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Post by mikey1974 on Jul 27, 2019 19:43:07 GMT -5
I have a feeling I may have talked about this year's ago, but I'm not going through 50 pages to look LOL!
So, for newer members or anyone who hasn't hear this...
Back in 1996, we of course got the nWo, only the hottest faction during the Monday Night Wars. And we all know how it worked out. But at one point during the initial brainstorming meetings for this, the plan was to have Sting be the 3rd man to join Hall and Nash rather than Hogan. I always wondered if they went through with this, if it even could've worked. I mean the whole (initial) idea was outsiders from "another company" coming in to take over and destroy WCW. Kinda hard to do it with someone who was never with that other company.I could see Savage,Luger MAYBE. But even so, it wouldn't have shocked the wrestling world like the Hogan turn did.
Bringing me to the second part.... Bischoff said in an interview when they came up with the Hogan heel turn, and he agreed to it, they had to present it to Ted Turner (which is interesting in itself), and he was esitant, but finally gave his okay on one condition - that they have an "out" for Hogan if the angle didn't go over.
I've also always wondered what this out booking could have been.I mean you just turned Hogan heel, it gets rejected, and then in short order you have to logically turn him face again. Only thing I can come up with is they do the BATB turn like happened, he hangs with the nWo for a month or two, then he turns on them as well and it's revealed he went undercover and worked his way into gaining their trust in order to tear the nWo down from the inside.It's all I got.
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Post by Kill Em' All on Jul 28, 2019 1:59:49 GMT -5
Very well could of hindered the chance in content by the WWF and the Monday Night Wars imo wouldn't be as big of deal as we see it.
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Post by MKSavage on Jul 28, 2019 2:22:09 GMT -5
I'm a huge Sting fan but I don't think Sting turning heel would have gone over as well as Hogan. Plus, having Hogan as the third man helped with them implying that these guys were WWF guys trying to take over WCW. To me it was done right, with Hogan going over huge as the heel and them really setting up Sting as the ultimate hero. Everything leading up to Starrcade 97 was done right, everything after Starrcade was questionable.
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Post by nibs92 on Jul 28, 2019 2:56:35 GMT -5
I never really watched WCW but read a fair bit about it and have seen buts since. Sting was the ultimate WCW guy and up to that point, if I’m right, had never been heel in his time with the company. It may have held a bit of a shock factor, but as far as I’m aware, he was getting positive reactions from the crowd up to that point. Hogan, on the other hand, was being booed as the top face (as I understand it anyway), so it was more logical for him to turn on the fans, who had turned on him.
Hogan also fed into the outsider gimmick that Sting never could. With my limited knowledge of WCW at the time, I’m struggling to see the reason why Sting would turn. The only thing I can think of is that he is sick of being overshadowed by Hogan, so recruited a couple of people from Hulk’s old stomping ground to take back WCW from the influx of Hogan and his cronies, but even then it wouldn’t have had nearly the level of impact that Hulk’s turn had.
In terms of an out, they could have had that Hogan was looking to mentor Hall and Nash as the next big things in wrestling, but soon realised that they are out of control and turns face again to protect WCW from the monsters he created.
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Post by figurecollector on Jul 28, 2019 12:12:03 GMT -5
I have a feeling I may have talked about this year's ago, but I'm not going through 50 pages to look LOL! So, for newer members or anyone who hasn't hear this... Back in 1996, we of course got the nWo, only the hottest faction during the Monday Night Wars. And we all know how it worked out. But at one point during the initial brainstorming meetings for this, the plan was to have Sting be the 3rd man to join Hall and Nash rather than Hogan. I always wondered if they went through with this, if it even could've worked. I mean the whole (initial) idea was outsiders from "another company" coming in to take over and destroy WCW. Kinda hard to do it with someone who was never with that other company.I could see Savage,Luger MAYBE. But even so, it wouldn't have shocked the wrestling world like the Hogan turn did. Bringing me to the second part.... Bischoff said in an interview when they came up with the Hogan heel turn, and he agreed to it, they had to present it to Ted Turner (which is interesting in itself), and he was esitant, but finally gave his okay on one condition - that they have an "out" for Hogan if the angle didn't go over. I've also always wondered what this out booking could have been.I mean you just turned Hogan heel, it gets rejected, and then in short order you have to logically turn him face again. Only thing I can come up with is they do the BATB turn like happened, he hangs with the nWo for a month or two, then he turns on them as well and it's revealed he went undercover and worked his way into gaining their trust in order to tear the nWo down from the inside.It's all I got. This is exactly what I thought was going to happen. I waited. And waited. And waited. After about 3 years, I decided that was not going to be what they intended to do. |
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Post by jason1980s on Jul 28, 2019 17:43:35 GMT -5
Hogan was a perfect choice for the group. As good as Sting was I don't see the immediate impact that Hogan had. I think the impact would have relied more on Hall and Nash than Sting. I also don't think Hall and Nash get as much credit for the group working so well so immediately. If it weren't for Hall and Nash being hot from WWF, a Hogan heel turn would have just been a slightly more famous version of his "dark" period from late 1995.
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Post by JokerFC on Jul 29, 2019 10:17:50 GMT -5
I'm a huge Sting fan but I don't think Sting turning heel would have gone over as well as Hogan. Plus, having Hogan as the third man helped with them implying that these guys were WWF guys trying to take over WCW. To me it was done right, with Hogan going over huge as the heel and them really setting up Sting as the ultimate hero. Everything leading up to Starrcade 97 was done right, everything after Starrcade was questionable. 100% bang on. Hogan was pivotal because he was THE WWF guy down south. Even Savage wouldn't have worked as well.....I genuinely don't think the Angle would have been half as hot with Sting in the Hogan role....or anyone else for that matter. The 3rd man being Hogan blew the doors off EVERYONE.....he had nothing to do with the angle and hadn't been seen.....it was perfect. |
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Post by drifter on Jul 29, 2019 10:37:50 GMT -5
Like others have said, Sting being the third guy, while being interesting, since he was THE WCW guy, wouldn't have helped take the nWo off as much as with Hogan as the third man. Even with some of the fans turning on him by this point, Hogan was still the super face, the guy you'd point to as mr. right in wrestling. When he initially came out that night, it was the feeling of, the day is saved, and then quickly a stab in the back when he turned. Plus, with Hogan, you had a name, that casual, and even non fans knew, and him turning heel, after being the poster boy of good through the last boom period in wrestling, was a huge thing. Sting turning, would be a big thing to die hard fans, but Hogan turning was a big thing to all fans, and even non fans. Plus, the role Sting took after, adopting the crow persona, and the mystery put around his character, was the perfect fit for him. Really both Sting and Hogan were in the right roles, to make the angle what it was, and to give WCW the big fire power to start laying into the WWF. Sadly, they crapped it all away with Starrcade. That was like having going to a fireworks show, witnessing an amazing half hour long display, and then for the finale, they set off a bunch of sparklers.
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Post by rateddal on Jul 30, 2019 1:16:41 GMT -5
I think people underestimate the impact a Sting turn could have made. First, if the Sting turn happened instead of Hogan, there wouldn't be anything to compare the turn to. Hogan's turn was the biggest single turn or event in Wrestling history but if it didn't happen a Sting turn wouldn't be considered less of a milestone because there was no Hogan turn to compare it to.
Second, Sting was basically the ultimate WCW babyface for years so it certainly would have shock factor attached to it. Hell the fake Sting turn joining the NwO initially surprised me and that was after Hogan was the 3rd guy and became obvious that it wasn't Sting relatively quickly, the possibility still was a surprise.
As far as a contingency plan, other than gaining their trust/going undercover to tear down the NwO the only other option would be to disappear from television for a bit and re-emerge in a hero role against the NwO after they turned on him.
Let's just hope their backup plan was better than Sergeant Slaughter's I love my country nonsense when the Iraqi gimmick had run its course.
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Post by warriorlynx on Jul 30, 2019 20:21:41 GMT -5
To turn Hogan face after joining the nWo would require the Outsiders to beat him down. That's the only way I could see it as a possibility.
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Post by MKSavage on Jul 30, 2019 20:31:11 GMT -5
To turn Hogan face after joining the nWo would require the Outsiders to beat him down. That's the only way I could see it as a possibility. I think all it took was for Hogan to go away for a few months then come back wearing the red and yellow. |
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Post by warriorlynx on Aug 1, 2019 9:08:35 GMT -5
To turn Hogan face after joining the nWo would require the Outsiders to beat him down. That's the only way I could see it as a possibility. I think all it took was for Hogan to go away for a few months then come back wearing the red and yellow. But would the fans really accept that? A beat down is the best way to do it, like HBK's '95 babyface turn. |
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Post by MKSavage on Aug 1, 2019 13:46:16 GMT -5
I think all it took was for Hogan to go away for a few months then come back wearing the red and yellow. But would the fans really accept that? A beat down is the best way to do it, like HBK's '95 babyface turn. That's what happened. In 1999, after the NWO really started getting stale, Hogan went off TV for a little bit and came back wearing the Red & Yellow colors and he got a really big pop. |
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Post by warriorlynx on Aug 1, 2019 14:42:05 GMT -5
But would the fans really accept that? A beat down is the best way to do it, like HBK's '95 babyface turn. That's what happened. In 1999, after the NWO really started getting stale, Hogan went off TV for a little bit and came back wearing the Red & Yellow colors and he got a really big pop. Ya but that was three years later, this is assuming it would happen in 96 or early 97 at the most. |
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Post by MKSavage on Aug 1, 2019 20:28:03 GMT -5
That's what happened. In 1999, after the NWO really started getting stale, Hogan went off TV for a little bit and came back wearing the Red & Yellow colors and he got a really big pop. Ya but that was three years later, this is assuming it would happen in 96 or early 97 at the most. True. But with turning him in mid 96 that would have been early to give up on the switch. What could have worked was if they did Starrcade 97 right and let Sting win with no controversy, they could have had Hall, Nash, Steiner, and some of the other younger NWO guys attack Hogan because he lost saying he's no longer the head of the NWO. That could have helped to get sympathy for Hogan, they could have used Bret (who just arrived) to be the new leader of the NWO - helping with the attack on Hogan. |
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Post by Hulkster2001 on Aug 12, 2019 8:14:02 GMT -5
To turn Hogan face after joining the nWo would require the Outsiders to beat him down. That's the only way I could see it as a possibility. So like Wrestlemania X8? |
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Post by warriorlynx on Aug 12, 2019 10:33:41 GMT -5
To turn Hogan face after joining the nWo would require the Outsiders to beat him down. That's the only way I could see it as a possibility. So like Wrestlemania X8? Ya pretty much except that most fans wanted him to turn at the time |
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