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Post by vampiro666 on Jul 17, 2019 5:28:43 GMT -5
I've been thinking about the main reasons on why the tna line failed and i know it's mainly because they choose to use the horrible deluxe style body's that everyone hated plus they basically just gave up completely on it Midway through the series because of the poor quality in sales. But had they just stuck with using the normal ruthless style molds like they did for the one exclusive walgreens series in the beginning and legends of the ring do you think the line would have been way more successful in the long run and lasted a lot longer with way more series and roster names than what we got ?
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Post by RuthlessFigs on Jul 17, 2019 6:01:33 GMT -5
Think the main reasons it failed was because the Roster was so thin they could only get like 3 or 4 series out before doing repaints.
That and it was Jakks, don't think it had much hope from the start.
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Post by jason1980s on Jul 17, 2019 9:36:41 GMT -5
Someone in marketing probably saw no future in the line. Since TNA is really not that well known to non-fans, a parent or grandparent shopping the toy store would probably just think it's a fake line like something you'd see at a dollar store. But with it being a real company the pricing of the toys would have been much more than dollar store pricing and the parents or grandparents wouldn't go for it. If it's an adult watching TNA, like I did, they probably only watched a short amount of time after realizing how poor the storylines were and they would pass up the toys in the store.
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Post by LA Times on Jul 17, 2019 10:00:13 GMT -5
They shouldve used RA style as the base of the line with Deluxe style as a subset. I wouldve bought TNA figures of these guys if they were RA style
Sting
AJ Styles
Jeff Hardy
Shark Boy
James Storm
Suicide
Scott Steiner
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Post by hitmancmedge on Jul 17, 2019 11:47:45 GMT -5
All you really need to say is TNA and Jakks and that’s all you need to say right there. We all thought the line was going to be dead from the start, the writing was on the wall by about Series 4.
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Post by FUSamBaker on Jul 17, 2019 13:14:55 GMT -5
I think the entire product was stale from the show to the merchandise. At the time they started, TNA was sorta hot. But then it fizzled so quick. Plus they wasted a lot of time making faces they’d already done in the WWE series.
They should have just produced the few protos they had instead of dragging their feet. Those last few series were pitiful. At least we got Crimson, McMG, Gail Kim and Tessmacher!
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Jul 17, 2019 14:31:59 GMT -5
They should have just made them all BCA style!! Then they would have sold like hotcakes!
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Post by mmondrag96 on Jul 17, 2019 17:29:44 GMT -5
I remember exactly what happened. Everyone wanted RA style but they went there own way and did DA or DI. That right there was enough to turn away most people. They also seemed like they had the same attitude as they did when they gave up at the end of the wwe line deco was little to none and when they did do a ruthless line everyone snagged them up and they still didn’t get it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2019 17:33:55 GMT -5
- Limited distribution. Wal-Mart didn't carry the line in the US & Toys "R" Us, Argos and grocery stores didn't carry the line here in the UK
- TNA as a company failed from mid-2011 onwards, maybe before depending on how generous you are.
- People were too invested elsewhere (Mattel had only launched six months prior)
I don't think the RA/DA thing really mattered too much to sales. It might to us collectors, though most people buying figures are casual/semi-casual fans. It's a shame ToyBiz pegged out due to Marvel's bankruptcy, they could have continued the line until late 2009 otherwise, and therefore there might have been some more hype. PS I hope WWE buys the Impact tape library and copyright/trademarks and we get a beautiful TNA real scale ring and some nice elites of guys during 2005-2007. That's the only real hope we have. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2019 17:39:53 GMT -5
They were made by Jakks.
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Post by TheXtremisT on Jul 19, 2019 10:35:44 GMT -5
Like tnamarveljakks says - nothing to do with Deluxe style, wish people would stop clinging to that fallacy. Jakks used that line because the RETAILERS asked them to in order to compete with the popular elite Mattel figs. This has been reported repeatedly.
It wasn't because collectors of RA refused to buy them. That is a small portion of the potential buyers. It was the mass audience. People fail repeatedly to realise they the collectors aren't the centre of attention for lines released at retail. It's kids and parents that make up the mass of sales. Hence why they used Sting, Angle and Hardy repeatedly. Just like Mattel uses Reigns, Orton, Hardy, Rollins..... but WWE is way more recognisable and has more stars to pad things out. Simple as that. TNA had less households watching and therefore less people recognising stars.
Jakks sales were dwindling so you noticed the quality after series 4 dipped considerably. They Jakks'd it after that and put less effort into the line, only to see out their contract.
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Post by wolfpac on Jul 19, 2019 11:45:30 GMT -5
I know the RA\DA thing wasn’t the reason, but I do wish we got a handful more Ruthless Impact waves.
At least we did get some of the bigger names, but 2 more waves at least would have been nice.
I also gotta say brand recognition also killed the line, a lot of people don’t know what TNA was, or they were losing a majority of fans that would have helped support the line
Toy biz TNA line failed too and those were some amazing figures so it definitely wasn’t quality.
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Post by Lithium on Jul 19, 2019 14:38:04 GMT -5
They didn't evolve.
They were still using 'agression' style moulds, when they should've created a new version to spark interest and not feel stale. Ruthless Aggression was like a decade old at that point, Deluxe nearly there. They could've at least retooled the moulds a bit to have better scaling, so people like Rey Mysterio wouldn't be the same size as the Undertaker.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2019 17:35:07 GMT -5
Toy biz TNA line failed too and those were some amazing figures so it definitely wasn’t quality. Incorrect, the TNA line lasted all the way up until the end of ToyBiz. Marvel Entertainment (who owned ToyBiz) sold the rights for Marvel characters to Hasbro in January 2007. ToyBiz tried to carry on making non-marvel characters throughout 2007, though very quietly the division was shut as Marvel couldn't afford to run it anymore. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2019 17:41:22 GMT -5
They didn't evlove. They were still using 'agression' style moulds, when they should've created a new version to spark interest and not feel stale. Ruthless Agression was like a decade old at that point, Deluxe nearly there. They could've at least retooled the moulds a bit to have better scaling, so people like Rey Mysterio wouldn't be the same size as the Undertaker. I'd argue that creating new moulds would only be justifiable for WWE, due to costs of design and prototyping etc. Plus it would be a risk, they'd have to try and make something that fit nicely with the Mattel line, if they failed, the figures wouldn't be compatible with anything. I do think the line benefitted from carrying on the aggression moulds; hard to remember now, but still a lot of people found the Jakks-to-Mattel switch difficult at the time the TNA figures came out. |
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Post by TheXtremisT on Jul 20, 2019 11:09:57 GMT -5
Yep totally agree with the retooling or creation of a new line would have been too expensive. Jakks simply was not a large enough company to make a new line and the budget wouldn't have been there for a new line. We'd have got a similar amount of reuse with body types as we did anyway, except figures would have made a massive loss to them because the costs for tooling were getting expensive in 2009-onwards. They probably made a small profit until series 5 which saw details missing, figures being reduced/cancelled and the line dwindled. Then they were probably losing money repeatedly and just saw out their contract until 2013. Sad to think they basically only lasted a year since DI 4 came out in December 2010.
Another interesting point is the reason their initial 4 series having more detail than the rest of the line (apart from here and there) was because they saved money during 2009 when they put no effort into the WWE figures being released, skimping on details to save paint and budget. They pumped it all into the TNA figures. Meaning they had a larger budget. Smart.
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Post by hbkjason on Jul 20, 2019 13:19:07 GMT -5
This may not be the main reason, but it is certainly the reason I was not willing to support the line. Jakks did less than a half assed job with the WWE line the last 18 months or so they had the license. It was a slap in the face to the people who collected their product and then all of a sudden they wanted us to jump back in bed with them and start a new collection. From a financial stand point I get it, but I am sure I was not the only fan put off by Jakks as an actual company by the way they handled the WWE line at the end.
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Post by LA Times on Jul 24, 2019 11:04:57 GMT -5
Jakks TNA figures sold well on ShopTNA. Don West had insane deals like 5 figures for $25 and can sell ice to an eskimo.
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Post by voicesinmyhead on Jul 25, 2019 13:43:37 GMT -5
They shouldve used RA style as the base of the line with Deluxe style as a subset. I wouldve bought TNA figures of these guys if they were RA style Sting AJ Styles Jeff Hardy Shark Boy James Storm Suicide Scott Steiner They made an RA style Sting and Suicide. They were Walgreens exclusives. Great figures. |
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Post by vampiro666 on Jul 25, 2019 14:00:19 GMT -5
They shouldve used RA style as the base of the line with Deluxe style as a subset. I wouldve bought TNA figures of these guys if they were RA style Sting AJ Styles Jeff Hardy Shark Boy James Storm Suicide Scott Steiner They made an RA style Sting and Suicide. They were Walgreens exclusives. Great figures. yes they was plus had a good price point being 3 for 12 bucks. they did make a ra Jeff as a exclusive. also Scott Steiner shark boy and styles had unreleased prototypes |
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