMO that's exactly what they're doing with Aleister now. They're giving the crowd time to get to know who he is. They're actually giving him a character. And yet we still get the constant... "WWE has no idea what to do with him". The ol’ Kizarny method |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2019 19:48:30 GMT -5
My wrestling motto is... "You take the good, you take the bad, you take them both, and there you have the Facts of Life WWE." There has never been a time I was 100% happy with the product. Regardless of the roster. 10 years/20 years/30 years, it doesn't matter. There's always someone on top I don't like, there's always someone I wish won more, there always storylines that zig when I thought they should have zagged. But even when things aren't great, I can still find parts in the product that I do enjoy. I'm a fan regardless. Constant complaining online gets you nowhere. The last year I was 100 percent happy with the product was 2000. To me there's been more bad than good since 2001. |
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Post by Chip on Jun 13, 2019 20:23:21 GMT -5
and add to all this im tired of the narrative that wrestling fan "bitching" is petty, useless, dumb and the only thing thats actually wrong with the product. people seem to forget the reasons WHY people complain about something to begin with. id like to wager a large bet that the MAJORITY of complaints about the WWE currently are from people who actually want the product to be better...and not just by their own ideas. They recognize the good but its being completely buried by lame decisions, corporate advertising managers and just an overall theme of overselling. It's not just "make Reigns job and Drew should be World Champ forever" yes it can come across that way, and sure some people really are like that. but speaking for myself, my own complaints are not just for my own selfish wants, they are about things that i can SEE happening. i've been watching this damn company since 1991. thats coming up on 30 YEARS of viewing and being a fan. when i was a kid or even a teen watching there were things i didnt like too....but the TIME has changed now, perspectives are different and the world we live in is different. pretty much 98% of the active roster in the WWE is made up of people who are EXACTLY LIKE ME in the way that they grew up with the business too. they arent just trying to do something to kill their time. they love it as much as the next....and when they are being held back from doing what they love because the company cares more about a handful of guys to "please the network", handcuff their natural abilities to connect with an audience by win/lose/win/lose/win/lose and script every promo word for word....its frustrating. im sure there is a good percent of bitching fans that are just either trolling or doing it because they legitimately have a problem in their own head. but its NOT everyone, its NOT everything, and in regards to my own head, maybe I've gone overboard a few times over the years but that's more a product of a build up with a lot of things and not just because i dont know what im talking about. i also have gone WAY out of my way at times to praise things, look at silver linings, try to reason out something good out of a specific scenario and even changed my opinion (GASP!!!!) on some things after a little time. Thats part of being a ing FAN of this business, whether you like it or not. Everything isn't roses & fluffy marshmallows and NOT just because I listen to podcasts or think I know better than the "writers". |
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Post by OTC Waxbender on Jun 13, 2019 21:10:00 GMT -5
*reads every spoiler and rumor thread on the internet*
"iTs sO pREdiCtAbLE"
*still shocked at Lesnar coming back again*
These people are the Kyles of the IWC.
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Post by TheSystem 1.5 on Jun 13, 2019 22:29:26 GMT -5
*reads every spoiler and rumor thread on the internet* "iTs sO pREdiCtAbLE" *still shocked at Lesnar coming back again* These people are the Kyles of the IWC.  |
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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Jun 14, 2019 23:16:13 GMT -5
I feel like ten years ago there was a wave on the horizon, and not a good one.
When I started watching in 2005 the baddest men on the roster were all veterans who had spent the whole of the 1990s either clawing their way to the top or were reigning from atop the mountain as the most impressive performers in the game. But then 2010 comes along and you see that for the most part, everyone on top is the same as they were five years before. This wouldn't be as big of a problem considering how many of those top stars had been on the main roster since ten years earlier. I always look back to WrestleMania 20 and the following year's Royal Rumble in 2005. WrestleMania 20 reflected the shift in the stars as Austin had stopped wrestling the year before and this would be the Rock's last mania for 8 years, and Lesnar's last for 8 years.
So you have two of your biggest stars ever leaving as well as the main wrestler you had pushed to the moon, not to mention various other talents leaving.
Then in 2005 you saw the rise of three guys. John Cena, Batista, and Edge. Two being pushed as mega faces, one becoming a top heel in his own way.
And to think only one last past 2012 is insanely sad. Yes Batista came back twice, but that's not the same as having a dependable star for over a decade.
It reflects how resistant Vince has been to building new stars. I think it's related to times he's built up stars who have "turned on him" later.
It's a shame how everyone is having to work twice as hard to get half the reaction or support from the higher ups.
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Post by greenjack1992 on Jun 15, 2019 4:31:00 GMT -5
The show turned to dog crapin 2007 and has never recovered. SmackDown! was decent during 2009 when Jeff Hardy was the most over baby face and Edge was the most over heel in the company, but that's it.
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