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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2019 16:14:16 GMT -5
You just got a job with WWE Network, and the company is trying a new project so as to seem more progressive; they want to go back to the Attitude Era, and write in one of the top characters of the time as LGBT (and not goofy like Billy & Chuck, a serious character who is as accepted as an LGBT person would be in 2019, but it's still set in 1996-2002) - who do you pick, and how's your storyline go? It's going to be made into a video like the recent Sting/Undertaker fantasy match video.
I'll edit back later with mine, but I'd go with Edge during the Invasion (to me that's still late Attitude) in 2001, open LGBT and IC Champ, maybe even work him into the Undisputed Title division by early 2002.
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Post by TheLastDude on Jul 26, 2019 17:21:35 GMT -5
1) This will probably not end well
2) You make some of THE strangest threads
3) This should be on the classic board
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2019 17:50:34 GMT -5
1) This will probably not end well 2) You make some of THE strangest threads 3) This should be on the classic board One man's "strange" is another man's "creative." Fair enough on the Classic Board. Not end well? We're all Millennials here and pretty damn progressive. |
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Post by nibs92 on Jul 26, 2019 18:14:00 GMT -5
I personally don’t think it could be done. Now don’t misunderstand me, I’m a heterosexual male, but have no problem with anyone’s sexual persuasion and never had.
However the mid 90’s was a different time and wrestling fans were a different demographic. A character like Goldust was booed and called a f****t. Val Venis gained popularity for his porn star gimmick and the women weren’t shy at whipping them out. The greatest star from that period was an ass kicking beer swilling mans man and the next in line talked about getting pie all day. These were the things that sold and moved the casual fan further up the curve.
There was a rumour that Vince Russo was hired by the creative team and fired on his first day for suggesting that the Rock should be turned gay. Maybe the Rock wouldn’t have been the best choice, but to be honest I think the idea in general would have been shot down. Even Mickie James as a pseudo lesbian was portrayed as a heel
Vince and co were at their creative best and if their was money to be made from a positive LGBT character, they would have created one.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2019 18:52:07 GMT -5
I personally don’t think it could be done. Now don’t misunderstand me, I’m a heterosexual male, but have no problem with anyone’s sexual persuasion and never had. However the mid 90’s was a different time and wrestling fans were a different demographic. A character like Goldust was booed and called a f****t. Val Venis gained popularity for his porn star gimmick and the women weren’t shy at whipping them out. The greatest star from that period was an ass kicking beer swilling mans man and the next in line talked about getting pie all day. These were the things that sold and moved the casual fan further up the curve. There was a rumour that Vince Russo was hired by the creative team and fired on his first day for suggesting that the Rock should be turned gay. Maybe the Rock wouldn’t have been the best choice, but to be honest I think the idea in general would have been shot down. Even Mickie James as a pseudo lesbian was portrayed as a heel Vince and co were at their creative best and if their was money to be made from a positive LGBT character, they would have created one. I hear ya but the whole thing is done as a fantasy, where LGBT issues are receiving 2019-level acceptance in 1996-2002. |
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Post by Thunder Chunky on Jul 26, 2019 19:02:49 GMT -5
This is an odd thread.
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Post by Kill Em' All on Jul 26, 2019 20:19:12 GMT -5
Ahhhh I don't mean to be every other snarky person on a board attacking you for this thread.
But.... I don't think it could work. Late 90's America/Early 00's and in the Attitude Era. I just cannot see it be done.
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Post by PJ on Jul 26, 2019 20:47:32 GMT -5
I dot see how this is classic because you are a 2019 writer rewriting a character in the Attitude era but it’s still modern because you would be doing it now in the present.
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Post by K5 on Jul 26, 2019 23:16:00 GMT -5
I think you’d have to be very careful not to have the person be a heel, as crude homophobia would already be an issue. But then how do the heels get heat against this gay wrestler? homophobia? we got enough cringe moments from Russo.
I think Goldust is the closest thing we could get to a ‘queer’ character during that era.
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Post by warriorlynx on Aug 1, 2019 9:33:35 GMT -5
This won't work though, I meant if you were to ask just create one as an alternate timeline/story, sure...
For example: This isn't going to go well...
Wrestlemania 17: Austin turns heal because he is in love with Vince and always has been.
Hmmm maybe this does more harm then good?
Anyway Kurt Angle for some reason I would have him be bi. He's after Stephanie, but always had a thing for Triple H....
Just stop me...stop.....
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Post by Nivro™ on Aug 6, 2019 23:24:34 GMT -5
1) This will probably not end well 2) You make some of THE strangest threads 3) This should be on the classic board One man's "strange" is another man's "creative." Fair enough on the Classic Board. Not end well? We're all Millennials here and pretty damn progressive.  |
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Post by Andros on Aug 8, 2019 16:42:14 GMT -5
As a gay man, I have no clue what this thread is for, you want to put a serious gay character in the attitude era.
But at the same time, when people tell you it wouldn't work because of the time period, you want them to imagine your scenario in a different time period?
You can't remove the attitude era from the sensiblities of it's time period, they are too closely interwoven.
Either no one would've wanted to wrestle him, or he would've been laughing stock.
Goldust and Too Much are the only examples of what gay character could be back then, it wasn't like the 80s where someone like Adrian Adonis was "just kind of campy".
The late 90s were too hyper masculine in a serious way, rather than the campy way of before.
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Post by Mikeo on Aug 8, 2019 17:20:14 GMT -5
I personally don’t think it could be done. Now don’t misunderstand me, I’m a heterosexual male, but have no problem with anyone’s sexual persuasion and never had. However the mid 90’s was a different time and wrestling fans were a different demographic. A character like Goldust was booed and called a f****t. Val Venis gained popularity for his porn star gimmick and the women weren’t shy at whipping them out. The greatest star from that period was an ass kicking beer swilling mans man and the next in line talked about getting pie all day. These were the things that sold and moved the casual fan further up the curve. There was a rumour that Vince Russo was hired by the creative team and fired on his first day for suggesting that the Rock should be turned gay. Maybe the Rock wouldn’t have been the best choice, but to be honest I think the idea in general would have been shot down. Even Mickie James as a pseudo lesbian was portrayed as a heel
Vince and co were at their creative best and if their was money to be made from a positive LGBT character, they would have created one. She wasn't heel because she was a lesbian, she was heel because she was a stalker |
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Post by Markw on Aug 8, 2019 17:50:26 GMT -5
If you have a homosexual wrestler who wants to come out, they do so and you support them - and if they want that to be a significant part of their character then you give them the freedom to do that. If the WWE/then WWF wanted to be progressive they'd focus on engendering an atmosphere where LGBT employees feel comfortable to express themselves knowing they'll have the support of the organisation and their colleagues (they didn't, of course). It should never be about Vince McMahon, a writing team, or just us (largely heterosexual) nerds on a wrestling figure forum, coming up with a serious LGBT 'character' or 'storyline' for any old wrestler to portray, because absolutely none of the parties involved would get it right.
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Post by nibs92 on Aug 8, 2019 17:54:13 GMT -5
I personally don’t think it could be done. Now don’t misunderstand me, I’m a heterosexual male, but have no problem with anyone’s sexual persuasion and never had. However the mid 90’s was a different time and wrestling fans were a different demographic. A character like Goldust was booed and called a f****t. Val Venis gained popularity for his porn star gimmick and the women weren’t shy at whipping them out. The greatest star from that period was an ass kicking beer swilling mans man and the next in line talked about getting pie all day. These were the things that sold and moved the casual fan further up the curve. There was a rumour that Vince Russo was hired by the creative team and fired on his first day for suggesting that the Rock should be turned gay. Maybe the Rock wouldn’t have been the best choice, but to be honest I think the idea in general would have been shot down. Even Mickie James as a pseudo lesbian was portrayed as a heel
Vince and co were at their creative best and if their was money to be made from a positive LGBT character, they would have created one. She wasn't heel because she was a lesbian, she was heel because she was a stalker I never said she was a heel because she was a lesbian. However her character with gay tendencies was portrayed as a stalker and they played on her lesbian tendencies making out that her sexuality made her predatory |
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Post by JC Motors on Aug 11, 2019 11:50:43 GMT -5
There would have been so much backlash if that were to happen back then. Times are different now
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Post by Nivro™ on Aug 11, 2019 12:31:03 GMT -5
Whether its 1999 or 2019, a gay character isnt going to work/matter because no matter how "progressive" people think the world is...nobody truly cares what the  you do with your body outside of the ring. They made a big deal with Darren Young being open, nobody cared...They push the rainbow/gay pride stuff with Sonya Deville....nobody cares. FFS they even tried to MAKE Finn Balor gay and nobody cared. Outside of being a super attractive woman, sexuality isnt something that connects with wrestling fans. Never has, never will. |
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