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Post by rkmo: 10 Month Notice on Sept 23, 2019 10:59:10 GMT -5
Kinda hard to accomplish anything when the opposing side generally sees "bipartisanship" as being policies 100% in their vision and the only input allowed from the other side is an affirmative vote of support, and vows to not allow anything else to pass. Especially the dynamic where for now on any Dem legislation that might sneak thru Congress will be challenged by GOP-controlled State Houses and ultimately heard by a leaned Supreme Court, that will only stand to get more so in the near future. As if Democrats are at all willing to work with Trump. Illegal Immigration, terrorism, peace with North Korea should be non-partisan issues but Dems have made them partisan because they're the anti-Trump party. I mean me Dems defended MS13 because Trump bashed them. They have provided him much more than Republicans ever worked with Obama. They offered him $$$ for a wall and he scoffed at it once FOX primetime talkingheads shredded him for thinking about the offer (which left him to pilfer funds for domestic and foreign military projects in a desperate election ploy). It would have been so easy for anyone to declare "peace" with N. Korea if that really meant dismissing missile tests as not a big deal. Numerous instances of terrorism have occurred on US soil where innocent blood has been spilled, but nothing resulted from them because one side of the aisle refuses to declare it as such because the perpetrator wasn't a Muslim. Had to look up that last thing for context. Not even gonna dignify that one with a response lol
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Post by CM Poor: DeepFigureValue on Sept 23, 2019 11:52:37 GMT -5
As if Democrats are at all willing to work with Trump. Illegal Immigration, terrorism, peace with North Korea should be non-partisan issues but Dems have made them partisan because they're the anti-Trump party. I mean me Dems defended MS13 because Trump bashed them. They have provided him much more than Republicans ever worked with Obama. They offered him $$$ for a wall and he scoffed at it once FOX primetime talkingheads shredded him for thinking about the offer (which left him to pilfer funds for domestic and foreign military projects in a desperate election ploy). It would have been so easy for anyone to declare "peace" with N. Korea if that really meant dismissing missile tests as not a big deal. Numerous instances of terrorism have occurred on US soil where innocent blood has been spilled, but nothing resulted from them because one side of the aisle refuses to declare it as such because the perpetrator wasn't a Muslim. Had to look up that last thing for context. Not even gonna dignify that one with a response lol I did the same. I went several pages deep through link after link of Trump and his allies accusing "Democrats" (in blanketing context, with no specificity, as is tradition) of defending and/or advocating for the existence of MS-13 with no supporting evidence. The closest example I could find was backlash over the language Trump had used to indirectly refer to the gang ('animals'), but even in specific context, I feel like that's a semantic stretch geared toward weaponizing one's attempts at compassion or pacifism into something it isn't, i.e. if one is against capital punishment, they are effectively defending the perpetrators of crimes punishable by death.
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Post by johnnyb on Sept 23, 2019 12:51:53 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2019 13:23:28 GMT -5
As if Democrats are at all willing to work with Trump. Illegal Immigration, terrorism, peace with North Korea should be non-partisan issues but Dems have made them partisan because they're the anti-Trump party. I mean me Dems defended MS13 because Trump bashed them. They have provided him much more than Republicans ever worked with Obama. They offered him $$$ for a wall and he scoffed at it once FOX primetime talkingheads shredded him for thinking about the offer (which left him to pilfer funds for domestic and foreign military projects in a desperate election ploy). It would have been so easy for anyone to declare "peace" with N. Korea if that really meant dismissing missile tests as not a big deal. Numerous instances of terrorism have occurred on US soil where innocent blood has been spilled, but nothing resulted from them because one side of the aisle refuses to declare it as such because the perpetrator wasn't a Muslim. Had to look up that last thing for context. Not even gonna dignify that one with a response lol The whole "whatabout Republicans when Obama was in charge" is irrelevant. This is about Democrats being the anti-Trump party, they could have risen above all of that to work with Trump to secure the border and prevent dangerous individuals entering the country but they're too busy playing the "muh racist" card. Democrats desperately blocked the travel ban, Iwhich was comprised of a list of countries the Obama administration deemed high risk for terrorism) purely because it was Trump who enacted it. A plethora of Dems came out against Trump's comments on MS13 being animals, including Schumer, Feinstein, Pelosi, Crowley and the media echoed with gems like this: But well done mate, this whole post sums up the mentality of the left that will guarantee Trump getting his 2nd term. You've all made Trump look like the sane choice. Enjoy lol.
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Post by T R W on Sept 23, 2019 13:34:53 GMT -5
They have provided him much more than Republicans ever worked with Obama. They offered him $$$ for a wall and he scoffed at it once FOX primetime talkingheads shredded him for thinking about the offer (which left him to pilfer funds for domestic and foreign military projects in a desperate election ploy). It would have been so easy for anyone to declare "peace" with N. Korea if that really meant dismissing missile tests as not a big deal. Numerous instances of terrorism have occurred on US soil where innocent blood has been spilled, but nothing resulted from them because one side of the aisle refuses to declare it as such because the perpetrator wasn't a Muslim. Had to look up that last thing for context. Not even gonna dignify that one with a response lol The whole "whatabout Republicans when Obama was in charge" is irrelevant. This is about Democrats being the anti-Trump party, they could have risen above all of that to work with Trump to secure the border and prevent dangerous individuals entering the country but they're too busy playing the "muh racist" card. Democrats desperately blocked the travel ban, Iwhich was comprised of a list of countries the Obama administration deemed high risk for terrorism) purely because it was Trump who enacted it. A plethora of Dems came out against Trump's comments on MS13 being animals, including Schumer, Feinstein, Pelosi, Crowley and the media echoed with gems like this: But well done mate, this whole post sums up the mentality of the left that will guarantee Trump getting his 2nd term. You've all made Trump look like the sane choice. Enjoy lol. Like, at least 75% of your talking points are from Ukrainian memes that everyone's racist uncle shares on Facebook.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2019 14:02:43 GMT -5
The whole "whatabout Republicans when Obama was in charge" is irrelevant. This is about Democrats being the anti-Trump party, they could have risen above all of that to work with Trump to secure the border and prevent dangerous individuals entering the country but they're too busy playing the "muh racist" card. Democrats desperately blocked the travel ban, Iwhich was comprised of a list of countries the Obama administration deemed high risk for terrorism) purely because it was Trump who enacted it. A plethora of Dems came out against Trump's comments on MS13 being animals, including Schumer, Feinstein, Pelosi, Crowley and the media echoed with gems like this: But well done mate, this whole post sums up the mentality of the left that will guarantee Trump getting his 2nd term. You've all made Trump look like the sane choice. Enjoy lol. Everyone who doesn't regurgitate my leftist beliefs is racist FTFY
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Post by rkmo: 10 Month Notice on Sept 23, 2019 14:14:59 GMT -5
They have provided him much more than Republicans ever worked with Obama. They offered him $$$ for a wall and he scoffed at it once FOX primetime talkingheads shredded him for thinking about the offer (which left him to pilfer funds for domestic and foreign military projects in a desperate election ploy). It would have been so easy for anyone to declare "peace" with N. Korea if that really meant dismissing missile tests as not a big deal. Numerous instances of terrorism have occurred on US soil where innocent blood has been spilled, but nothing resulted from them because one side of the aisle refuses to declare it as such because the perpetrator wasn't a Muslim. Had to look up that last thing for context. Not even gonna dignify that one with a response lol The whole "whatabout Republicans when Obama was in charge" is irrelevant. This is about Democrats being the anti-Trump party, they could have risen above all of that to work with Trump to secure the border and prevent dangerous individuals entering the country but they're too busy playing the "muh racist" card. Democrats desperately blocked the travel ban, Iwhich was comprised of a list of countries the Obama administration deemed high risk for terrorism) purely because it was Trump who enacted it. A plethora of Dems came out against Trump's comments on MS13 being animals, including Schumer, Feinstein, Pelosi, Crowley and the media echoed with gems like this: But well done mate, this whole post sums up the mentality of the left that will guarantee Trump getting his 2nd term. You've all made Trump look like the sane choice. Enjoy lol. Looking at the entire climate of political tension, I doubt my views turn anyone against one candidate/party lol And one should not simply dismiss the previous administration as that is the entire driving force behind most of this one's policy decisions, often reversing and dismantling the previous dude's goals. The actions of Congressional leadership under the previous administration should also stand in direct comparison to what has occurred these past few years. $25 billion for border security, left on the table. Look to CM Poor: DeepFigureValue for the "animals" take as I echo that sentiment. I will give you this, making T***p the only focal point is the wrong strategy about this. Like treating a symptom without acknowledging the underlying causes. Any other Conservative could easily be delivering the same results, but at least would make them appear much more tolerable. The party's fear of ditching him in 2016 and splintering off voters landed us where we find ourselves now, and the reasons for that reaction should be Dems' main goal. Breaking down the walls of blind partisanship, obnoxious obstruction, and willful ignorance and revealing the true natures of those currently in power.
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Post by T R W on Sept 23, 2019 14:16:17 GMT -5
Everyone who doesn't regurgitate my leftist beliefs is racist FTFY I have voted conservative more than you and just about anyone on this forum I can guarantee.
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Post by Old School Collector on Sept 23, 2019 14:27:24 GMT -5
Kinda hard to accomplish anything when the opposing side generally sees "bipartisanship" as being policies 100% in their vision and the only input allowed from the other side is an affirmative vote of support, and vows to not allow anything else to pass. Especially the dynamic where for now on any Dem legislation that might sneak thru Congress will be challenged by GOP-controlled State Houses and ultimately heard by a leaned Supreme Court, that will only stand to get more so in the near future. As if Democrats are at all willing to work with Trump. Illegal Immigration, terrorism, peace with North Korea should be non-partisan issues but Dems have made them partisan because they're the anti-Trump party. I mean me Dems defended MS13 because Trump bashed them. 💯
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Post by CM Poor: DeepFigureValue on Sept 23, 2019 14:56:01 GMT -5
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Post by johnnyb on Sept 23, 2019 15:50:11 GMT -5
The only people worse than open, enthusiastic Trump voters are the "the other side is so bad it turned me into a Trump supporter!" types. People looking for an excuse to "put up" with his bigotry.
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Post by Artie Kendall on Sept 23, 2019 17:30:58 GMT -5
Kinda hard to accomplish anything when the opposing side generally sees "bipartisanship" as being policies 100% in their vision and the only input allowed from the other side is an affirmative vote of support, and vows to not allow anything else to pass. Especially the dynamic where for now on any Dem legislation that might sneak thru Congress will be challenged by GOP-controlled State Houses and ultimately heard by a leaned Supreme Court, that will only stand to get more so in the near future. As if Democrats are at all willing to work with Trump. Illegal Immigration, terrorism, peace with North Korea should be non-partisan issues but Dems have made them partisan because they're the anti-Trump party. I mean me Dems defended MS13 because Trump bashed them.
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Post by kennyw86v2 on Sept 23, 2019 19:18:30 GMT -5
5 pages in and we still camt agree both sides are full of pieces of crap that would just as soon see you die than see you prosper.
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Post by johnnyb on Sept 23, 2019 20:38:18 GMT -5
5 pages in and we still camt agree both sides are full of pieces of crap that would just as soon see you die than see you prosper. I mean.......... several Democrats in the primary are literally running on Medicare-For-All.
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Post by kennyw86v2 on Sept 24, 2019 5:48:42 GMT -5
5 pages in and we still camt agree both sides are full of pieces of crap that would just as soon see you die than see you prosper. I mean.......... several Democrats in the primary are literally running on Medicare-For-All. You must be 13. Politicians lie. Now you know.
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Post by RSCTom on Sept 24, 2019 9:46:48 GMT -5
No surprise this thread that was initially about Democratic candidates and their ideals, differences and policies has been highjacked by Conservative hot air spewing!
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Post by slappy on Sept 24, 2019 9:56:52 GMT -5
No surprise this thread that was initially about Democratic candidates and their ideals, differences and policies has been highjacked by Conservative hot air spewing! It should just be a politics thread unless we are going to make a Republican thread too.
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Post by CM Poor: DeepFigureValue on Sept 24, 2019 10:10:09 GMT -5
No surprise this thread that was initially about Democratic candidates and their ideals, differences and policies has been highjacked by Conservative hot air spewing! While some users are less than articulate in making the case for their point of view over another, I'd argue that it's next to impossible to discuss any step in the electoral process without allowing for a degree of discussion on the current political climate, especially in an incumbent situation. The Democratic slate, while plentiful and varied, aren't competing with one another to attain a seat situated within a political vacuum. There's a bigger picture to be had, and the situational possibilities of each of these candidates in that step of the race is absolutely pertinent to the discussion.
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Post by RSCTom on Sept 24, 2019 11:19:10 GMT -5
It should just be a politics thread unless we are going to make a Republican thread too. I'd be up for a politics thread, though I know it's not something that everyone can handle. I'm more commenting on the fact that the one dude wandered into a thread clearly labeled 'Democratic Presidential Debates' and started with usual MAGA fairytale cheerleading as if we don't have to hear it from the White House every day. I'd be happy for a Republican thread where everyone of that mindset can all shake hands and eat breakfast together...that's easy for me to ignore. While some users are less than articulate in making the case for their point of view over another, I'd argue that it's next to impossible to discuss any step in the electoral process without allowing for a degree of discussion on the current political climate, especially in an incumbent situation. The Democratic slate, while plentiful and varied, aren't competing with one another to attain a seat situated within a political vacuum. There's a bigger picture to be had, and the situational possibilities of each of these candidates in that step of the race is absolutely pertinent to the discussion. I don't think I've been anything other than clear in this entire thread that I'm all about bigger picture discussions. What's exhausting is this: Errrmyygaawwddd we’re gonna take your assault weapons ! Free Everything for everyone ! Yay NAFTA, lets ruin more American blue collar jobs ! Lets force everyone to drop their private insurance and charge them what we want to! Socialism 👍🏻 I once could have decent discussions with folks on the left ... even agreed with some of their policies and ideas ... hell, I even voted for Obama his first term ! However, that party has become so out of touch with reality that I don’t even think they truly care about American values anymore. All they do is preach anti Trump, that’s literally it. Hell, Biden cant even recall his own lies about health care during the debate 🤦🏼♂️ People need to stop playing victim cards and stop completely siding with a certain party ... just side with whats best for this country ... not to appease other countries or fascist groups. basically just causing this to descend into a Trump vs. no-Trump discussion. Again, it's fine, I suppose, but I thought the initial thread was to touch on the debates / differences in current crop of candidates. Seems like we do really just need a politics thread. Too bad that doesn't work very well.
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Post by CM Poor: DeepFigureValue on Sept 24, 2019 11:24:09 GMT -5
At the bare minimum, just make it the 2020 Election thread. No sense in tying it to one party or another.
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