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Post by Gorilla on Aug 14, 2019 8:17:40 GMT -5
Many past WWE stars began their careers as part of a tag team. It seems like this is not a typical practice anymore.
Hart Foundation: Bret Hart (IC & world champ)
Rockers: Shawn Michaels (IC & world champ)
Dream Team: Brutus Beefcake (IC contender)
Strike Force: Rick Martel (great long run as a heel, Santana dropped down the card)
British Bulldogs: Davey Boy Smith (IC champ and world title contender)
Rougeau Brothers: Jacques/Mountie (IC champ)
Hardy Boys: Jeff Hardy (IC & world champ)
Edge & Christian: Edge (IC & world champ)
American Alpha: Jason Jordan
Probably a bunch more I'm missing.
It's not always the case though, some timrs the team is greater than the sum of its parts like:
Demolition
Powers of Pain
Legion of Doom
The Headbangers
Viking Raiders/War Raiders
(Hey, they all have face paint!)
I wonder if it's because when you're in a team, fans always gravitate towards one wrestler. One guy is better, has more charisma, a better look, whatever it may be. It's like a unofficial platform to elevate one guy.
With all of this said, it feels like WWE don't focus on tag teams in the same way anymore. This started happening in the mid 90s. I wonder of having teams like Diesel/HBK, Rock/Sock, Austin/Taker, Edge/Hogan, Edge/Orton messed up a good thing? Ideally there should be some young guys being developed from within the WWE instead of only bringing in old indie guys like Styles, Roode, Nakamura or trying to recruit Omega.
Who do you guys see out of current tag teams as a future IC or world champ?
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Post by hammer on Aug 14, 2019 9:04:30 GMT -5
i always thought big e would be the eventual world champ contender out of new day. not that im mad at kofi getting a run, but e seemed to be more of the wwe type, and he definitely has charisma for days.
obviously its too early to call, but montez ford has a certain something about him. i wouldnt be surprised to see that as an instant break up when they get to the main roster. he definitely needs some fine tuning on the smaller parts of his in-ring work (he kinda quit selling his leg the other night, for instance)... but the athletics and the charisma, theres definitely something there.
and ive been a fan of zack gibson since his faceless/origin days in progress, but i dont know how free wheeling theyre gonna be about moving nxt:uk guys to the actual main roster. but i think hes the considerably stronger part of grizzled young vets... no knock on drake.
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Post by LA Times on Aug 14, 2019 10:21:08 GMT -5
Montez Ford was the first guy who came to mind when I think of tag team wrestlers who can be successful as singles. He definitely has the promo skills.
I dont see any member of The Revival, The OC, The Usos, Authors of Pain being far more successful than the other
Matt Hardy and Christian also had successful singles careers. Neither of them was a Marty Jannetty.
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Aug 14, 2019 10:31:12 GMT -5
The problem is that they never invest in either tag member when they break them up. It’s been the same scenario with every team they’ve broken up. One member turns on the other, they half invest on them two feuding, then both become jobbers. Hype Bros, PTP, Star & Goldust, etc.
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Post by jayrod2009 on Aug 14, 2019 10:53:13 GMT -5
Tag team wrestling has always been my favorite. I have been pleased fo see WWE utilize longevity in most teams. But when a team splits, 90% of the time one guy rises and the other is forgotten. Booker T became a legend after Harlem Heat.Bubba Ray outshined DVon, Ryder outshined Hawkins, Jeff outshined Matt until Matt used the broken gimmick. Rikishi became a hell of a player after the Islander days and The Sultan. Even outside of WWE, Lucha Bros, both shined as singles, but as a team, they are easily todays top stars.
I’d rather not see teams split, unless the story is there. The Rockers and The Hardys had great stories.
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Post by Gorilla on Aug 14, 2019 11:12:46 GMT -5
Good calls on Montez Ford. Good size, ability, still under 30, charismatic, good look. I could see him moving up over the next 3 years for sure. Dawkins is great as well, but he doesn't have the it factor.
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Post by rkmo: Everyone Else but Me on Aug 14, 2019 15:02:57 GMT -5
I personally see breaking up teams to be a disadvantage nowadays. So many are arbitrarily split just because Vince wants to take one dude in another direction, and that almost always fails because of Creative's weaknesses and Vince's short a** attention span. So instead of having a solid tag division with plenty to offer, the roster is filled with middling fodder for the top guys to run through.
It also doesn't help that Vince changed his views around the 2000's and saw more value in teaming up singles stars to dominate the division instead of natural tag teams. It does seem that has reversed lately.
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Post by Gorilla on Aug 14, 2019 16:26:19 GMT -5
I personally see breaking up teams to be a disadvantage nowadays. So many are arbitrarily split just because Vince wants to take one dude in another direction, and that almost always fails because of Creative's weaknesses and Vince's short a** attention span. So instead of having a solid tag division with plenty to offer, the roster is filled with middling fodder for the top guys to run through. It also doesn't help that Vince changed his views around the 2000's and saw more value in teaming up singles stars to dominate the division instead of natural tag teams. It does seem that has reversed lately. I think you keep them together for a minimum of two years, then break them up if it makes sense. Obviously guys like Hansen and Rowe should never break up because no one cares about either of them. Side note, Anderson and Gallows should be booked like the Brainbusters |
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Post by cordless2016 on Aug 14, 2019 17:15:11 GMT -5
Tag team wrestling has always been my favorite. I have been pleased fo see WWE utilize longevity in most teams. But when a team splits, 90% of the time one guy rises and the other is forgotten. Booker T became a legend after Harlem Heat.Bubba Ray outshined DVon, Ryder outshined Hawkins, Jeff outshined Matt until Matt used the broken gimmick. Rikishi became a hell of a player after the Islander days and The Sultan. Even outside of WWE, Lucha Bros, both shined as singles, but as a team, they are easily todays top stars. I’d rather not see teams split, unless the story is there. The Rockers and The Hardys had great stories. I agree with all of this except for Matt being forgotten before the “broken” gimmick. Yeah Jeff was more successful, but matt had the successful “V1” gimmick and “Mattitude” runs from 2002-2010. He held various titles and his feud with Edge in 2005 made him one of the most over stars in the company at that time. |
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Post by marino13 on Aug 15, 2019 11:15:42 GMT -5
Montez Ford has IT. Barrels of IT. He has at least two storage sheds full of IT. I'd bet the house that he's a main eventer in the making.
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Post by LA Times on Aug 15, 2019 11:25:36 GMT -5
Montez Ford has IT. Barrels of IT. He has at least two storage sheds full of IT. I'd bet the house that he's a main eventer in the making. Not only that, but he was also a Marine, so he might be a future star of that franchise since The Miz died in Marine 6... |
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Post by LA Times on Aug 15, 2019 12:19:27 GMT -5
Tag team wrestling has always been my favorite. I have been pleased fo see WWE utilize longevity in most teams. But when a team splits, 90% of the time one guy rises and the other is forgotten. Booker T became a legend after Harlem Heat.Bubba Ray outshined DVon, Ryder outshined Hawkins, Jeff outshined Matt until Matt used the broken gimmick. Rikishi became a hell of a player after the Islander days and The Sultan. Even outside of WWE, Lucha Bros, both shined as singles, but as a team, they are easily todays top stars. I’d rather not see teams split, unless the story is there. The Rockers and The Hardys had great stories. I agree with all of this except for Matt being forgotten before the “broken” gimmick. Yeah Jeff was more successful, but matt had the successful “V1” gimmick and “Mattitude” runs from 2002-2010. He held various titles and his feud with Edge in 2005 made him one of the most over stars in the company at that time. LOL@ the 2005 Matt Hardy/Edge feud. They blew an opportunity to make Matt into a huge singles star. |
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Post by dollarbill04 on Aug 15, 2019 13:09:42 GMT -5
Montez Ford has IT. Barrels of IT. He has at least two storage sheds full of IT. I'd bet the house that he's a main eventer in the making. Not only that, but he was also a Marine, so he might be a future star of that franchise since The Miz died in Marine 6... THE MIZ DIES IN MARINE 6?!?!? NOOOOOOOOOO. |
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Post by LA Times on Aug 15, 2019 14:14:02 GMT -5
Not only that, but he was also a Marine, so he might be a future star of that franchise since The Miz died in Marine 6... THE MIZ DIES IN MARINE 6?!?!? NOOOOOOOOOO. LOL yeah, he got shot by Becky Lynch's henchmen and then she threw a knife into his heart |
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Post by Nivro™ on Aug 15, 2019 17:15:33 GMT -5
Montez Ford has IT. Barrels of IT. He has at least two storage sheds full of IT. I'd bet the house that he's a main eventer in the making. Not only that, but he was also a Marine, so he might be a future star of that franchise since The Miz died in Marine 6... SPOILER!!! my big lots is only on Marine 3!!! |
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Post by LA Times on Aug 15, 2019 17:35:03 GMT -5
Not only that, but he was also a Marine, so he might be a future star of that franchise since The Miz died in Marine 6... SPOILER!!! my big lots is only on Marine 3!!! Wow, I thought you could buy a Marine 1-6 DVD boxset at Walmart for like $5 |
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Post by Nivro™ on Aug 15, 2019 19:13:54 GMT -5
SPOILER!!! my big lots is only on Marine 3!!! Wow, I thought you could buy a Marine 1-6 DVD boxset at Walmart for like $5 That's a Black Friday special! |
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Post by Darkhawk on Aug 16, 2019 0:23:40 GMT -5
Gargano and Ciampa have both been pretty big stars in NXT.
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Aug 16, 2019 5:35:38 GMT -5
It still happens.
Roman Reigns
Seth Rollins
The Miz
Braun Strowman
Dolph Ziggler
Ricochet (main roster)
Aleister Black (main roster)
Buddy Murphy
Chad Gable
All got their start or big break as tag guys.
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Post by alanpartridge on Aug 16, 2019 10:43:05 GMT -5
The problem is that they never invest in either tag member when they break them up. It’s been the same scenario with every team they’ve broken up. One member turns on the other, they half invest on them two feuding, then both become jobbers. Hype Bros, PTP, Star & Goldust, etc. Yep. Cryme Tyme is another example. We all remember how big of a star Shad Gaspard was: |
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