eaterofworlds
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Post by eaterofworlds on Jul 9, 2019 23:25:58 GMT -5
I really wish we could get a Chris Benoit
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Post by disorder on Jul 10, 2019 7:12:58 GMT -5
Jakks did an excellent job in a lot of ways with the RA line, but Mattel has done a fairly solid job with its line as well. My biggest issues are the lack of lesser known legends, and how difficult it is to keep up with picking up all the new characters. Liv Morgan, Pat Patterson, Maryse, and Andrade all require a different store, while characters like Roderick Strong, Wendi Richter, and Gorilla Monsoon might not ever see the light of day at all. I'd also say Jeremy was a lot more forthcoming with information, whereas Bill will often either leave us in the dark, or isn't given basic information about the lines he works on. Both of those things are likely attributed to the size of the company, but they're still glaring detriments to this line. Bill had a tantrum and left the board. This is a place he should be, so he can learn what actual fans want. We're a huge focus group for him right here. The guy is so snobby - he makes who he wants and doesn't listen to anyone else. Bill rightfully through a fit because alonzo decided to call him lazy and question his work ethic, which spiraled into others doing the same. A bunch of nerds with absolutely zero artistic skill and zero idea of how the business works, always tear his work apart. It’s been explained to us a dozen times, collectors are small margin of their market. This board is an awful place to use as a focus group. He would get unreal suggestions and the most nit picky minuscule complaints. This place is a cesspool and never fails to show why wrestling fans are laughed at.
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Post by CM Poor on Jul 10, 2019 8:50:24 GMT -5
"Tantrum" It's not like he was a daily poster to begin with. He has a documented history of popping up here and there, in between periods of being AWOL for months at a time. The way people talk about him here, I wouldn't indulge them either. People here act like he's some sort of elected official answerable exclusively to the general public.
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Post by BadGirlRyleigh on Jul 10, 2019 8:55:28 GMT -5
I really wish we could get a Chris Benoit Good luck with that.
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ClassicFan2
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Post by ClassicFan2 on Jul 10, 2019 9:15:55 GMT -5
Here's all the Legends Jakks did that Mattel hasnt:
Koko B. Ware One Man Gang Gorilla Monsoon Superstar Billy Graham Bruiser Brody Chief Jay Strongbow Freddie Blassie Greg Valentine Sabu Fabulous Moolah Rick Steiner Brooklyn Brawler Captain Lou Albano Killer Kowalski Jimmy Valiant Al Snow Bad News Brown Brother Love Droz Mountie Luna Vachon Ernie Ladd Abdullah the Butcher Tank Abbott Zeus The Genius Johnny Rodz Ron Bass The Barbarian Giant Gonzales Rocky Johnson Repo Man Ken Patera Ivan Putski Val Venis Sunny Mae Young Kevin Sullivan Adam Bomb Nikita Koloff Tony Atlas Sandman Jesse Ventura Taz Buff Bagwell Spark Plugg Holly Chainsaw Charlie Andy Kaufman Spike Dudley Lance Storm Billy Kidman Bastion Booger Haku/Meng Original Sheik Dr. Death Steve Williams Mr Fuji Danny Davis Crush (good/evil) Blackman Col Mustafa Harvey Wimpleman Peter Maivia Jeff Jarrett Raven Earl Hebner
Midnight Express Strike Force (Mattel made Tito) Hollywood Blondes Killer Bees British Bulldogs Rock & Roll Express The Russians Too Cool The Freebirds Rythm n Blues Powers of Pain Briscoe Bros. LOD 2000
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2019 11:20:14 GMT -5
Bill rightfully through a fit because alonzo decided to call him lazy and question his work ethic, which spiraled into others doing the same.This place is a cesspool and never fails to show why wrestling fans are laughed at.
If that is why Bill left then he needs to develop thicker skin or as they used to say in my day - GROW A BACKBONE!
As you alluded to, this place is a cesspool (I would expand this to include the internet as a whole), filled with keyboard warriors and immature people who think they can post anything and get away with it. You cannot let everyone or every negative comment get to you, I suspect he just had enough of this crap (like I have) and decided to just step back and focus on his job. Rest assured, I can pretty much guarantee that he (or someone else at MDT) do visit these boards regularly and read the threads and know how people feel about various figures and know what figures collectors want to see released.
Honestly, I don't know why people want him back so much, he rarely posted when he was active on here and did not really give out any meaningful information. The lack of info can be contributed to 2 factors IMO:
1- He was not allowed by his employer to give out info on upcoming figures nor info on who is signed and whom the have the rights to make figures of. 2- He was reluctant to give out spoiler info because from what I saw he preferred to surprise people with new reveals at the various toy cons instead of giving away the info beforehand. He seems to really enjoy seeing people's genuine reaction to the reveal of new product and more specifically figures that you didn't think would be made (Reveal of Macho Man signing, reveal of Hogan & Scott Hall figures).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2019 11:30:40 GMT -5
They also made Hogan, the HOF Hogan figure is Mega Maniacs from 1993. I suspect that is why they made Mega Maniacs Beefcake to go with the Hogan figure.
Also, Mattel has made a Howard Finkel figure.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2019 13:24:29 GMT -5
What has Mattel really offered us that jakks already didn't
Far better looking / realistic / accurate figures on the whole. Jakks figures all look terrible. Boom.
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Post by disorder on Jul 10, 2019 15:12:27 GMT -5
Bill rightfully through a fit because alonzo decided to call him lazy and question his work ethic, which spiraled into others doing the same.This place is a cesspool and never fails to show why wrestling fans are laughed at.
If that is why Bill left then he needs to develop thicker skin or as they used to say in my day - GROW A BACKBONE!
As you alluded to, this place is a cesspool (I would expand this to include the internet as a whole), filled with keyboard warriors and immature people who think they can post anything and get away with it. You cannot let everyone or every negative comment get to you, I suspect he just had enough of this crap (like I have) and decided to just step back and focus on his job. Rest assured, I can pretty much guarantee that he (or someone else at MDT) do visit these boards regularly and read the threads and know how people feel about various figures and know what figures collectors want to see released.
Honestly, I don't know why people want him back so much, he rarely posted when he was active on here and did not really give out any meaningful information. The lack of info can be contributed to 2 factors IMO:
1- He was not allowed by his employer to give out info on upcoming figures nor info on who is signed and whom the have the rights to make figures of. 2- He was reluctant to give out spoiler info because from what I saw he preferred to surprise people with new reveals at the various toy cons instead of giving away the info beforehand. He seems to really enjoy seeing people's genuine reaction to the reveal of new product and more specifically figures that you didn't think would be made (Reveal of Macho Man signing, reveal of Hogan & Scott Hall figures).
He can grow thicker skin, sure..but he didn’t need to be on here and that whole fiasco led into so much more negativity on this board towards Mattel. I personally don’t care if he’s here. As you said, he couldn’t really give out to much info. Most he did was shut down rumors
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mrmikemaurer
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Post by mrmikemaurer on Jul 10, 2019 16:07:24 GMT -5
I think Jakks had better heads/facials once they got "real scan" and that was in 2000. Some of the scans from 2000 are better than what Mattel is putting out in 2019. The heads for mattel are just now starting to get better with the true fx. I know i have passed on some Mattel figures because i did not think they captured the characters likeness well.
Everyone loves the elite line but in a lot of ways it was just deluxe aggression. I think if Jakks still had the line with the technology advances their product would be just as good if not better than what Mattel is putting out now. However, they would have needed someone with a better grasp of the product and cared a little more about the details that we the collectors care about.
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Post by stc13 on Jul 10, 2019 16:16:02 GMT -5
If that is why Bill left then he needs to develop thicker skin or as they used to say in my day - GROW A BACKBONE!
As you alluded to, this place is a cesspool (I would expand this to include the internet as a whole), filled with keyboard warriors and immature people who think they can post anything and get away with it. You cannot let everyone or every negative comment get to you, I suspect he just had enough of this crap (like I have) and decided to just step back and focus on his job. Rest assured, I can pretty much guarantee that he (or someone else at MDT) do visit these boards regularly and read the threads and know how people feel about various figures and know what figures collectors want to see released.
Honestly, I don't know why people want him back so much, he rarely posted when he was active on here and did not really give out any meaningful information. The lack of info can be contributed to 2 factors IMO:
1- He was not allowed by his employer to give out info on upcoming figures nor info on who is signed and whom the have the rights to make figures of. 2- He was reluctant to give out spoiler info because from what I saw he preferred to surprise people with new reveals at the various toy cons instead of giving away the info beforehand. He seems to really enjoy seeing people's genuine reaction to the reveal of new product and more specifically figures that you didn't think would be made (Reveal of Macho Man signing, reveal of Hogan & Scott Hall figures).
He can grow thicker skin, sure..but he didn’t need to be on here and that whole fiasco led into so much more negativity on this board towards Mattel. I personally don’t care if he’s here. As you said, he couldn’t really give out to much info. Most he did was shut down rumors There was a point earlier in the line where there was a lot more collector interaction. Polls asking what characters or attires people wanted. Heck, it was within the last few years that they did the WWE.com polls for the Fan Central line and DM's. I don't think Bill has to be the one posting, and he seems like a nice guy but is clearly uncomfortable in a PR type role. They don't need to reinvent the wheel, but even just taking a page out of Funko or Marvel Legend's playbook for how to engage collectors and drum up interest would go a long way. Mattel's approach honestly is starting to look like WWE. Collectors express interest in characters, are told by the company, "no, that wouldn't sell," and the company proceeds to put out a product nobody asked for that then completely bombs. It's not doing them any favors no matter how you slice it. And while not a direct comparison, Hasbro seems to be doing great business with a Marvel line that you could probably argue makes *too many* obscure characters and deep cuts.
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Post by Purple Reigns on Jul 10, 2019 16:22:44 GMT -5
Jakks did an excellent job in a lot of ways with the RA line, but Mattel has done a fairly solid job with its line as well. My biggest issues are the lack of lesser known legends, and how difficult it is to keep up with picking up all the new characters. Liv Morgan, Pat Patterson, Maryse, and Andrade all require a different store, while characters like Roderick Strong, Wendi Richter, and Gorilla Monsoon might not ever see the light of day at all. I'd also say Jeremy was a lot more forthcoming with information, whereas Bill will often either leave us in the dark, or isn't given basic information about the lines he works on. Both of those things are likely attributed to the size of the company, but they're still glaring detriments to this line. Bill had a tantrum and left the board. This is a place he should be, so he can learn what actual fans want. We're a huge focus group for him right here. The guy is so snobby - he makes who he wants and doesn't listen to anyone else. lmaooo at you acting like a forum with a few hundred people on it equates to what a toy line should be producing. This is worse than Reddit thinking they know crap 🤣🤣🤣
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Post by vampiro666 on Jul 10, 2019 16:53:24 GMT -5
Here's all the Legends Jakks did that Mattel hasnt: Koko B. Ware One Man Gang Gorilla Monsoon Superstar Billy Graham Bruiser Brody Chief Jay Strongbow Freddie Blassie Greg Valentine Sabu Fabulous Moolah Rick Steiner Brooklyn Brawler Captain Lou Albano Killer Kowalski Jimmy Valiant Al Snow Bad News Brown Brother Love Droz Mountie Luna Vachon Ernie Ladd Abdullah the Butcher Tank Abbott Zeus The Genius Johnny Rodz Ron Bass The Barbarian Giant Gonzales Rocky Johnson Repo Man Ken Patera Ivan Putski Val Venis Sunny Mae Young Kevin Sullivan Adam Bomb Howard Finkel Nikita Koloff Tony Atlas Sandman Jesse Ventura Taz Buff Bagwell Spark Plugg Holly Chainsaw Charlie Andy Kaufman Spike Dudley Lance Storm Billy Kidman Bastion Booger Haku/Meng Original Sheik Dr. Death Steve Williams Mr Fuji Danny Davis Crush (good/evil) Blackman Col Mustafa Harvey Wimpleman Peter Maivia Jeff Jarrett Raven Earl Hebner Midnight Express Strike Force (Mattel made Tito) Hollywood Blondes Killer Bees British Bulldogs Rock & Roll Express The Russians Too Cool Mega Maniacs (Mattel made Beefer) The Freebirds Rythm n Blues Powers of Pain Briscoe Bros. LOD 2000 also add these to the list as well Chyna mideon the headbangers Ahmed Johnson Savio Vega taka michinoku the Patriot kurgan the jackel flashfunk/2coldscorpio the Godwin's Bull Buchanan Nailz Marc Mero/Johnny b badd Sable Essa Rios Big Vito Marlena/Terri Jacqueline Miss Jackie Gayda K-kwik Chaz Sean O'Hair Nidea Shawn Stasiak Mordicai Gangrel Raven Rodney Joey abs Pete gas Hugh Morris Kanyon Kronik Sick Clarence Mason Skinner Maxx moon 8-ball Skull Chainz Skip Zip hakushi Ivory Molly Holly Crash Holly Hardcore Holly Johnny the bull Nunzio Chuck Ultimo dragon Tajiri Jimmy Wang yang Big poppa pump Norman smily Charlie has Test The bashams Shannon Moore Funaki Maven Rico Rosey Kid Kash Spirit squad Kevin thorn Ariel la resistance Stacy keibler Torrie Wilson Victoria Jazz Ashley 3 minute warning Kenzo Akio Sakoda Paul London Scott Norton mark jindrak Ernest Miller Disco inferno Alex wright Public enemy Robert Parker Konnan some of these was made while others was in the process of getting made but either way Mattel should take notes of the list and try to complete it this it the perfect start for them to have the legends line come back
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Post by SteveHulk on Jul 11, 2019 2:13:10 GMT -5
also add these to the list as well Chyna mideon the headbangers Ahmed Johnson Savio Vega taka michinoku the Patriot kurgan the jackel flashfunk/2coldscorpio the Godwin's Bull Buchanan Nailz Marc Mero/Johnny b badd Sable Essa Rios Big Vito Marlena/Terri Jacqueline Miss Jackie Gayda K-kwik Chaz Sean O'Hair Nidea Shawn Stasiak Mordicai Gangrel Raven Rodney Joey abs Pete gas Hugh Morris Kanyon Kronik Sick Clarence Mason Skinner Maxx moon 8-ball Skull Chainz Skip Zip hakushi Ivory Molly Holly Crash Holly Hardcore Holly Johnny the bull Nunzio Chuck Ultimo dragon Tajiri Jimmy Wang yang Big poppa pump Norman smily Charlie has Test The bashams Shannon Moore Funaki Maven Rico Rosey Kid Kash Spirit squad Kevin thorn Ariel la resistance Stacy keibler Torrie Wilson Victoria Jazz Ashley 3 minute warning Kenzo Akio Sakoda Paul London Scott Norton mark jindrak Ernest Miller Disco inferno Alex wright Public enemy Robert Parker Konnan some of these was made while others was in the process of getting made but either way Mattel should take notes of the list and try to complete it this it the perfect start for them to have the legends line come back Jakks had the licence for 14 years from 1996 - so of course there will be loads of figures they made that Mattel hasn't (and never will). If you're counting these figures as well though (...going back to the Bone Crunching days!), it's not really fair - I mean, Mattel have made an awful lot of figures 2010-present that Jakks (obviously) haven't made. I think when we're discussing Legends/ figures like this, you have to draw a line somewhere... maybe Jakks Classic Superstar line/Ruthless Aggression figures - and Mattel Elite figures.
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vampiro666
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Post by vampiro666 on Jul 11, 2019 2:52:25 GMT -5
Jakks had the licence for 14 years from 1996 - so of course there will be loads of figures they made that Mattel hasn't (and never will). If you're counting these figures as well though (...going back to the Bone Crunching days!), it's not really fair - I mean, Mattel have made an awful lot of figures 2010-present that Jakks (obviously) haven't made. I think when we're discussing Legends/ figures like this, you have to draw a line somewhere... maybe Jakks Classic Superstar line/Ruthless Aggression figures - and Mattel Elite figures. alot of them are from the classic/ra line but the ones that would qualify for the bca line was also scheduled to be finally made again for the classic superstars line and most of them was already placed into the upcoming lineups when they lost the license while others was listed as place holder names
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Post by hitman1072 on Jul 11, 2019 9:42:58 GMT -5
I think Jakks had better heads/facials once they got "real scan" and that was in 2000. Some of the scans from 2000 are better than what Mattel is putting out in 2019. The heads for mattel are just now starting to get better with the true fx. I know i have passed on some Mattel figures because i did not think they captured the characters likeness well. Everyone loves the elite line but in a lot of ways it was just deluxe aggression. I think if Jakks still had the line with the technology advances their product would be just as good if not better than what Mattel is putting out now. However, they would have needed someone with a better grasp of the product and cared a little more about the details that we the collectors care about. No.
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Post by alphadeltaxray on Jul 11, 2019 15:29:21 GMT -5
Bill had a tantrum and left the board. This is a place he should be, so he can learn what actual fans want. We're a huge focus group for him right here. The guy is so snobby - he makes who he wants and doesn't listen to anyone else. lmaooo at you acting like a forum with a few hundred people on it equates to what a toy line should be producing. This is worse than Reddit thinking they know crap 🤣🤣🤣 Why would you insult someone who's just giving their opinion? Come on, man.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Jul 11, 2019 16:35:25 GMT -5
He can grow thicker skin, sure..but he didn’t need to be on here and that whole fiasco led into so much more negativity on this board towards Mattel. I personally don’t care if he’s here. As you said, he couldn’t really give out to much info. Most he did was shut down rumors There was a point earlier in the line where there was a lot more collector interaction. Polls asking what characters or attires people wanted. Yeah, and we voted then didn’t buy them 😂
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Di-Di-Dis-Distribution Problem
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Post by Di-Di-Dis-Distribution Problem on Jul 11, 2019 16:46:11 GMT -5
Would wager my 1/25 Rhinestone Flair that heel Bill lurks occasionally. You don't need an account to read posts...
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Post by Di-Di-Dis-Distribution Problem on Jul 11, 2019 16:46:57 GMT -5
And for the love of everything holy, look at my sig and please tell me why one of the most requested flashbacks of the last 10 years has never been made...
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