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Post by havoc7179 on Sept 16, 2019 10:12:40 GMT -5
So my money is AJ is about to go embark on a Macho Man level complaining spree that will culminate in the OC intervening in the main event of HIAC. That will prevent the fiend from winning the title, result in a feud with the OC and result in Balor joining the OC to finally rid the world of the Fiend.
fiend will face anderson, then gallows, then AJ, then Balor who will come to aid AJ. Balor will fall only to bring back the demon at the royal rumble.
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Post by Codyverse: Tag Team Champion on Sept 16, 2019 10:27:29 GMT -5
I guess I’m the only one that remembers when talent didn’t win the World title right away. Back in my day (I’m old so I’m allowed to say that) it took years for someone to climb the ladder. I don’t recall anyone claiming Bret, HBK, Triple H, or Austin were being buried when they’d lose matches. I don’t recall any of them being branded a lost cause. Hell look at Kofi. It took him eleven years. You’d think for as much as people like to pretend to know everything, they’d know it’s never too late in wrestling. The problem isn’t people waiting to win the world title. The problem is that guys loose a bunch now before winning it. This was Braun’s SEVENTH attempt to win his FIRST world title on PPV (he’s also had many failed attempts on Raw to win the title as well). And he was booked to loose again. Steve Austin won his first world title on his third try on PPV. It took him 3 years to win the title, but he wasn’t booked to constantly loose title matches during that time (unlike Braun). HBK also won his first world title after 3 tries on PPV. Guys like The Rock and Brock won their first world titles in their first PPV world title shots. The issue isn’t a slow build. The issue is having these guys eat various pins over time that kill their momentum. Braun isn’t someone like Dean Ambrose who was booked as the underdog. Braun is a monster, similar to Brock and Goldberg. Unfortunately, he’s only booked like them when not fighting for a world title. The. He turns into an idiot who always fails in the big moments. Preach!
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Post by havoc7179 on Sept 16, 2019 10:58:33 GMT -5
Here's how I book going forward to protect the Fiend and get to a Demon vs. Fiend match at mania.
1) Have AJ and OC start complaining about being left off the main PPV. 2) Have AJ demand respect and start pummeling opponents like he did Cedric Alexander. 3) At HiaC, have AJ lose to Richochet in the originally conceived Ladder Match. This causes AJ to snap. 4) Have OC interfere and destroy the Rollins and Fiend (like Awesome Truth did years ago). This will invoke the wrath of Fiend. 5) AJ takes the Universal title off Rollins at the November PPV. Fiend starts hunting the OC. 6) At the December PPV, have Fiend beat Karl Anderson and "injure his neck" with the neck snap thing he did to Balor. 7) During the next or maybe the second Raw, have Fiend "injure" Gallows with the neck snap. 8) Turn AJ into a paranoid Macho Man Savage doppleganger where he's basically clutching the belt but still destroying mid carders and uppercarders during this time. 9) Have AJ face the Fiend at RR. 10) Fiend wins. Wins the title. Goes to injure AJ but is ran off by Finn Balor. 11) Balor joins OC. Balor and AJ face Fiend in February in a triple threat. Balor and AJ lose. Don't care which one gets pinned here. Might make sense AJ takes the pin and gets "injured" with balor unable to save him 12) Balor in March gets a one on one. Loses again. 13) Fiend is then challenged by the Demon at mania for the Universal title.;
Demon wins. OC comes out to congratulate Balor on his Mania moment.
OC starts to dominate again under new leadership. AJ and Balor then feud for Summerslam over the leadership of OC.
Fiend meanwhile is protected. Looks dominant and actually lives up to the " (Name) is gonna kill you " chants he and Joe get. Fiend loses to what is essentially another entity. He's protected. He then can go on another tear from there. If you do it this way, you protect him and his aura.
Otherwise, you either have Fiend destroy Rollins to win, but then what? How do you keep him hot? Other option is to have him lose at HiaC and kill his momentum.
Edit: Just realized Lex Luger is a better example than Savage here. Savage would hold the show hostage (which is what I sort of envisioned with AJ) and then beat up midcarders. There was a run where Luger would seem to injure his opponents. This is how I'd book AJ until the Fiend gets a hold of him.
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Post by Joey Cush on Sept 16, 2019 12:08:03 GMT -5
Was the show worth watching or will highlights do justice? Not trying to spend 3 hours watching for nothing.
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Post by tylerbreezee on Sept 16, 2019 13:51:18 GMT -5
Was the show worth watching or will highlights do justice? Not trying to spend 3 hours watching for nothing. Not worth watching.
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Sept 16, 2019 16:01:16 GMT -5
2/3 of The Shield fought all former members of The Wyatt Family.
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Post by Quazimoto on Sept 16, 2019 16:47:53 GMT -5
I watched the show live last night but was far too tired to thread head so I streamed the watch along on my phone simultaneously which was fairly enjoyable, I’d be pissed to be whoever had to clean up all the skittles on the floor lol. That being said it was a decent PPV. I wish somebody would explain to me why Shinsuke’s changed his gear though, it looks so odd. I can almost 100% guarantee that was a Vince McMahon decision. I'm certain he finally paid attention to a Nakamura match one time and noticed how Shinsuke's collarbones kinda jutted out and looked a little odd compared to most people, so he had him put a top on.
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Post by Rated [R] NinJa on Sept 16, 2019 17:18:27 GMT -5
I watched the show live last night but was far too tired to thread head so I streamed the watch along on my phone simultaneously which was fairly enjoyable, I’d be pissed to be whoever had to clean up all the skittles on the floor lol. That being said it was a decent PPV. I wish somebody would explain to me why Shinsuke’s changed his gear though, it looks so odd. I can almost 100% guarantee that was a Vince McMahon decision. I'm certain he finally paid attention to a Nakamura match one time and noticed how Shinsuke's collarbones kinda jutted out and looked a little odd compared to most people, so he had him put a top on. I think that’s more your opinion on Shinsuke than what you think Vince’s is. Shinsuke’s always tagging the designer in his Instagram posts so I’m pretty sure it was his decision seeing as he’s always been known to wear some outlandish things, but the onesie thing is a confusing choice.
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Post by Quazimoto on Sept 16, 2019 17:27:21 GMT -5
I actually really liked Clash Of Champions last night.
Both pre-show matches were very good. Loved the Cruiserweight Title Triple Threat and the US Title match had a real old school feel to it as shown a lot of promise in Cedric Alexander, but also displaying the skill and abilities of the tenured veteran in AJ Styles.
Can't say I cared a lot about the RAW Tag Team Championship match. Wasn't bad, just so painfully predictable and more of an angle leading into the Universal Title match later in the night than a real match.
Loved Bayley pulling some Ric Flair style shenanigans on Charlotte. Further enforces Bayley has a heel and allows her to seem like an intelligent competitor, which is sadly lacking in today's WWE.
Revival vs New Day was nearly great I thought. I wish Revival would have focused on Xaiver's knee a little earlier in the match, but at least it came into play for the finish, which was absolutely the right call. Given the proper time and platform, I think these two teams could have a match of the year candidate level contest one day.
Women's Tag Team Championship match was surprisingly good considering the ladies involved. It's not gonna be considered a classic by any means, but all the Ladies involved did good work with minimal flubs or awkwardness and the match did it's job in furthering the team of Alexa Bliss and Nikki Cross.
Intercontinental Title match was just there. It continues to be the title that's just sort of treading water and relying on past greatness to stay afloat. Match itself wasn't bad per say, just nothing above a real good RAW or SmackDown match and kind of got lost in the shuffle of the night.
Lynch vs Banks was everything it should have been. A hard fought contest that went back and forth and made both ladies seem to be legit championship material. Great decision to go with the non-finish and have the brawl afterwards. Really helped ramp up the rivalry and lead towards what will most likely be the second women's Hell In A Cell match next month.
Most people seemed to hate it for some reason, but I LOVED Randy Orton vs Kofi Kingston. IMO, it was an excellent match start to finish and had superb storytelling. I, for the life of me, don't understand how people can't love Kofi as champion and I hope he gets to ride that ride for a while yet. And say what you will about Orton, but when he's into it an motivated with an opponent, he's absolutely still one of the very best professional wrestlers of al time (though, to be fair, when he's not that interested it really shows as well). I thought both men were in top form last night and put on a hell of a good match with the right guy going over.
Reigns vs Rowan was alright. Pretty typical Roman Reigns match where he's made to look basically unbeatable unless you cheat or double team him. Rowan did really well for being thrust into a main event level feud so suddenly. I think they hurt him a bit by having Reigns seems so superhuman, but they do that with everyone Roman faces. Felt like Luke Harper would show up at some point and happy to see I was right. Rowan and Harper both are undervalued ad underutilized talents so I hope they get a chance to shine before Roman Reigns beats them both at the same time in his never ending quest to be John Cena.
Universal Championship match was good for what it was. The ship has officially sailed on Braun Strowman, and it's all WWE's own fault. Clash Of Champions wasn't the right time to make a title switch though, so the right guy won. I don't know where Braun goes from here. Maybe an IC Title feud or just go home for a while and make the crowd miss you or something. It's also totally WWE's own fault that Seth Rollins isn't getting the crowd reactions he should be as the babyface champion. He conquers the beast at WrestleMania and rides that wave into a hell of a great match against AJ Styles, then they kill all his momentum by putting him in a lengthy feud with Baron Corbin, adding Lacey Evans and Becky Lynch to the mix half way through. I'm a bit fan of Baron Corbin's work recently, but he was NOT the guy to put your newly crowned champion in a feud with to make him look good. A one of PPV match, sure, that would have worked, but a near three month feud just destroyed Rollin's momentum so bad that they had to do a reset with the whole Brock MITB cash in and SummerSlam rematch. The Fiend attacking Rollins at the end is intriguing. A bit predictable thanks to online spoilers, but has me curious and a bit excited to see where they go with it.
All in all, Clash Of Champions was a solid show. Certainly not event of the year, but there were at least four really good matches IMO and none that were bad, so I call that a successful show.
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Post by Quazimoto on Sept 16, 2019 17:33:06 GMT -5
I can almost 100% guarantee that was a Vince McMahon decision. I'm certain he finally paid attention to a Nakamura match one time and noticed how Shinsuke's collarbones kinda jutted out and looked a little odd compared to most people, so he had him put a top on. I think that’s more your opinion on Shinsuke than what you think Vince’s is. Shinsuke’s always tagging the designer in his Instagram posts so I’m pretty sure it was his decision seeing as he’s always been known to wear some outlandish things, but the onesie thing is a confusing choice. Not at all my opinion. I couldn't care less what any wrestler looks like. I'm all about how they perform. Suppose it's possible it was his decision. They'd been calling him a rock star, maybe he wanted to go with an Elvis jumpsuit vibe or something. I just think it's sounds like something Vince would direct. He's never been a fan of Asian folks, even reportedly saying that he doesn't understand how anyone could find Asian women's attractive (hence the reason Asuka and Kairi Sane are rotting on the sidelines now), so it certainly sounds like something Vince would say in regards to Shinsuke's anatomy.
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