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Post by rkmo: 9 Month Warning on Sept 17, 2019 1:15:07 GMT -5
My thoughts on Raw - Enjoying The OC dominating - Mike Kanellis and Rusev thing was stupid and I hate the storyline, it doesn't make any sense especially since everyone knows Rusev is married to Lana and WWE has mention it countless times. - Hate that Corbin won, Gable needed to win that match and would have gotten a huge pop from the crowd- Hate that Braun beats up the Tag Team Champions of both brands even though he lost to Rollins last night - Roode deserves better, WWE should keep giving him more time- Seeing Kane was cool I said in the thread, making Corbin the KOTR is throwing more gas on an already hot blaze. Baron is still riding intense heat from Mania so this is still overkill, so much so I believe he wasn't originally meant to be the winner. I know the regular trope of heels making more impact as tourney winners and faces traditionally gaining more popularity when coming up just short, but it would've given Gable some sort of thing. I mean, what exactly is he meant to be doing? Maybe I would be more open to King Corbin if we hadn't just seen a lackluster 3-month title feud with Seth. Watching NXT Toronto 2016 after Raw, I concluded Bobbert should be the recipient of the push to unseat Kofi, not tied to some superstar wannabe who is just riding out his "glory days" cashing Vince's checks. Instead we have a tag championship going to waste and Corbin probably in the driver's seat to beat Kofi, if Orton isn't the one.
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Post by RuthlessFigs on Sept 17, 2019 1:22:39 GMT -5
Not gonna lie, i was really impressed with this Glenn Jacobs guy, he's got the size and he seems to have good charisma! WWE should definitely sign him!
Kane returning was a cool moment too.
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Post by nate4589 on Sept 17, 2019 3:46:08 GMT -5
I wonder if Roode and Ziggler are really just a short term plan to give them a story? The way that Roode avoided getting clobbered and let Ziggler take a bullet twice in just a few seconds could really be the seeds for them already turning gassing each other. I just wish they didn’t need the tag belts to do so, but it could be worse, like Seth and Brawn still having them...
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Post by McBlake on Sept 17, 2019 6:14:54 GMT -5
Last night was one of those obscure, LSD fuelled episodes of Raw we seem to be getting more and more the past few years.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Sept 17, 2019 6:47:03 GMT -5
see the thing is, we have a world champ who is on the show every week, getting in-ring promos an fighting challengers I know, right? It’s almost like all that complaining about Brock being a part time champion was just complaining for the sake of complaining, and the champion being there every week doesn’t actually make the show good.
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Post by ahunter8056 on Sept 17, 2019 7:30:46 GMT -5
I honestly couldn't be happier each week with every interaction between the Four Horsewomen. I just LOVE everything they're writing for them at the minute. Sasha and Becky having a steel chair war was great. Made really unique by the sequence of them continuously ducking blows rather than just smacking each other. The minute Bayley got involved, you just knew Charlotte would be next to come out. Although I have to question why on earth she'd wear heels when she clearly couldn't run in them, it was still a really good moment to have Charlotte come out and save Becky.
There are so many possibilities they could go from here. Four Horsewomen tag team match at Survivor Series (possibly with both titles on the line), Charlotte and Becky as a fully fledged tag team to take over the division, WWE Four Horsewomen VS MMA Four Horsewomen at WrestleMania. So many potential directions. And I really cannot wait to find where they take it. This storyline is making the product exciting to me.
I just LOVE the focus on the Four Horsewomen. I've felt for years that's where it should be, and now it is. Right where they belong.
Becky VS Sasha inside Hell in a Cell will be amazing!
Everything to do with the Fiend was pretty good. Although I can't help but feel that the Fiend attack segments would be far more effective if Cole stopped talking entirely.
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Post by punksnotdead on Sept 17, 2019 9:28:22 GMT -5
I thought Raw was mostly fine. Nice to see Roode get some mic time. Hopefully that increases. I like the pairing with Ziggler. Roode is one half of one of the greatest tag teams of all time and he knows how to grow out of a tag team spot. I like that situation, at least until don't.
Thought The OC vs Cedric/Raiders was all great.
Corbin wins KOTR and the crowd goes mild! Corbin feels like Sheamus and Del Rio, but that's even a disservice to those two guys. The talent isn't there to be more than what he is but they keep strapping him with accolades to try and raise his stock with the audience. It hasn't worked and it's going to continue not to work. I think Gable got a nice rub from the whole deal. No complaints with him and hopefully they keep pushing him.
Thought the Mike and Maria thing was fine. Maria is trying to motivate him to not suck through manipulation. Rusev was coming back and Mike is a guy who can essentially work as a squash guy in his current story. I don't think Rusev really has anything to do with the story other than WWE wanted him to return and they were able to weave that into the Mike story.
Tag match was great.
The Fun House stuff was great all night. I liked the dq ending between Roode and Rollins. The ending was over booked but it worked to a crescendo. We opened with Bray, got Bray throughout, and then he was out there to close the show, essentially like he told you from the start. So at least it was complete storytelling with a beginning, middle, and end. I thought they got good use out of Kane in both situations. I think it's smart to put Rollins in a position where he has to fight up or uncomfortable. Again, it's 96 HBK booking (Mankind, Vader, Sid, Goldust).
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Post by hitmancmedge on Sept 17, 2019 10:22:27 GMT -5
Supposedly that show last night was entirely written by Heyman. Triple H has been in Orlando working with the NXT team for Wednesday and Vince and Kevin Dunn are away this week working on XFL stuff. Vince will not be involved in Smackdown tonight either.
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Post by Bandalero on Sept 17, 2019 10:55:32 GMT -5
I thought Raw was mostly fine. Nice to see Roode get some mic time. Hopefully that increases. I like the pairing with Ziggler. Roode is one half of one of the greatest tag teams of all time and he knows how to grow out of a tag team spot. I like that situation, at least until don't. Thought The OC vs Cedric/Raiders was all great. Corbin wins KOTR and the crowd goes mild! Corbin feels like Sheamus and Del Rio, but that's even a disservice to those two guys. The talent isn't there to be more than what he is but they keep strapping him with accolades to try and raise his stock with the audience. It hasn't worked and it's going to continue not to work. I think Gable got a nice rub from the whole deal. No complaints with him and hopefully they keep pushing him. Thought the Mike and Maria thing was fine. Maria is trying to motivate him to not suck through manipulation. Rusev was coming back and Mike is a guy who can essentially work as a squash guy in his current story. I don't think Rusev really has anything to do with the story other than WWE wanted him to return and they were able to weave that into the Mike story. Tag match was great. The Fun House stuff was great all night. I liked the dq ending between Roode and Rollins. The ending was over booked but it worked to a crescendo. We opened with Bray, got Bray throughout, and then he was out there to close the show, essentially like he told you from the start. So at least it was complete storytelling with a beginning, middle, and end. I thought they got good use out of Kane in both situations. I think it's smart to put Rollins in a position where he has to fight up or uncomfortable. Again, it's 96 HBK booking (Mankind, Vader, Sid, Goldust). I see a lot of negative comments coming Corbin's way, but I firmly believe in giving credit where credit is due, and he's played the heel in this tourney perfectly! He cheated when he had to, he's whined when he had to, and he goaded the crowd all the way through. I'm so happy they gave him and Gable ample time to fill and these two guys put on a clinic in ring psychology. I especially admired how Corbin played to the crowd every chance he got. He got the crowd fired up against him. That wasn't throw-away x-pac heat, that was blue flame heat! Does he need the King moniker/gimmick? Probably not, but it now positions the mid-card baby faces like Gable in a way that the audience will automatically get behind them because they want to see Corbin embarassed. Plus he gets to rub it in our faces as a true heel should. He's pretty solid in the ring too so you can't knock him for being green anymore. All around he's improved greatly since his feud with Seth. I think his Olive Garden waiter ring attire hasn't done him any favours, and he wears the tank top to hide the skinny fat - except half of WFigs would kill to have a physique like his. Now the King robe gets to cover that up a bit.
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Post by Thunder Chunky on Sept 17, 2019 10:56:00 GMT -5
Corbin winning did exactly what it was supposed to do. No one is happy, which is exactly what they are going for. You aren't supposed to like heels, and Corbin is by far the best one they've got now.
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Post by punksnotdead on Sept 17, 2019 13:14:24 GMT -5
Corbin winning did exactly what it was supposed to do. No one is happy, which is exactly what they are going for. You aren't supposed to like heels, and Corbin is by far the best one they've got now. Disagree. I think he's largely met with overwhelming indifference. I think Shane McMahon is the top heel in WWE. I think what Zayn and Nakamura are doing is following him, and honestly, when Elias is doing Elias, he's better than both those acts the way he turns the crowd imo. Last night was a Chad Gable rally. He was the underdog, Cinderella, story. He was destined to lose and his opposition was, by default, going to receive the other end of that disappointment. They keep putting Corbin in positions where he can't fail, only he's not getting over. Kurt Angle at Mania, and at least he got the go away reaction for that one. Because he went through three months of television with Rollins where everyone just wanted him off of their screen. I'm 100% positive that if he was let go today, the majority of the audience would totally forget he was ever employed six months from now. He's not authentic and he doesn't project any real passion for what he's doing through his character. It'll work itself out. Vince eventually gives up on all of these types of guys when he tries to make them special instead of just pushing the guys who actually are special.
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Post by Bandalero on Sept 17, 2019 13:22:06 GMT -5
Corbin winning did exactly what it was supposed to do. No one is happy, which is exactly what they are going for. You aren't supposed to like heels, and Corbin is by far the best one they've got now. Disagree. I think he's largely met with overwhelming indifference. I think Shane McMahon is the top heel in WWE. I think what Zayn and Nakamura are doing is following him, and honestly, when Elias is doing Elias, he's better than both those acts the way he turns the crowd imo. Last night was a Chad Gable rally. He was the underdog, Cinderella, story. He was destined to lose and his opposition was, by default, going to receive the other end of that disappointment. They keep putting Corbin in positions where he can't fail, only he's not getting over. Kurt Angle at Mania, and at least he got the go away reaction for that one. Because he went through three months of television with Rollins where everyone just wanted him off of their screen. I'm 100% positive that if he was let go today, the majority of the audience would totally forget he was ever employed six months from now. He's not authentic and he doesn't project any real passion for what he's doing through his character. It'll work itself out. Vince eventually gives up on all of these types of guys when he tries to make them special instead of just pushing the guys who actually are special. I respectfully disagree. Corbin isn't or shouldn't be trying to get himself over. He's a heel, he's doing exactly what his job entails and that is to get under the audience's skin. In my humble opinion I think Shane is a terrible heel, robbing other deserving talent like Elias from the spotlight to do what his dad did in the attitude era. Shane has no business in the ring, especially with his weak sauce punches that we're subjected to and have to somehow suspend disbelief. If you want to talk about a talent who has phoned it in since his arrival, then look no further than Nakamura. For this international talent to need Samy Zayn to beef up his act speaks volumes at how terribly he's been handled and has performed. Corbin's not the face of the company by any means, but he's a damn good heel and different in a time where pest heels seem to be the only gimmick going.
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Post by punksnotdead on Sept 17, 2019 13:47:52 GMT -5
Disagree. I think he's largely met with overwhelming indifference. I think Shane McMahon is the top heel in WWE. I think what Zayn and Nakamura are doing is following him, and honestly, when Elias is doing Elias, he's better than both those acts the way he turns the crowd imo. Last night was a Chad Gable rally. He was the underdog, Cinderella, story. He was destined to lose and his opposition was, by default, going to receive the other end of that disappointment. They keep putting Corbin in positions where he can't fail, only he's not getting over. Kurt Angle at Mania, and at least he got the go away reaction for that one. Because he went through three months of television with Rollins where everyone just wanted him off of their screen. I'm 100% positive that if he was let go today, the majority of the audience would totally forget he was ever employed six months from now. He's not authentic and he doesn't project any real passion for what he's doing through his character. It'll work itself out. Vince eventually gives up on all of these types of guys when he tries to make them special instead of just pushing the guys who actually are special. I respectfully disagree. Corbin isn't or shouldn't be trying to get himself over. He's a heel, he's doing exactly what his job entails and that is to get under the audience's skin. In my humble opinion I think Shane is a terrible heel, robbing other deserving talent like Elias from the spotlight to do what his dad did in the attitude era. Shane has no business in the ring, especially with his weak sauce punches that we're subjected to and have to somehow suspend disbelief. If you want to talk about a talent who has phoned it in since his arrival, then look no further than Nakamura. For this international talent to need Samy Zayn to beef up his act speaks volumes at how terribly he's been handled and has performed. Corbin's not the face of the company by any means, but he's a damn good heel and different in a time where pest heels seem to be the only gimmick going. But Shane gets the reaction. I agree he should be more of a manager and less of a performer, much less, but he's this era's Vickie Guerrero. He's made guys like Elias, Lashley, and McIntyre guilty by association. Corbin doesn't need to pander to the crowd, but all of the greatest heels of all time had tons of charisma, often times more than their opponent. Punk and Cena, Owen and Bret, Piper and Hogan, Rock and Austin. The last thing WWE needs right now is mid card, generic, heels. I'd literally rather watch 2 hours of story time with Adam Cole BAYBAY! than let a guy with nothing special about him waste even 10 minutes of my time on Monday night. Oh and also, Samoa Joe is literally a better heel than everyone I've already mentioned. He's the best heel promo in WWE right now. It's not his fault he never gets booked to win, but he's better than Corbin at literally everything Corbin does. So I'll just rest my case with King Joe would have been a significantly better use of the KOTR platform than Corbin.
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Post by Bandalero on Sept 17, 2019 14:08:07 GMT -5
Oh and also, Samoa Joe is literally a better heel than everyone I've already mentioned. He's the best heel promo in WWE right now. It's not his fault he never gets booked to win, but he's better than Corbin at literally everything Corbin does. So I'll just rest my case with King Joe would have been a significantly better use of the KOTR platform than Corbin. Yeah that we can agree on. Samoa Joe is a legit best heel in terms of promo and performance. Out of everyone in this tournament he had everything to lose in this tourney if he didn't win. Much like folks are lamenting about Braun's 7th PPV attempt at the Universal title, Joe is the flipside always talking a good game but booked to lose the big one. Neither of them have much credibility now, and "King" Joe might have done something to boost his WWE career. let's face it, they are squandering their heels, McIntyre is another one that looks like a million bucks and is booked like a goof. I'm not usually a bandwagoner, but I really can't wait until AEW hits the air to have more alternate-WWE programming to watch.
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Post by Darkhawk on Sept 17, 2019 18:30:29 GMT -5
I understands WWE trying make us hate Corbin because he's a heel but theres a good heel and a bad heel. Chris Jericho and JBL were great heels, Corbin on the other hand is just a bad heel.
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Post by Thunder Chunky on Sept 17, 2019 22:53:54 GMT -5
I understands WWE trying make us hate Corbin because he's a heel but theres a good heel and a bad heel. Chris Jericho and JBL were great heels, Corbin on the other hand is just a bad heel. Why is that the case? You aren't supposed to like him.
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Post by marino13 on Sept 19, 2019 16:40:12 GMT -5
I thought RAW was really good this week. And after seeing SD this week, I'm okay with Gable losing. Sometimes you can benefit from a loss.
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