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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Aug 7, 2019 15:37:58 GMT -5
Just curious as to what everyone feels about the women's division as of late.
It seems lately that there isn't any steam or energy in that division. The women are having quick 5 minute matches again, and the Tag Title match was given some decent time but there seemed to be some botches and such during it.
Did the WWE rely too much on Ronda Rousey for that year and not worry enough about building new women stars??
I mean, Becky vs. Natalya and Bayley vs. Ember aren't high caliber matches. And Charlotte vs. Trish?? I have a feeling it's gonna not be as good as people hoped for.
It just seems like right now would be a very beneficial time for Ronda Rousey to make a return, even if she caused Becky to lose the Women's Title to Natalya.
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Post by rowdy1971 on Aug 7, 2019 15:49:35 GMT -5
LOL if Natalya NeidFART (hey! It WAS her gimmick once!) is in a main PPV title match? Yeah, it's suffering!!
The WWE needs to find someone new soon. Becky is getting stale and Bayley just has no charisma.
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Post by 5th Horsewoman on Aug 7, 2019 15:51:08 GMT -5
I only care about Alexa until Ronda shows back up.
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Post by ahunter8056 on Aug 7, 2019 16:03:17 GMT -5
Absolutely it has! But I think that's far more to do with WWE creative's complete ineptitude across the board. The whole show has been a terrible product, with the wildcard rule, the focus on Shane McMahon, and just painfully poor writing.
I don't think it's just Rousey leaving in particular when it comes to the women's division. In such a small division, multiple stars leaving TV at the exact same time was always going to have a negative effect. Rousey left/got injured, Sasha took time off for personal reasons, Nia got injured, Ruby got injured. That's a quarter of the RAW women's division, all gone at the exact same time.
Sure, you could say that that's no excuse, that WWE could have made the most of who they had left. But I think even if nobody had left, creative still wouldn't have a clue.
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Post by FUSamBaker on Aug 7, 2019 16:19:18 GMT -5
The only reason it’s suffered is because the lack of push they give some of the women. It has nothing to do with Rhonda.
Dana has a push coming, they knocked her back down.
Lacey (as much as I don’t like her) has a push, where is she?
Naomi has amazing skills but has been pushed back.
Sorry but Becky Lynch needs to be bumped back to mid card. She isn’t as great as some of you make her out to be. The whole rebel gimmick is played out.
I love Natalya but her push came out of left field. She’s a great wrestler and can hold her own. But her mic skills are just not there.
Rhonda is the last person who needs to come back for a gigantic push. She can’t wrestle, she can’t talk, she didn’t deserve a bit of the push they gave her. Her only reason for being there was so that the WM main event wouldn’t flop. Without her star power it wouldn’t have gone off. Sorry but Charlotte should have won that match. She can out wrestle most guys, let alone an MMA leftover and an overrated loud mouth.
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Post by cableV on Aug 7, 2019 16:24:06 GMT -5
It absolutely has. With Ronda gone, I don't think Vince cares about the division anymore and he isn't going to put much effort into it. He never wanted Becky to be the top female and she killed his dream of Charlotte being the one to beat Ronda at Mania. He's smart enough to know Becky is best for business right now, but I don't think he is overly enthused about it.
Ronda doesn't need to come back for the division to get better, they can do that without her, they just need to put some effort and good creative into the division. The shows have been improving little by little over the last few weeks. Hopefully, that improvement begins to show in the women's division soon.
Prediction - Knowing that Charlotte will never be accepted as the top face, Vince will turn Lacey and try to make her one of the top faces.
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Post by IRS on Aug 7, 2019 17:10:46 GMT -5
Yes. They clearly had no idea what they were doing after Rousey was gone, and they completely exhausted Charlotte/Becky, so they stick Becky in a miserable three-month feud with Lacey Evans - which could've been fine if it were a quick one-month easy feud for Becky, then she moved on to someone else. And then you stick Nattie with her. That'll put butts in the seats.
In my eyes, (heel) Sasha/Becky would've been the money match for SummerSlam. But, y'know... that obviously wasn't possible. Aside from the title picture though, it's pretty clear that WWE, at least for now, lost their boner for pushing the women. Until they need to drum up some good press again and pat themselves on the back.
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Post by marino13 on Aug 7, 2019 17:23:40 GMT -5
Does a bear scratch his ass in the woods?
Now would be the perfect time for them to have had Sasha as a heel to feud with Becky. But instead we got Natalya who has no credibility left getting a title shot. Or even a heel Asuka vs Becky could be great. But she's stuck in a tag team that gets no TV time. I thought Lacey was something new. And for the most part she did a fair job. But going back to Natalya was a huge drop.
Once Sasha & Nia return, I think things could be better. But for now... meh.
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Aug 7, 2019 17:56:47 GMT -5
To be truthful Rousey didn't even make much of an impact last year. Fans turned on her within months and all they cared about was Becky and Charlotte.
However over the last few months The Women's division has hit a low. Who on earth thought that Natalya would be a great opponent for Becky at Summerslam of all places. Far better women could've fought her for the title.
Bayley and Ember Moons feud doesn't excite me either. I'm not a fan of face vs face matches.
Another issue I have are the tag titles there is no room on both shows for a women's tag division and the belts have became non existent.
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Post by JTG on Aug 7, 2019 18:02:40 GMT -5
I think it has in the sense that when Rhonda was there, creative was focusing on her and by default the division which ultimately folded over into the Smackdown title picture as well. Now that she's gone, I get the sense that the women aren't as much of a priority as they once were. Becky is still hot, but she lacks any credible challengers because like others have said the wild card rule is taking away from each respective rosters women's divisions. I do think that they've done a better job than I thought they would in building the Becky/Nattie feud. Both women are solid workers so I think at the very least they'll put on a very solid match despite what you might think about either of their characters. I'm also happy that there will be a fresh matchup in Bayley and Ember Moon this Sunday, again both very capable workers.
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Post by Nivro™ on Aug 7, 2019 20:16:34 GMT -5
Not at all. It suffered more WITH her then without here. 2016-2018 WWE built stars & women accomplished major things in the company. Hell in a Cell, Money in the Bank, Royal Rumble, main eventing shows....Then Ronda shows up & squashes a 5 time champ in less then 4 minutes. Then she proceeds for the next 7 months to pop up on and off and completely steamroll every woman in the division. Sasha Banks, Bayley, Charlotte, Ruby Riott & the Riott Squad, Nia Jax, Mickie James, Nikki Bella....
Other then Becky Lynch, who did Ronda ever put over? Name one female that went into the ring with Ronda for either a match or a feud and came out better then they were before? Hell you can even argue she took the steam from Becky as they still protected her with the botched finish.
Ronda had her fun & little run. She needs to stay far far away from the WWE so the women that actually care & go out and work their asses off night in and night out can get the recognition they deserve.
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Post by Thought Collector on Aug 7, 2019 21:33:00 GMT -5
Not at all. It suffered more WITH her then without here. 2016-2018 WWE built stars & women accomplished major things in the company. Hell in a Cell, Money in the Bank, Royal Rumble, main eventing shows....Then Ronda shows up & squashes a 5 time champ in less then 4 minutes. Then she proceeds for the next 7 months to pop up on and off and completely steamroll every woman in the division. Sasha Banks, Bayley, Charlotte, Ruby Riott & the Riott Squad, Nia Jax, Mickie James, Nikki Bella.... Other then Becky Lynch, who did Ronda ever put over? Name one female that went into the ring with Ronda for either a match or a feud and came out better then they were before? Hell you can even argue she took the steam from Becky as they still protected her with the botched finish. Ronda had her fun & little run. She needs to stay far far away from the WWE so the women that actually care & go out and work their asses off night in and night out can get the recognition they deserve. I'd say Charlotte at Survivor Series-if it wasn't for Ronda springing up and storming up the aisle like nothin happened after Charlotte took a kendo stick and splintered it into toothpicks on her lol. |
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Aug 8, 2019 3:12:57 GMT -5
Any division suffers when it loses it’s top star. Just usually there isn’t that much of a gap between the top star and the person in second place.
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Post by Controversial Maverick PUNK on Aug 8, 2019 8:52:41 GMT -5
She's not been missed - in fact I'd forgotten all about her, till I'd seen this. Saying that, I wouldn't be against her coming back and just annihilating Lynch - thus ending this 'the man' nonsense.
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Post by OTC Waxbender on Aug 8, 2019 9:34:23 GMT -5
Did somebody really say Charlotte would beat Rousey in an actual fight? What a mark.
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Post by LA Times on Aug 8, 2019 10:05:27 GMT -5
Did somebody really say Charlotte would beat Rousey in an actual fight? What a mark. When Asuka was undefeated, there were many fans who thought she could beat Ronda Rousey in a shoot. The Womens division isnt suffering. They have an embarassment of riches, but the company doesnt know what to do with the talent they have. |
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Post by Jonathan Karate on Aug 8, 2019 10:58:04 GMT -5
Absolutely.
Nothing has felt “big” since Mania when it comes to the women.
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Post by havoc7179 on Aug 8, 2019 11:13:23 GMT -5
What you're seeing is the fallout of makign the division all about Ronda. What should have been a huge moment for Asuka to establish her as a viable star was given no coverage (Ronda literally blocked Asuka out of photos of that night given her height and where she was staged). All the contenders that existed against Ronda were made to look pitiful--save for Charlotte and Becky.
Even Becky lost momentum because Ronda kicked out. sure WWE didn't mention it, but I like to think there are some people who watched WM 35. I know it's a small show that is treated like a C PPV, but surely someone saw that match and thinks the win was tainted. /sarcasm
Point is, WWE built its division around one woman. Now that she is gone, it needs to rebuild. Bayley needed to basically be rebuilt for a long time, but they couldn't do it during the Reign of Ronda because that would take the spotlight off Ronda. There is a backlog of stars that need to be rebuilt after not being featured or being jobbed out to Ronda, and that takes time.
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Post by Iron Bison on Aug 8, 2019 11:35:16 GMT -5
Its suffered since she arrived.
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Post by marino13 on Aug 8, 2019 14:37:53 GMT -5
It was smart not to have Ronda lose till the right moment. Had she suffered several pin-falls loses over the year, it would not have meant nearly as much when Becky pinned her. Having an unbeatable Ronda going into WM, made face Becky the hottest star in the business.
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