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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2019 12:31:28 GMT -5
Appears Trump continues to win the Democratic Debates.
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Post by CM Poor on Sept 16, 2019 8:55:21 GMT -5
I, too, would like to hyperbolically state my opposition to hyperbole.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2019 20:03:59 GMT -5
I dislike Trump's gimmick that originally gained him so much favor - the ridiculous, mean, tweeting, anti-establishment guy. The economy is good, that I will give him. My guess is that's thanks to both Obama and Trump. Each year is a little calmer than the one before (hated Charlottesville in '17; '18 was a little calmer but still had things like trying to convince people to boycott the NFL; '19 is calmer but still had the government shutdown). I hate his walls, government shutdowns, racial/nationalist crap - all the hot button stuff. On the other hand, I don't mind his regular GOP stuff - low taxes, fighting Obamacare, everything that is helping the economy (I am a Democrat but I will admit that sometimes conservative fiscal policy can help the economy).
Now, as much as I was into progressive politics during Bernie '16, I'm over it now. Life is what you make of it, you don't need radical left programs, as much as my fellow millennials are obsessed with them. So, I'm not too excited about Elizabeth or Bernie.
Personally, I think Biden would be perfect. He wouldn't do anything too radical left to ruin our economy, but we'd be over with the stupid nationalist crap, tweeting, government shutdowns and the like. We did have a shutdown in '13 under Obama, but it wasn't as ridiculous as Trump's.
So, Biden gets my primary vote.
If it's Biden vs. Trump, Biden certainly gets my general vote.
If it's Sanders or Warren vs. Trump...I don't know. I really, really don't want to vote for Trump, but I suppose anything's possible.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2019 20:17:27 GMT -5
All of that said, as far as who I THINK will win - if I had Vegas money on the whole thing - I'd say just like 2016, Trump loses the popular vote and wins the electoral vote.
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Post by rkmo: 9 Month Warning on Sept 17, 2019 20:53:05 GMT -5
All of that said, as far as who I THINK will win - if I had Vegas money on the whole thing - I'd say just like 2016, Trump loses the popular vote and wins the electoral vote. All the exact same demographics are there for that outcome so no reason to believe anything will turn out different. I believe Biden would be the best opponent but he is literally turning into Hillary 2.0 before our eyes, with his goofs and gaffes and missteps. All there needs to be is one part third-party candidates, one part ******, and one supportive take on public disclosure about the government's extraterrestrial knowledge to make it 100%. People would be too easily frightened away from any other Dem candidates. In my mind, only two dudes matter when it comes to the nation's future. One person's actions during the election and, depending on the results, one person's reaction to them.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2019 21:16:29 GMT -5
I see Joe Biden most like John Kerry, unfortunately - the moderate Democrat who can't unseat the incumbent Republican. In fall '04 George W. Bush still had post-9/11 nationalism on his side, Trump sadly still has anti-Islamic, anti-illegal-Mexican-immigrant nationalism on his side. I'd love for Biden to be able to get the job done, but I just don't see it. Part of me thinks if he can get the people of color in the big cities of the swing states - Detroit, Milwaukee, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh - to the polls, he could pull it out, but Trump is the flavor of the season, that season being 2017-2025. Clinton got eight years, W. Bush, Obama; Trump will probably be part of that club too.
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Post by slappy on Sept 18, 2019 1:05:55 GMT -5
If Tulsi is the Dem nominee, I'll vote for her. Otherwise I'll hold my nose and vote for Trump.
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Post by CM Poor on Sept 18, 2019 8:20:05 GMT -5
If Tulsi is the Dem nominee, I'll vote for her. Otherwise I'll hold my nose and vote for Trump. Weren't you like, gung-ho for Trump three years ago after Hillary spoke out of turn celebrating the Reagans or something?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2019 9:46:40 GMT -5
The Democrats have done an excellent job of making Trump look electable.
Tulsi's the only reasonable one of the entire lot and there's absolutely no way she'll get the nomination.
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Post by slappy on Sept 18, 2019 12:13:55 GMT -5
If Tulsi is the Dem nominee, I'll vote for her. Otherwise I'll hold my nose and vote for Trump. Weren't you like, gung-ho for Trump three years ago after Hillary spoke out of turn celebrating the Reagans or something? Yes but Trump has been a mess and broken a lot of promises.
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Post by CM Poor on Sept 18, 2019 12:30:05 GMT -5
Weren't you like, gung-ho for Trump three years ago after Hillary spoke out of turn celebrating the Reagans or something? Yes but Trump has been a mess and broken a lot of promises. I'll give you this...having talked politics with you off and on for as long as I have, you might have the single most fascinating political journey post-GWB that I've ever encountered.
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Post by Codyverse: Tag Team Champion on Sept 20, 2019 4:36:40 GMT -5
So... you can hope for the world to end over Trump winning again but my post gets deleted?
Lmao okay
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Post by Old School Collector on Sept 22, 2019 13:37:51 GMT -5
Trump 2020 🇺🇸
Most Democrats have lost touch with reality and pander so hard for votes ... then do nothing but cry and complain.
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Post by rkmo: 9 Month Warning on Sept 22, 2019 15:15:10 GMT -5
Trump 2020 🇺🇸 Most Democrats have lost touch with reality and pander so hard for votes ... then do nothing but cry and complain. Kinda hard to accomplish anything when the opposing side generally sees "bipartisanship" as being policies 100% in their vision and the only input allowed from the other side is an affirmative vote of support, and vows to not allow anything else to pass. Especially the dynamic where for now on any Dem legislation that might sneak thru Congress will be challenged by GOP-controlled State Houses and ultimately heard by a leaned Supreme Court, that will only stand to get more so in the near future.
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Post by crashholly2002 on Sept 22, 2019 15:53:03 GMT -5
remember when Howard Dean got self-sabotaged in the presidential primaries by the left in 2004, all because he ran a grass-roots campaign
good times, good times...
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Post by CM Poor on Sept 23, 2019 8:54:25 GMT -5
remember when Howard Dean got self-sabotaged in the presidential primaries by the left in 2004, all because he ran a grass-roots campaign good times, good times... Howard Dean is a wonderful, wonderful reference point to illustrate just how drastically electoral politics have changed in the past fifteen years. A high energy, closing rally cry, punctuated with a "yeah!" delivered in a slightly elevated pitch is largely credited with derailing the Dean Machine almost entirely. Contrast that with 2016-2020, and any number of instances of candidates dropping repeat "MF'ers", disparaging entire voter bases as 'deplorable', disparaging entire nations as being full of criminals and rapists, being caught less than discretely boasting about sexual assault, being Joe Biden, etc., and Howard Dean begins to see himself framed in the same discussion as a smaller wrestler who was just unfortunately born into the prime of his career when the WWE had a stringent height/weight minimum that they were unwilling to deviate from. In 2016-2020, nobody'd likely think twice about "The Dean Scream".
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2019 9:40:24 GMT -5
remember when Howard Dean got self-sabotaged in the presidential primaries by the left in 2004, all because he ran a grass-roots campaign good times, good times... Howard Dean woulda been in memed into office if he did that scream in 2016
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2019 9:43:16 GMT -5
Trump 2020 🇺🇸 Most Democrats have lost touch with reality and pander so hard for votes ... then do nothing but cry and complain. Kinda hard to accomplish anything when the opposing side generally sees "bipartisanship" as being policies 100% in their vision and the only input allowed from the other side is an affirmative vote of support, and vows to not allow anything else to pass. Especially the dynamic where for now on any Dem legislation that might sneak thru Congress will be challenged by GOP-controlled State Houses and ultimately heard by a leaned Supreme Court, that will only stand to get more so in the near future. As if Democrats are at all willing to work with Trump. Illegal Immigration, terrorism, peace with North Korea should be non-partisan issues but Dems have made them partisan because they're the anti-Trump party. I mean me Dems defended MS13 because Trump bashed them.
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Post by slappy on Sept 23, 2019 9:49:27 GMT -5
I think we should all chill and let Marianne be President so we can just vibe out for 8 years.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2019 10:36:45 GMT -5
So... you can hope for the world to end over Trump winning again but my post gets deleted? Lmao okay You can do whatever you want once your username gets highlighted in red.
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