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Post by The Sexy Psychotic on Jun 28, 2019 3:36:15 GMT -5
It'll be interesting to see if Vince actually gives these guys some space though, if they just end up being more cooks in the kitchen then it's more wasted ideas and talent.
Also interesting to see where Prichard is in all of this, is he on the same level as Heyman/Bisch??
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Post by greenjack1992 on Jun 28, 2019 4:29:59 GMT -5
5 changes I'd like to see first and foremost... 1) Redraft talent. Figure out who would benefit the most and move them there. Bischoff has said he's not a fan of tag team wrestling, but I believe Heyman is. Use that. 2) End the Wildcard rule immediately. Make the brand split matter. Only unified champions should be allowed to appear on both shows. 3) Write months worth of stories out. Where is this headed? What's the payoff? Who benefits? What is our WM main event and how do we get there? 4) Give each show a different feel. Different stages, different music, different camera angles. No reason both shows need to be identical. 5) Redesign the championships titles to feel more unique from each other. Not everything needs a giant WWE logo in the center. I think you're asking for a lot there! I'd like to see a new version of the draft that mirrors footy, where there's a tranfer window during which time GMs can try to sign wrestlers away from the other brands, and we see kayfabe rumours and negotiations. It would make far more sense than having blokes just turning up on the other show and that means they're on that roster, and some times it all happens in one night and other times it happens over weeks like it did this year. A transfer window of four weeks would be great. Definitely agree with you about the wildcard rule: If Seth and Kofi are both going to be on every programme, why not just have one champion who appears on both? And long-term writing is essential. If you think about the writing staff they have who all come from Hollywood and telly, that's how they're used to writing anyway! The reason things never make sense is because Vince thinks we have ADHD.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2019 5:33:48 GMT -5
I'd love to get excited over Paul Heyman being head of a creative team, but if his ideas will have to go through Vince first then it will likely be the new ecw all over again with them butting heads before Heyman gets ousted again. I'll continue my break from watching wwe until someone tells me it's getting better.
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Post by Vamp55 on Jun 28, 2019 5:54:50 GMT -5
I saw a comment from Bischoff that he believe the current TV product is basically too perfect. Not referring to the writing, but rather TV production. It’s so glossy it’s predictable. I kinda think he is right. You don’t need to watch, it’s the same thing every week - we don’t even have pyro... a little bit of grit isn’t going to hurt.
I kinda look at this way, at least it is a move. Both Bischoff and Heyman have proven history (Vince does too, so that doesn’t really say much) to make quality TV. I’m a fan, and I’ll see where it goes.
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Post by marino13 on Jun 28, 2019 10:17:47 GMT -5
Another reason why this should be applauded.... They hired people with actual wrestling experience. They didn't hire Tony Jones from All My Children to oversee all of WWE. They've hired Paul Heyman & Eric Bischoff! And a few months ago Jeff Jarrett & Bruce Prichard. Sure each has flaws, but each have tons and tons of experience in the wrestling business.
And I keep seeing people saying "Well Vince is still in charge, so nothings gonna change". But Vince was in charge when Heyman ran SD. And it's arguably the best SD has ever been.
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Post by Funk The Revival on Jun 28, 2019 10:49:13 GMT -5
I'd like nothing more than them to turn the brand split in to 2003's version. Nothing kills current day TV more for me than having the shows interlope. Undertaker is the only one I can accept appearing on both. There is so much talent, if distributed evenly with two people heading different creative directions, the ratings may not change but the quality sure will
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Post by kingnothing ~ Hardwired... on Jun 29, 2019 6:32:36 GMT -5
Another reason why this should be applauded.... They hired people with actual wrestling experience. They didn't hire Tony Jones from All My Children to oversee all of WWE. They've hired Paul Heyman & Eric Bischoff! And a few months ago Jeff Jarrett & Bruce Prichard. Sure each has flaws, but each have tons and tons of experience in the wrestling business. And I keep seeing people saying "Well Vince is still in charge, so nothings gonna change". But Vince was in charge when Heyman ran SD. And it's arguably the best SD has ever been. When Jarrett and Prichard came back I was interested, but now I’m floored, for the exact reason you mentioned. Now, the big thing everyone keeps talking about is that they’ll both have to answer to Vince so Vince will continue rewriting shows up to and during them. While I can’t say that won’t happen, look at the two guys involved here. They’ve both worked behind the scenes with Vince in the past, with Heyman dealing with writing. I’m sure the money offer was amazing, but both guys had plenty going on. They both know they’re not going to change VKM unless he himself is changing. And I just can’t see both of these guys, at their age, willingly walking into that kind of headache just for a brand new position created for them and a nice big dollar sign unless there’s something we don’t know.
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Post by JTG on Jun 29, 2019 10:55:27 GMT -5
This could be really great for the company if they go about doing things properly here and they aren't just putting this news out to generate buzz when in reality Bischoff and Heyman have no true power. Not to say that Vince goes entirely hands off, as I think we all know that's a pretty slim chance. I am however hoping that Heyman and Bischoff have considerable control over the direction of both shows where Vince is included but ultimately is just kept in the loop, only involving himself for major points of contention...whatever that might be. I would love to see WWE treat both shows differently in terms of production, direction, and storytelling under the tutelage of these men. It's a very interesting time to be a wrestling fan again and I truly hope that this is a turning point for WWE, but I can only see that happening if drastic changes are made to their process.
At the very least, I'm interested to check out the weekly shows once Heyman and Bischoff's tenure officially starts. I'm just getting kind of tired of hearing WWE acknowledging that change needs to happen, followed by false promises only for the product to continuously churn out repetitive and poor storytelling. As a fan I'll continue to follow what they do, but can't guarantee I'll continue tune into their shows (which is already rare for me) or buy tickets when they come to town unless positive change comes to pass. With that said, kudos to them for trying. I just really hope it works out this time.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2019 14:07:37 GMT -5
This is incredibly intriguing to me. I haven’t watched weekly in a couple weeks and only watched less than half of stomping grounds. I’m glad they’re trying something newish
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Post by Darkhawk on Jun 29, 2019 18:23:10 GMT -5
Crazy to know that the founders of ECW, WCW and TNA are working with Vince in helping them get better and compete against AEW.
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Jun 29, 2019 18:32:53 GMT -5
Crazy to know that the founders of ECW, WCW and TNA are working with Vince in helping them get better and compete against AEW. Yeah it's as if the past and present have united to prevent the future.
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Post by kingnothing ~ Hardwired... on Jun 30, 2019 9:30:04 GMT -5
This could be really great for the company if they go about doing things properly here and they aren't just putting this news out to generate buzz when in reality Bischoff and Heyman have no true power. Not to say that Vince goes entirely hands off, as I think we all know that's a pretty slim chance. I am however hoping that Heyman and Bischoff have considerable control over the direction of both shows where Vince is included but ultimately is just kept in the loop, only involving himself for major points of contention...whatever that might be. I would love to see WWE treat both shows differently in terms of production, direction, and storytelling under the tutelage of these men. It's a very interesting time to be a wrestling fan again and I truly hope that this is a turning point for WWE, but I can only see that happening if drastic changes are made to their process. At the very least, I'm interested to check out the weekly shows once Heyman and Bischoff's tenure officially starts. I'm just getting kind of tired of hearing WWE acknowledging that change needs to happen, followed by false promises only for the product to continuously churn out repetitive and poor storytelling. As a fan I'll continue to follow what they do, but can't guarantee I'll continue tune into their shows (which is already rare for me) or buy tickets when they come to town unless positive change comes to pass. With that said, kudos to them for trying. I just really hope it works out this time. I remember the day Vince and the kids came out and said that they weren’t giving us what we deserved. It’s been what, over 6 months now? I wonder how long they’ve been trying to put this together with Paul and Eric? It’s funny, but I feel Vince takes his time on a lot of things to make sure they get done correctly, except the main two shows on television. Crazy to know that the founders of ECW, WCW and TNA are working with Vince in helping them get better and compete against AEW. Yeah it's as if the past and present have united to prevent the future. Can’t look at the “then, now, forever” tagline the same anymore.
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Post by kennyw86v2 on Jun 30, 2019 14:10:49 GMT -5
But still answering to the ancient one
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Post by The American Daydream on Jul 1, 2019 11:32:16 GMT -5
I highly doubt 2 people are going to change the WWE when the one who owns it doesn't want it to change.
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Post by kingnothing ~ Hardwired... on Jul 1, 2019 12:23:20 GMT -5
I highly doubt 2 people are going to change the WWE when the one who owns it doesn't want it to change. While I appreciate your opinion, I must ask, why create the positions and hire these 2 if the status quo is more than good enough for Vince? A short term ratings hike for the cost of hiring Paul and Eric just doesn’t make much sense.
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Jul 1, 2019 12:33:21 GMT -5
Seems like McMahon is setting them up as scapegoats.
Vince McMahon still has 100% total control and final decision making power, so it really doesn't matter what Heyman and Bischoff do or how good they are. If Vince doesn't like it, it's not going to make TV. Vince McMahon's writers have always been tasked with providing him a show that HE wants to see, not necessarily the show that his FANS want to see.
I just have the feeling that 6 months from now we are going to be reading about how Heyman and Bischoff have "stepped down" from their positions and the McMahon's can do another fake apology tour like in December when they blamed it all on Baron Corbin and make the WWE Universe the "new Authority".
That lasted about 2 weeks and we were back to the same old sh*t.
It is what it is, and it's always going to be this way until Vince McMahon is dead.
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Post by LA Times on Jul 1, 2019 12:36:43 GMT -5
Crazy to know that the founders of ECW, WCW and TNA are working with Vince in helping them get better and compete against AEW. Thats because the WWE sucks so bad now, he needs their help to make his shows better. We have seen far more examples of copying what killed those companies than copying what made them successful.
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Post by ASR (therockisback) on Jul 1, 2019 18:16:00 GMT -5
The two guys responsible for a lot of WCW, ECW and SD's success running RAW/SD is actually groundbreaking news. The fact that WWE released a official press statement proves that this big move could have huge potential for a better product.
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Post by ASR (therockisback) on Jul 1, 2019 18:20:10 GMT -5
Forgot to say that I doubt we'll see a major change on the product asap but maybe by the end the year or next years WM.
I doubt Easy E or Paul E would except the deals knowing that Vince will piss em off by being in fully control over them 24/7 and by killing off all their major ideas tbh. Apparently both of them have big power similar to HHH in NXT which is crazy news.
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Post by The American Daydream on Jul 1, 2019 18:31:37 GMT -5
I highly doubt 2 people are going to change the WWE when the one who owns it doesn't want it to change. While I appreciate your opinion, I must ask, why create the positions and hire these 2 if the status quo is more than good enough for Vince? A short term ratings hike for the cost of hiring Paul and Eric just doesn’t make much sense. Idk for certain because I don't know Vince personally but judging by the steady decline over the years and the interviews stating that the minds behind the product DO in fact hear the fans but don't care I would say that I see Vince getting in his own way again. I hope I'm wrong of course bc whats better than a good wrestling product? Multiple good wrestling products.
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