@AnHonorablePod
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Post by @AnHonorablePod on Jun 28, 2019 21:04:28 GMT -5
It's actually the complete opposite of your very first sentence. tell me how so? sure, there’s a lot of people grinding with multiple jobs that have spots on indies. but in terms of the amount of people who are actually making living wages by being a professional wrestler? you can’t really suggest that there is near that many professional wrestlers making their living in the United States as there was during the territory days when nearly every state had a thriving promotion, the first wwf boom, or the late 90s where people’s appetite was insatiable for anything wrestling. perhaps i’m wrong, as you’re suggesting. I’m interested in your take on it. Let's not disqualify everyone currently working for WWE, who presently has more wrestlers under contract full time than ever before. Sure some wrestlers on the indies work day jobs but many are making 20-30 grand a year through pro wrestling tees and live event merch sales. Let's then talk AEW guys who for the most part employ people on a full time basis. Ring of Honor does the same with several roster guys making close to 300 grand a year factoring in royalties and merch. We must disqualify people who have business ventures like cigar companies, their own promotion, their own school, host a podcast, etc. Nick Aldis, James Storm, Eli Drake all are paid full time rates through the NWA. Point being wrestling shows operate 7 days a week in the states now and between streaming services and merchandise we are in a whole new world where there are less promotions offering full time wages but more individuals making a full time living, supporting themselves(which let's be honest many wrestlers aren't married for smart reasons), or their families.
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Post by greenjack1992 on Jun 29, 2019 12:08:54 GMT -5
I would say there is a tonne of NXT & WWE guys who didn't make it big on the indies prior to joining, and there always will be. AEW will certainly be a lucrative offer for lots of indie talent, but look at guys like Will Ospreay who has just permanently moved to Japan - his girlfriend is signed to AEW and you would expect someone like him to be top of the list of signings but he wants to be full time at NJPW. The thing is there's loads of choice now, but no one company is sweeping everyone up. Everyone will be fine.
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LuisTX
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Post by LuisTX on Jul 21, 2019 16:26:38 GMT -5
People who actually think AEW is going to affect WWE's business is just forcing themselves to believe something they personally want to see happen for whatever reason. Why supposed wrestling fans encourage the closing of a wrestling company is beyond me. Besides, we've all seen countless companies try to do the same. If AEW followers really want them to succeed, try just talking about them without constantly bringing up another company.
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Post by LK3 on Jul 21, 2019 18:51:13 GMT -5
People who actually think AEW is going to affect WWE's business is just forcing themselves to believe something they personally want to see happen for whatever reason. Why supposed wrestling fans encourage the closing of a wrestling company is beyond me. Besides, we've all seen countless companies try to do the same. If AEW followers really want them to succeed, try just talking about them without constantly bringing up another company. The same can be said for those who don't want AEW to succeed. Everyone should want all wresting companies to succeed. As soon as there's two companies getting major time slots on major networks it's like, well who's gonna win? Let's have them both win.
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TheEvilDoink1987
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Post by TheEvilDoink1987 on Jul 21, 2019 19:25:12 GMT -5
People who actually think AEW is going to affect WWE's business is just forcing themselves to believe something they personally want to see happen for whatever reason. Why supposed wrestling fans encourage the closing of a wrestling company is beyond me. Besides, we've all seen countless companies try to do the same. If AEW followers really want them to succeed, try just talking about them without constantly bringing up another company. I don't wish WWE to put AEW out of business nor do I wish to see AEW to put WWE out of business. Like most people, I just want a little variety and having healthy competition will only make the content more enjoyable. WWE has needed a kick in the ass for the longest time now so all wrestling fans should hope AEW becomes even remotely successful to get them to put out a more compelling product. It's a shame how bland the product has become despite the talent pool being potentially deeper than it ever has in the history of the company. If AEW succeeds then I think WWE will only become better as well. We should all be hoping for that.
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Post by Joey Cush on Jul 21, 2019 21:46:29 GMT -5
No company will ever put WWE out of business, except WWE. Like saying XFL would put NFL out of business.
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Post by BØRNS on Jul 21, 2019 22:16:05 GMT -5
No company will ever put WWE out of business, except WWE. Like saying XFL would put NFL out of business. Yes, that is what Jim Ross said...
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Post by greenjack1992 on Jul 22, 2019 15:42:39 GMT -5
WWE is fine. NXT is fine. Neither will be affected any more then Impact or ROH have affected them. (Or is it effected? I never can get those words right) Affect is the verb, effect is the noun. "Reducing the use of single-use plastics will affect climate change." "Reducing the use of single-use plastics is having an effect on climate change." Sorry, I'm an English teacher, I can't help helping when I see a question.
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Post by IRS on Jul 23, 2019 1:21:45 GMT -5
There's new talent breaking through every day. AEW doesn't have the infrastructure WWE does to constantly sign every hot new name. The PC is constantly developing new people. NXT will be fine.
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Post by hbkjason on Jul 23, 2019 11:17:20 GMT -5
I really do not see AEW having any impact on NXT. To be honest with you the die hard AEW supporters are turning me off the product big time
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Post by marino13 on Jul 25, 2019 8:33:40 GMT -5
New rumor suggest that they will be merging NXT & 205 Live to go on FS1 at the same time as AEW.
Hope they also bring in the occasional UK talent, because I'd love to see Dunne vs Gulak & Bate vs Gable.
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Post by rkfastmo on Jul 25, 2019 12:07:00 GMT -5
New rumor suggest that they will be merging NXT & 205 Live to go on FS1 at the same time as AEW. Hope they also bring in the occasional UK talent, because I'd love to see Dunne vs Gulak & Bate vs Gable. That would be cool to see, and would answer some people's wishes. I have to say, if AEW was as far off Vince's radar as some staunch WWE supporters claim it to be, combining the best wrestling WWE has (under Hunter's control) and putting it squarely against the rival company is a funny way of showing it.
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Newsted
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Post by Newsted on Jul 25, 2019 22:15:24 GMT -5
There's a simple solution to all of this, don't watch any of it.
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Post by Kill Em' All on Jul 27, 2019 16:15:59 GMT -5
I think it's benefits both parties if both go head to head. AEW will test it's waters on how good it can do competing with WWE. If it can beat the junior brand, it don't mean it can beat the big times. But it has leg to stand on. WWE can see how over NXT can get with main stream audiences.
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Post by The Natural Eddy Valintino on Jul 27, 2019 17:26:05 GMT -5
New rumor suggest that they will be merging NXT & 205 Live to go on FS1 at the same time as AEW. Hope they also bring in the occasional UK talent, because I'd love to see Dunne vs Gulak & Bate vs Gable. That would be cool to see, and would answer some people's wishes. I have to say, if AEW was as far off Vince's radar as some staunch WWE supporters claim it to be, combining the best wrestling WWE has (under Hunter's control) and putting it squarely against the rival company is a funny way of showing it. Personally, i feel they wouldnt be if AEW would have just kept their mouths shut about WWE from the beginning. But they wanted to poke the bear, so now WWE is doing things to attack.
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Post by rkfastmo on Jul 27, 2019 19:07:58 GMT -5
That would be cool to see, and would answer some people's wishes. I have to say, if AEW was as far off Vince's radar as some staunch WWE supporters claim it to be, combining the best wrestling WWE has (under Hunter's control) and putting it squarely against the rival company is a funny way of showing it. Personally, i feel they wouldnt be if AEW would have just kept their mouths shut about WWE from the beginning. But they wanted to poke the bear, so now WWE is doing things to attack. To me, Vince comes off as too paranoid, too petty, and too obsessive to allow any competitor with a major TV deal let lie, regardless of whether they "start something". I would figure a company with as much a headstart, resources, fanbase, reach, and pedigree has more than enough to maintain their stranglehold on the industry without actively trying to suppress some indie startup with deepish pockets. But maybe that's me. I'll just be counting the days and waiting for when AEW does premiere and the inevitable LOLZ about the numbers they pull.
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Post by The Natural Eddy Valintino on Jul 27, 2019 21:59:09 GMT -5
Personally, i feel they wouldnt be if AEW would have just kept their mouths shut about WWE from the beginning. But they wanted to poke the bear, so now WWE is doing things to attack. To me, Vince comes off as too paranoid, too petty, and too obsessive to allow any competitor with a major TV deal let lie, regardless of whether they "start something". I would figure a company with as much a headstart, resources, fanbase, reach, and pedigree has more than enough to maintain their stranglehold on the industry without actively trying to suppress some indie startup with deepish pockets. But maybe that's me. I'll just be counting the days and waiting for when AEW does premiere and the inevitable LOLZ about the numbers they pull. You do have a good point, though I still believe WWE would not have given too much of a crap about AEW in the beginning. And honestly, putting NXT, which a small percentage of the main WWE audience watches, is not really going to hurt AEW that much. If they really wanted to stop AEW from having a chance to grow, they would have done something bigger than NXT to hurt them. Being as NXT would be on FS1 (big plus for that channel BTW since they lost the UFC product, which was a big bulk of their content), I could see NXT and AEW having the same ratings, maybe some weeks AEW beats NXT and vice versa. NXT cause of the smaller channel, AEW for the starting/smaller fan base. I'm looking forward to AEW's debut show. I will always say them going two hours is a huge mistake. They should have started with an one hour TV show, build the ratings up to justify the two hours afterward. Then again, I've been seeing some stuff about how they're doing business that are making them look amateur/almost TNA like.
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Post by rkfastmo on Jul 27, 2019 23:41:18 GMT -5
To me, Vince comes off as too paranoid, too petty, and too obsessive to allow any competitor with a major TV deal let lie, regardless of whether they "start something". I would figure a company with as much a headstart, resources, fanbase, reach, and pedigree has more than enough to maintain their stranglehold on the industry without actively trying to suppress some indie startup with deepish pockets. But maybe that's me. I'll just be counting the days and waiting for when AEW does premiere and the inevitable LOLZ about the numbers they pull. You do have a good point, though I still believe WWE would not have given too much of a crap about AEW in the beginning. And honestly, putting NXT, which a small percentage of the main WWE audience watches, is not really going to hurt AEW that much. If they really wanted to stop AEW from having a chance to grow, they would have done something bigger than NXT to hurt them. Being as NXT would be on FS1 (big plus for that channel BTW since they lost the UFC product, which was a big bulk of their content), I could see NXT and AEW having the same ratings, maybe some weeks AEW beats NXT and vice versa. NXT cause of the smaller channel, AEW for the starting/smaller fan base. I'm looking forward to AEW's debut show. I will always say them going two hours is a huge mistake. They should have started with an one hour TV show, build the ratings up to justify the two hours afterward. Then again, I've been seeing some stuff about how they're doing business that are making them look amateur/almost TNA like. While an NXT show may not draw enough to make a crushing blow to AEW's confidence, I believe it will position their NXT fans who would be most likely to support AEW to have to choose, in an effort to bleed away possible viewers. Then there would be the bragging point if WWE's developmental/ third brand could beat the competition's best efforts. If this does become a reality I'm hoping NXT can get some replay time. FOX Sports have 48 hours a day to fill counting both channels, and like you said, they gave away a ton to land WWE's contract. UFC, Supercross, Monster Jam, Endurance Sportscar coverage, etc. And yes, I do agree that the aspect of most importance should be perfecting their own product. They need to show that there are enough people who demand a wrestling company other than the 'E. And they need to prove to sponsors that their audience is sustainable and their program can be a valuable asset. If they can accomplish this in an environment where the WWE seems to take up all the oxygen in the room, that would be the true success.
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hollywood4life
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Post by hollywood4life on Sept 14, 2019 22:15:27 GMT -5
if you dont think aew could affect wwe 😂
maybe not off the bat but if they signed cm punk and a couple guys they could be on there heels
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Post by tylerbreezee on Sept 15, 2019 8:26:16 GMT -5
if you dont think aew could affect wwe 😂 maybe not off the bat but if they signed cm punk and a couple guys they could be on there heels TNA signed a prime Kurt Angle, did nothing. Signed Booker T fresh off a main event run, did nothing. Kevin Nash and Scott Hall, did nothing. A peak popularity Jeff Hardy in 2010, nothing. HULK HOGAN.... Once again, did NOTHING. It doesn’t matter who they sign, if the product is bad, the production is bad, and the storylines they produce are bad, people won’t watch.
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