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Post by superjswo on Jul 5, 2007 21:51:29 GMT -5
In response to ROH's long post (don't want to quote it to take up time): Time is money, my friend. So no worries. I agree with what most of what you said. Joe was NOT promised the belt. Maybe Joe was under the impression that he would get the title. The only wrestler to be promised the belt and not get it was Monty Brown. That's one reason why he is in the WWE right now. No, Joe was definitely promised the belt by Jarrett. Hands down, absolute truth. Digging yourself out of that big of a hole is not impossible. Especially when the company backing the promotion has billions of dollars to spend. Obviously ROH doesn't need a creative team, and obviously TNA does. Yes, ROH treats their talent better. But they are a much smaller company and closer together. I honestly can't see ROH being on a mainstream TV channel. And action figures matter because wrestlers make money off of them. With TNA running in its current status, it is impossible. Financially speaking, it has taken TNA roughly 48 million dollars to get to this point. 48/5(yrs)= about 9 million dollars for the next five years would have to be in profit. That's not happening. The size of a company is irrelevent, if you don't treat your employees well, they will find work elsewhere. If an employee doesn't feel valued, they leave the job. The network ROH would fit most on is HBO, and that's a distinct possibility if and only if the PPV deal works. Action figures make minimal money for TNA wrestlers because they get a flat fee and no residual checks. That's only from DVD's and PPV's. |
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Post by American Phenom on Jul 5, 2007 21:54:13 GMT -5
No, Joe was definitely promised the belt by Jarrett. Hands down, absolute truth. Well isn't Joe in a storyline for the World Title now? Not saying he is going to win it, but he IS in a storyline where he is trying to get Kurt Angle's world title. Some of you are making a mountain out of a molehill, we still got 16 months before Joe's contract runs out. Let's just enjoy his matches and whatever decision he does in fact make, we respect it. |
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Post by superjswo on Jul 5, 2007 21:55:42 GMT -5
Well isn't Joe in a storyline for the World Title now? Not saying he is going to win it, but he IS in a storyline where he is trying to get Kurt Angle's world title. Some of you are making a mountain out of a molehill, we still got 16 months before Joe's contract runs out. Let's just enjoy his matches and whatever decision he does in fact make, we respect it. He's in a chase for the title, yes. Will he be beating Angle for the belt anytime soon? 99.999% chance he won't be. |
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Post by christian1cage on Jul 5, 2007 21:57:31 GMT -5
Well isn't Joe in a storyline for the World Title now? Not saying he is going to win it, but he IS in a storyline where he is trying to get Kurt Angle's world title. Some of you are making a mountain out of a molehill, we still got 16 months before Joe's contract runs out. Let's just enjoy his matches and whatever decision he does in fact make, we respect it. He's in a chase for the title, yes. Will he be beating Angle for the belt anytime soon? 99.999% chance he won't be. I honestly think he'll win it. It's pretty obvious they will do Joe-Angle @ BFG. Angle will have had the belt for 4 months, and Joe will be the face challenger. TNA seems to like having faces win the belt on their biggest stage, so I expect that to continue. |
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Post by American Phenom on Jul 5, 2007 22:00:38 GMT -5
Well isn't Joe in a storyline for the World Title now? Not saying he is going to win it, but he IS in a storyline where he is trying to get Kurt Angle's world title. Some of you are making a mountain out of a molehill, we still got 16 months before Joe's contract runs out. Let's just enjoy his matches and whatever decision he does in fact make, we respect it. He's in a chase for the title, yes. Will he be beating Angle for the belt anytime soon? 99.999% chance he won't be. With TNA's mindset, you could be right. But I did hear rumors of a match between Kurt Angle and Sting for Bound for Glory, and it also said TNA didn't want to make it a title match. I read that over on talk iMPACT about a week or two ago, who knows if it's true. I mean, I'd love to see Kurt Angle vs. Sting, not from a wrestling standpoint because Sting sucks, but it will just be a good match. And since they don't want to make it a title match, I'd love to see Joe and Daniels wrestle once more for the title, and maybe throw AJ in the mix for old times sake (With Joe retaining, of course). I mean, that feud's been done to death but it will still be great. Especially main eventing Bound for Glory. |
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Post by superjswo on Jul 5, 2007 22:01:03 GMT -5
He's in a chase for the title, yes. Will he be beating Angle for the belt anytime soon? 99.999% chance he won't be. I honestly think he'll win it. It's pretty obvious they will do Joe-Angle @ BFG. Angle will have had the belt for 4 months, and Joe will be the face challenger. TNA seems to like having faces win the belt on their biggest stage, so I expect that to continue. I hope for TNA's sake they get their act together and put the belt on him. I'd be wonderful to see both he and Punk as champs in both companies. If TNA can't get RVD or Jericho, then I expect Joe to have the belt at some point, but I'm not sure I have the confidence in TNA's booking to do things right by Joe. |
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Post by superjswo on Jul 5, 2007 22:03:59 GMT -5
With TNA's mindset, you could be right. But I did hear rumors of a match between Kurt Angle and Sting for Bound for Glory, and it also said TNA didn't want to make it a title match. I read that over on talk iMPACT about a week or two ago, who knows if it's true. I mean, I'd love to see Kurt Angle vs. Sting, not from a wrestling standpoint because Sting sucks, but it will just be a good match. And since they don't want to make it a title match, I'd love to see Joe and Daniels wrestle once more, and maybe throw AJ in the mix for old times sake. I mean, that feud's been done to death but it will still be great. Especially main eventing Bound for Glory. TNA from day one should have had the guys who first hit national tv in their company beating WWE guys. That means Joe, Abyss, Styles, Daniels, Sabin, Shelley, Homicide, Hernandez, Low Ki, Lethal, etc. all should been beating guys like Angle, Nash, Steiner, Dudleys, Sting, etc. It makes WWE look weak, and the TNA allegedly home grown stars look strong. You don't create top main event talent by having them lose or get screwed out of a title shot every time. |
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Post by American Phenom on Jul 5, 2007 22:04:19 GMT -5
I honestly think he'll win it. It's pretty obvious they will do Joe-Angle @ BFG. Angle will have had the belt for 4 months, and Joe will be the face challenger. TNA seems to like having faces win the belt on their biggest stage, so I expect that to continue. I hope for TNA's sake they get their act together and put the belt on him. I'd be wonderful to see both he and Punk as champs in both companies. If TNA can't get RVD or Jericho, then I expect Joe to have the belt at some point, but I'm not sure I have the confidence in TNA's booking to do things right by Joe. We can only pray that this whole Angle/Joe feud won't end with Angle retaining. If that does happen, I'll be the first one to say that Joe SHOULD go back to Ring of Honor. But for now, I'll wait it out. I understand. The problem is, TNA seems afraid of pushing their homegrown stars lately. Back in 2005, they didn't. But now, they do. The Voodoo Kin Mafia requested releases from their contracts...GIVE IT TO THEM. DeVon is showing interest in going back to WWE...LET TEAM 3D GO. Just let them job on the way out. Nash plays his role perfectly as the MCMG's manager, so let him stay. Sting will be gone by the end of the year. Jarrett is currently on a hiatus. Christian plays his role perfectly. Kurt Angle is fine. TNA just needs to smarten up. I mean, once you turn down the  ing Briscoe Brothers, then you know you aren't making good decisions. |
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Post by superjswo on Jul 5, 2007 22:08:46 GMT -5
Actually, Mark & Jay turned down TNA, as did Nigel McGuinness to sign with Ring of Honor and NOAH.
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Post by American Phenom on Jul 5, 2007 22:12:47 GMT -5
Actually, Mark & Jay turned down TNA, as did Nigel McGuinness to sign with Ring of Honor and NOAH. You sure? I know I read reports that the Briscoe Brothers had a tryout match with TNA and TNA wasn't interested at the time. |
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Post by superjswo on Jul 5, 2007 22:15:30 GMT -5
Actually, Mark & Jay turned down TNA, as did Nigel McGuinness to sign with Ring of Honor and NOAH. You sure? I know I read reports that the Briscoe Brothers had a tryout match with TNA and TNA wasn't interested at the time. Mark and Jay were on one TNA Wednesday Night PPV in 2003, when they were respectively 18 & 19 years of age. The appeared wrestling the Hot Shots(I think) and a run in by someone I forget, I think Abyss ended the match in under 1 minute. Recently TNA offered deals to the Briscoes & McGuinness after news broke of ROH offering all talents contracts for the PPV deal. All three turned down the deals. |
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Post by American Phenom on Jul 5, 2007 22:17:28 GMT -5
You sure? I know I read reports that the Briscoe Brothers had a tryout match with TNA and TNA wasn't interested at the time. Mark and Jay were on one TNA Wednesday Night PPV in 2003, when they were respectively 18 & 19 years of age. The appeared wrestling the Hot Shots(I think) and a run in by someone I forget, I think Abyss ended the match in under 1 minute. Recently TNA offered deals to the Briscoes & McGuinness after news broke of ROH offering all talents contracts for the PPV deal. All three turned down the deals. I must of read a false report. But I know that I did in fact read that TNA was not interested in the Briscoe Brothers at one point. |
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Post by the franchise on Jul 5, 2007 22:38:07 GMT -5
Moving each PPV could be a good thing for TNA. Those fans in Florida really hurt the product.
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Post by comebackkid on Jul 5, 2007 23:42:44 GMT -5
Nash as Comic relief is GOLD Jeff, YOU KNOW THIS
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Post by thevileone on Jul 6, 2007 3:06:42 GMT -5
Can TNA really handle all their PPVs being out of town when they haven't really done a good job of selling out the PPV's that were not in Orlando?
Lockdown and Slammiversary were not sell out shows. Slammiversary couldn't even sell out the place where TNA started in after fans had begged them to come back for years.
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Post by Too Sweet on Jul 6, 2007 5:15:32 GMT -5
Whats wrong with being a Mark? People can Like and Defend whatever they want to, respect their Decisions in Liking something that you don't like, and Disliking something you Like.
As for this Whole Situation, IF they do a build up for a Joe VS Angle Match at BFG and have Joe win it and have a Good Run, we could see Joe resign, but If TNA isn't going to give Joe a World Title run I really think he won't re-sign again, but hey, TNA should be bigger next Year, So WE DONT KNOW YET!!!
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Post by moogie101 on Jul 6, 2007 5:38:51 GMT -5
I agree with TNA not letting their wrestlers perform for ROH, especially now they are on PPV they must be considered competition, however no reason to stop guys earning extra money working for the small indie shows especially if it helps increase morale.
TNA needs to really give Joe the strap & let him be the main guy in the company, the fans are screaming for it, but then the fans were screaming a few years ago for Monty Brown to get the belt but instead TNA knew better & he ended up working his way down the card before joining ECW, hate to see Joe going the same way.
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Post by Flyrfn144 on Jul 6, 2007 9:07:56 GMT -5
Can TNA really handle all their PPVs being out of town when they haven't really done a good job of selling out the PPV's that were not in Orlando? Lockdown and Slammiversary were not sell out shows. Slammiversary couldn't even sell out the place where TNA started in after fans had begged them to come back for years. They sure as hell didn't sell out but they did get more people than they did in Universal. Living in Florida and going to a lot of the events, I still think this is a good idea because it would draw bigger crowds, more money and a bigger fan base. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2007 10:06:05 GMT -5
Dude, this sucks! I hope TNA does something to keep these guys around. Joe, Sabin, Shelley, Ki, they are all great wrestlers. TNA should tell them that they can work in the indies and with TNA. That was a dumb thing to tell them they couldn't anyway. Why the hell not? They weren't hurting anything. Just making more money.
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Post by hailsabin2422 on Jul 6, 2007 10:34:31 GMT -5
TNA really needs to get their heads out of their asses and really push some of these guys and stop that whole thing were none of them can wrestle for any other companies.
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