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Post by The-Rock on Jul 9, 2019 23:51:15 GMT -5
Didn't read anyone's responses but simply put because the internet knew WWE wanted to push him and the internet/fans didn't want to be told who to they're supposed to cheer for
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Post by Bandalero on Jul 16, 2019 14:04:15 GMT -5
None of the superstars today are organic. You always here that the truly successful stars were them cracked up to volume 11, case-in-point The Rock and Stone Cold. But there's also a good argument for stars who know how to reinvent themselves, Hulk Hogan and Jericho come to mind. And of course there is staying power through the decades like Undertaker and Ric Flair. John Cena is the personification of towing the company line and became hugely successful. These names are all LEGENDS and will easily fit anywhere in an all-time greats top ten list.
Who is Roman Reigns? Stuck in Shield-mode Who is Seth Rollins? Someone that likes to burn stuff down and wear Marvel gear Who is Dean Ambrose? Don't know, he left to be more creative elsewhere
Roman's character never got developed. They are riding on the heart strings of his real life leukemia battle. He might be a great guy personally, but the character sucks and as we get out of the PG-era, we'll hear his character talk tough and call people b*tch a lot. That's about how much growth-potential he has character-wise.
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Post by bad guy™ on Jul 16, 2019 16:43:43 GMT -5
He's just a knock-off Austin, but powerhouse instead of technical. Arrive. Spear. Leave. Can't catch lightning in a bottle twice.
He'll forever be regarded as a good dude, no one can crap on that, and his battle with cancer, but the character they've written and he's built is just Samoan Austin with less interest behind it.
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Post by Kill Em' All on Jul 18, 2019 12:39:27 GMT -5
At first I thought it was brilliant with Roman embracing the part of the Shield to him and in sense being the one man Shield. And personally I love the tactical gear look, it's looks so f'n cool. He's just not all to good on the mic. I don't believe in the notion of pairing him with Paul Heyman. At this rate, I personally have gotten sick of Heyman with Lesnar. Although I do like him running Raw. I think Reigns would be cool to see turning Heel and forming stable with the Usos as heel's. I don't know about Roman wearing the urbanware and it wouldn't be great for Business. Or honestly Roman could of stayed who he was and unite with heel authority figure and feud with Styles, Bryan, Etc fan darlings.
I really liked Ambrose but he never could pick up a lot of steam after his WWE title reign and Rollins for me is better as a heel.
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Post by GreyHaze:Big Bad Booty Daddy on Jul 18, 2019 18:14:01 GMT -5
The problem is what they lines they give him. If you’ve watched Reigns in his interview with Heyman etc, he comes off organic and relaxed. If they let him improvise with his own lines I’m sure he’d come off as less robotic. The real problem with wwe is the lack of character buildup like someone said above. There needs to be storylines and character development, not just two guys fighting and then ending a feud in two weeks. Perfect example would be the last undertaker feuds for Wrestlemania. There are no buildups and he just shows up. The different is the Undertaker is a household name and has a story behind him, but again no buildups.
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Post by jayrod2009 on Jul 19, 2019 6:55:42 GMT -5
If stone cold in 1998 was booked like Roman reigns in 2015-2016, we would all be watching Ted Turner's product right now Uh.... Austin was on every night in the Attitude Era. Just Like Rock, Just like HHH, just like Hogan, Just like Cena. He is the face of WWE.
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Post by k5 on Jul 19, 2019 7:35:51 GMT -5
If stone cold in 1998 was booked like Roman reigns in 2015-2016, we would all be watching Ted Turner's product right now Uh.... Austin was on every night in the Attitude Era. Just Like Rock, Just like HHH, just like Hogan, Just like Cena. He is the face of WWE. that wasn’t his point whatsoever. he wasn’t talking about the frequency of Roman appearing, he was talking about how he was booked. which was horrid, not organic, and forced.
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Post by LA Times on Jul 19, 2019 7:48:48 GMT -5
Uh.... Austin was on every night in the Attitude Era. Just Like Rock, Just like HHH, just like Hogan, Just like Cena. He is the face of WWE. that wasn’t his point whatsoever. he wasn’t talking about the frequency of Roman appearing, he was talking about how he was booked. which was horrid, not organic, and forced. Yep, and how he was made to look like an idiot in his feuds, especially against the authority
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Post by marino13 on Jul 19, 2019 8:11:24 GMT -5
I think trying to book him as an underdog wasn't the right way to go about it. They should have made him the main heel juggernaut to go against Bryan's rise. Then after Bryan got hurt they could have slowly planted seeds for Roman's face turn. Learn from what got Rock & Batista over. And take your time to built to him as the top guy.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Jul 19, 2019 8:20:31 GMT -5
If stone cold in 1998 was booked like Roman reigns in 2015-2016, we would all be watching Ted Turner's product right now Uh.... Austin was on every night in the Attitude Era. Just Like Rock, Just like HHH, just like Hogan, Just like Cena. He is the face of WWE. If the internet was as commonly-used and miserable as it is now back in 1998, the Stone Cold threads would’ve been hilarious. “Stop shoving Austin down our throats Vince he hasn’t even got any movesets or workrates anymore all he does is kick punch stunner he should drop the belt clean to Taka”
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Post by jayrod2009 on Jul 19, 2019 9:58:17 GMT -5
Uh.... Austin was on every night in the Attitude Era. Just Like Rock, Just like HHH, just like Hogan, Just like Cena. He is the face of WWE. If the internet was as commonly-used and miserable as it is now back in 1998, the Stone Cold threads would’ve been hilarious. “Stop shoving Austin down our throats Vince he hasn’t even got any movesets or workrates anymore all he does is kick punch stunner he should drop the belt clean to Taka” So true. I remember an issue of WOW Magazine that talked about Austin 3:16 and his beer cans full of over saturation. Most fans love the face of the company, but the outspoken net trolls typically start out as massive marks during their build and once they hit the mountain top they turn on them.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Jul 19, 2019 11:10:12 GMT -5
If the internet was as commonly-used and miserable as it is now back in 1998, the Stone Cold threads would’ve been hilarious. “Stop shoving Austin down our throats Vince he hasn’t even got any movesets or workrates anymore all he does is kick punch stunner he should drop the belt clean to Taka” So true. I remember an issue of WOW Magazine that talked about Austin 3:16 and his beer cans full of over saturation. Most fans love the face of the company, but the outspoken net trolls typically start out as massive marks during their build and once they hit the mountain top they turn on them. The reaction to Reigns at Rumble 2014 and Rumble 2015 are probably the best examples of it.
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Post by rkmo: 9 Month Warning on Jul 19, 2019 11:28:32 GMT -5
So true. I remember an issue of WOW Magazine that talked about Austin 3:16 and his beer cans full of over saturation. Most fans love the face of the company, but the outspoken net trolls typically start out as massive marks during their build and once they hit the mountain top they turn on them. The reaction to Reigns at Rumble 2014 and Rumble 2015 are probably the best examples of it. You mean, the Rumble in 2014 where Roman was still riding high on the Shield's momentum and the crowd would have a cheered a literal turd on a stick against Batista, the guy that had been rumored for months to come back and win over the one person that had the most organic momentum in years? Then even with Batista's deflating responses, Vince decided to do the exact same thing with the obvious favorite winning the most heel-heavy Rumble ever and burying all other faces. With that logic, Rusev should have won in 2016 then. Or does the crowd only matter at certain times but not others?
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Jul 19, 2019 12:32:20 GMT -5
The reaction to Reigns at Rumble 2014 and Rumble 2015 are probably the best examples of it. You mean, the Rumble in 2014 where Roman was still riding high on the Shield's momentum and the crowd would have a cheered a literal turd on a stick against Batista, the guy that had been rumored for months to come back and win over the one person that had the most organic momentum in years? Then even with Batista's deflating responses, Vince decided to do the exact same thing with the obvious favorite winning the most heel-heavy Rumble ever and burying all other faces. With that logic, Rusev should have won in 2016 then. 😂Read the posts you’re responding to. Good question - should Roman Reigns have main evented WrestleMania 30, or do the crowd only matter at certain times but not others? 😂
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Post by rkmo: 9 Month Warning on Jul 19, 2019 12:39:39 GMT -5
You mean, the Rumble in 2014 where Roman was still riding high on the Shield's momentum and the crowd would have a cheered a literal turd on a stick against Batista, the guy that had been rumored for months to come back and win over the one person that had the most organic momentum in years? Then even with Batista's deflating responses, Vince decided to do the exact same thing with the obvious favorite winning the most heel-heavy Rumble ever and burying all other faces. With that logic, Rusev should have won in 2016 then. 😂Read the posts you’re responding to. Good question - should Roman Reigns have main evented WrestleMania 30, or do the crowd only matter at certain times but not others? 😂 I was just pointing out the number of mitigating circumstances that existed in 2014, because of the claim you made that everybody secretly loves Roman but portions of the event boo just to troll. By the way, the fan fave at the Rumble (Daniel Bryan) did go over in the main event of WrestleMania 30 lol
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Post by Kill Em' All on Jul 26, 2019 12:30:13 GMT -5
Uh.... Austin was on every night in the Attitude Era. Just Like Rock, Just like HHH, just like Hogan, Just like Cena. He is the face of WWE. If the internet was as commonly-used and miserable as it is now back in 1998, the Stone Cold threads would’ve been hilarious. “Stop shoving Austin down our throats Vince he hasn’t even got any movesets or workrates anymore all he does is kick punch stunner he should drop the belt clean to Taka” Taka Vs. Steve Austin better happen at Summer Slam 1998, get the belt off him.
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Post by Controversial Maverick PUNK on Jul 27, 2019 0:38:04 GMT -5
Uh.... Austin was on every night in the Attitude Era. Just Like Rock, Just like HHH, just like Hogan, Just like Cena. He is the face of WWE. If the internet was as commonly-used and miserable as it is now back in 1998, the Stone Cold threads would’ve been hilarious. “Stop shoving Austin down our throats Vince he hasn’t even got any movesets or workrates anymore all he does is kick punch stunner he should drop the belt clean to Taka” Austin and Reigns are not even comparable. Austin was an organically over, charismatic, force of nature - and any fan worth their salt, could tell Austin was a special, once-in-a-lifetime, megastar. Roman Reigns is none of these things, and most fans can see what he is - which is a mediocre talent, foisted onto us, and given every help imaginable to get to an undeserved spot... and he's still not universally accepted. I'd wager, if the internet and IWC had been as prevalent and influential in '98, as it is now, Austin would've been an even bigger deal than he was/is. This also comes back to why Reigns is a failure... he's simply not good enough. If stone cold in 1998 was booked like Roman reigns in 2015-2016, we would all be watching Ted Turner's product right now Uh.... Austin was on every night in the Attitude Era. Just Like Rock, Just like HHH, just like Hogan, Just like Cena. He is the face of WWE. Difference is, people wanted to see Austin at any opportunity. They've made up the "wildcard rule", only so they can shoehorn Reigns onto both shows.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Jul 27, 2019 8:58:17 GMT -5
If the internet was as commonly-used and miserable as it is now back in 1998, the Stone Cold threads would’ve been hilarious. “Stop shoving Austin down our throats Vince he hasn’t even got any movesets or workrates anymore all he does is kick punch stunner he should drop the belt clean to Taka” Austin and Reigns are not even comparable. Oh, but they are - alongside Rock, Hogan and Cena. They’re the five real top guys since WrestleMania began. And Cena and Reigns are the only two during the “you’re not my real dad, Vince, I hate who you want me to like” era. The sort of fans who complain endlessly about Reigns now would’ve been complaining about Hogan, Rock, Austin and Cena if the Internet was the same size and culture at the time - and in Cena’s case, we actually lived through that.
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Post by jayrod2009 on Jul 27, 2019 11:22:52 GMT -5
Austin and Reigns are not even comparable. Oh, but they are - alongside Rock, Hogan and Cena. They’re the five real top guys since WrestleMania began. And Cena and Reigns are the only two during the “you’re not my real dad, Vince, I hate who you want me to like” era. The sort of fans who complain endlessly about Reigns now would’ve been complaining about Hogan, Rock, Austin and Cena if the Internet was the same size and culture at the time - and in Cena’s case, we actually lived through that. BINGO! I get it, you hate Reigns, but he is THE Guy in this era. So, it will go Hogan, Austin,Rock,Cena,Reigns. Sorry, but thats a fact.
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Post by k5 on Jul 27, 2019 12:08:26 GMT -5
Oh, but they are - alongside Rock, Hogan and Cena. They’re the five real top guys since WrestleMania began. And Cena and Reigns are the only two during the “you’re not my real dad, Vince, I hate who you want me to like” era. The sort of fans who complain endlessly about Reigns now would’ve been complaining about Hogan, Rock, Austin and Cena if the Internet was the same size and culture at the time - and in Cena’s case, we actually lived through that. BINGO! I get it, you hate Reigns, but he is THE Guy in this era. So, it will go Hogan, Austin,Rock,Cena,Reigns. Sorry, but thats a fact. just as it's a fact that the reigns project was a failure. the wwe tried so hard to go against what the fans wanted (but vince listens to smarks apparently. lol) by forcing reigns down our throat. you can make him a king, but you can't make him a loved one. that's up to the people. the people rejected reigns, and history will reflect that.
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