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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2020 21:43:41 GMT -5
Another win for the good guys! The Wednesday Night Developmental War is getting good. Ehhhh, not really. It was a strong evening and I think every demo was average or above average, but if you're comparing their stats to aew they didn't win. They had more total viewers but still lost the 18-49 demographic, and every demo every quarter except 50+. The networks only really care about 18-49, that's the stat both companies television deals are largely based on. It was still a very strong evening and the two shows both popped up in the top 15 so I'd still call it a very big win for Wednesday night wrestling. But given the way this thread was going I'm assuming you meant over aew and it's not really accurate. At best could call it a draw but even then. Personally as long as they are both doing strong numbers (which they both did) then I'm pretty happy.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2020 21:45:30 GMT -5
It’s coming out that Wwe has picked up at least four of the Evolve contracts. I assume Josh Briggs has to be one of them. Another agile big man. Just more talent for the brand that already has a ton of talent. That was the big question was if any of the talent would get picked up. I'm curious about Brandi Lauren. She wrestled in evolve but is dating an aew guy (Janella). Hopefully that pseudo competition forces one of the companies hands into picking her up. Seems like a nice girl and reasonable potential.
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Jul 2, 2020 21:49:50 GMT -5
It’s coming out that Wwe has picked up at least four of the Evolve contracts. I assume Josh Briggs has to be one of them. Another agile big man. Just more talent for the brand that already has a ton of talent. They’re gonna need some new faces in the mix to sustain the ratings winning streak, especially with Velveteen Dream surely done. Adam Cole, Ciampa and Gargano feel pretty stagnant staying in NXT for so long. I get it maybe a permanent thing for Ciampa, but those three have been on top way too long.
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Post by hitmancmedge on Jul 2, 2020 21:49:56 GMT -5
It’s coming out that Wwe has picked up at least four of the Evolve contracts. I assume Josh Briggs has to be one of them. Another agile big man. Just more talent for the brand that already has a ton of talent. That was the big question was if any of the talent would get picked up. I'm curious about Brandi Lauren. She wrestled in evolve but is dating an aew guy (Janella). Hopefully that pseudo competition forces one of the companies hands into picking her up. Seems like a nice girl and reasonable potential. Yea looking at the current roster she jumped out at me, Briggs and Stallion. Anthony Henry annouced 2020 is his final year in wrestling so it’s not him.
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Post by sonstuds on Jul 2, 2020 21:50:33 GMT -5
calling it Moronic doesn't even do it justice, utter madness. Or he was told to, pulling the old "spoil that Foley wins the title so people tune in to see it" card in the midst of the Wednesday Night Wars. (I don't actually know the result)
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Post by marino13 on Jul 2, 2020 21:51:18 GMT -5
God forbid people in the NXT thread want to focus on NXT and talk about NXT. well you can blame Controversial Maverick PUNK for that one, not the AEW fans he needlessly called out. Yeah, I get that. That's like I had someone in the AEW thread needlessly call me out for locking WWE threads over politics the other day. It was so weird.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2020 22:01:28 GMT -5
It’s coming out that Wwe has picked up at least four of the Evolve contracts. I assume Josh Briggs has to be one of them. Another agile big man. Just more talent for the brand that already has a ton of talent. They’re gonna need some new faces in the mix to sustain the ratings winning streak, especially with Velveteen Dream surely done. Adam Cole, Ciampa and Gargano feel pretty stagnant staying in NXT for so long. I get it maybe a permanent thing for Ciampa, but those three have been on top way too long. I mean, you already read what I wrote, I'm not going to explain it again. In terms of those names, Ciampa almost definitely permanent. He's turned down main roster before iirc, and I'm almost positive he's said the only reason he is still wrestling is because of NXT's schedule, and that he would retire before he went to the main roster because his body couldn't handle the intensity of the schedule. Now granted, depending on how they change their strategy towards live shows when fans come back that could totally change. With guys like Cole and Gargano though, do you think they'd actually be successful on the main roster? I have my doubts. I remember HHH or someone talking before about why they never called up Hero, and that they wanted to have some guys that would essentially be NXT forever, and that was before things went on TV. I wouldn't be surprised to see Cole and Gargano perma-nxt. I guess it really depends what Vince's current long term vision for NXT is, if he has one. Survivor Series time last year he went really hard putting NXT over main roster talent, and then that was kinda it for the NXT push.
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Post by hitmancmedge on Jul 2, 2020 22:05:33 GMT -5
They’re gonna need some new faces in the mix to sustain the ratings winning streak, especially with Velveteen Dream surely done. Adam Cole, Ciampa and Gargano feel pretty stagnant staying in NXT for so long. I get it maybe a permanent thing for Ciampa, but those three have been on top way too long. I mean, you already read what I wrote, I'm not going to explain it again. In terms of those names, Ciampa almost definitely permanent. He's turned down main roster before iirc, and I'm almost positive he's said the only reason he is still wrestling is because of NXT's schedule, and that he would retire before he went to the main roster because his body couldn't handle the intensity of the schedule. Now granted, depending on how they change their strategy towards live shows when fans come back that could totally change. With guys like Cole and Gargano though, do you think they'd actually be successful on the main roster? I have my doubts. I remember HHH or someone talking before about why they never called up Hero, and that they wanted to have some guys that would essentially be NXT forever, and that was before things went on TV. I wouldn't be surprised to see Cole and Gargano perma-nxt. I guess it really depends what Vince's current long term vision for NXT is, if he has one. Survivor Series time last year he went really hard putting NXT over main roster talent, and then that was kinda it for the NXT push. Gargano has a few holes in his game so I could see where he could get hung up on the main roster but to me Adam Cole is in that Shawn Michaels, Bret Hart, CM Punk, Daniel Bryan, Chris Jericho category where he honestly had the tools to be an all time great. He may have to work a bit harder to get there but you can’t stop talent. That guy just had it, in the ring, believable in the ring, promo skills, makes everyone he wrestles look like a million bucks.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2020 22:08:58 GMT -5
hitmancmedgeRather than make a giant quote train lol. Yeah, after giving it a bit more thought, I agree with you. Cole would find a way to be successful.
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Post by K5 on Jul 2, 2020 22:25:10 GMT -5
Yeah, I get that. That's like I had someone in the AEW thread needlessly call me out for locking WWE threads over politics the other day. It was so weird. cmon man, I hope you know I was joking and it didn’t have bad intentions. if you felt insulted or antagonized I apologize. we’re all wrestling fans, and rather NXT or AEW is your jam, I think we can agree we’re getting seriously lucky as fans these days. it’s too bad that wwe loyalists and aew loyalists are divided.
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Post by finnbalor1 on Jul 3, 2020 6:34:08 GMT -5
Has anything else been announced for night two besides title vs title,Mia and Candice and the six man tag with Escobar and Drake?
Hopefully we get Gargano-Swerve or maybe Priest-Grimes to fill out the card and maybe a promo from Finn or Ciampa. Hope they leave Cole and Lee plenty of time to have a great match I can guess what's gonna happen since the leak but still should be a great match and I'm really excited to see it.
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Post by hitmancmedge on Jul 3, 2020 8:03:00 GMT -5
Has anything else been announced for night two besides title vs title,Mia and Candice and the six man tag with Escobar and Drake? Hopefully we get Gargano-Swerve or maybe Priest-Grimes to fill out the card and maybe a promo from Finn or Ciampa. Hope they leave Cole and Lee plenty of time to have a great match I can guess what's gonna happen since the leak but still should be a great match and I'm really excited to see it. They annouced Mercedes Martinez debut after the vignettes. I think you are absolutely getting both those matches you mentioned but they will announce them closer to the show to keep adding momentum.
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Post by marino13 on Jul 3, 2020 8:44:43 GMT -5
Yeah, I get that. That's like I had someone in the AEW thread needlessly call me out for locking WWE threads over politics the other day. It was so weird. cmon man, I hope you know I was joking and it didn’t have bad intentions. if you felt insulted or antagonized I apologize. we’re all wrestling fans, and rather NXT or AEW is your jam, I think we can agree we’re getting seriously lucky as fans these days. it’s too bad that wwe loyalists and aew loyalists are divided. Yeah, it's all good, I was just playing around in return. That's why I added the goofy face at the end.
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Post by hbkjason on Jul 3, 2020 10:57:54 GMT -5
I do not know what it is and perhaps it is the way the world is at the moment. However, I do not know if it is just me, but the last few months NXT has well and truly lost what made it special to me. I could not give you an exact "what IT is" but it just feels like an episode of RAW or Smackdown now. Hopefully, when things go back to normal it will have its own identity again. *EDIT" Actually, now that I think about it, part of the reason I may be losing interest is the fact the WWE ed over all UK fans and now we have NXT on a week delay, this means I have to watch it on my computer instead of my TV which is nowhere near as fun. The show itself was not too bad. I was kind of hoping Candice would win the battle royal, but I guess this way her thing with Mia keeps on going. I am looking forward to the second part, especially the main event, I legit have no clue what way it is going to go.
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Post by TheSystem 1.5 on Jul 3, 2020 11:59:11 GMT -5
It was a good show. The only match I didn’t care for was the opener, all four women seemed very off
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Post by Yambag Jones on Jul 3, 2020 14:05:48 GMT -5
That opener is going to be all over botchamania. BTW, people can brag about NXT’s women's division all they want but no one feels special or a threat to win the title from Io.
Thatcher/Lorcan was a bummer. The reason I didn’t care for Thatcher on the indies (especially EVOLVE) was stuff like this match. Thatcher is a badass when he’s hitting stiff and feels like a deadly badass. If he wrestled every match with the same intensity as that cage match with Riddle, he’d be one of the best wrestlers in the world. I have no use for fake jujitsu Thatcher.
The women’s main event was a let down. It was hyped with it being these two ladies AND it’s commercial free. If they wrestled 10 matches, this would probably be the worst one. Sasha looked slow, like she was tired or sick. It was hitting about 3 stars for me (nothing special) until the distraction finish. I don’t care what promotion does it, finishes like that ruin momentum and cheapens wins. It’s bogus they used this match to build a main roster match.
That’s all I watched. I miss peak NXT. 😔
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2020 16:07:28 GMT -5
That opener is going to be all over botchamania. BTW, people can brag about NXT’s women's division all they want but no one feels special or a threat to win the title from Io.Thatcher/Lorcan was a bummer. The reason I didn’t care for Thatcher on the indies (especially EVOLVE) was stuff like this match. Thatcher is a badass when he’s hitting stiff and feels like a deadly badass. If he wrestled every match with the same intensity as that cage match with Riddle, he’d be one of the best wrestlers in the world. I have no use for fake jujitsu Thatcher. The women’s main event was a let down. It was hyped with it being these two ladies AND it’s commercial free. If they wrestled 10 matches, this would probably be the worst one. Sasha looked slow, like she was tired or sick. It was hitting about 3 stars for me (nothing special) until the distraction finish. I don’t care what promotion does it, finishes like that ruin momentum and cheapens wins. It’s bogus they used this match to build a main roster match. That’s all I watched. I miss peak NXT. 😔 I think right now that's probably the idea. I assumed that's why they had Candace get taken out first to draw her feud away from the title until Io needs a credible opponent, and that's why Nox won.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2020 16:10:19 GMT -5
A neat point from the ratings, if you combine both the NXT and AEW 18-49 viewers (aka the viewers that actually matter) they outperformed RAW, and came close to Smackdown. They didn't on total viewers (though they came close to Raw's 3rd hour, 30k shy or something), but in terms of viewers that the networks pay close attention to, Wednesday night outperformed Monday night. Kinda cool.
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Post by marino13 on Jul 3, 2020 17:24:32 GMT -5
Why is it when RAW is number 1, 2, 3 for the demos on Monday night but the overall is down, we hear how bad they're doing. But on Wednesday's the demos matter more than overall viewers?
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Post by marino13 on Jul 3, 2020 17:30:03 GMT -5
My only complaint with NXT currently is I believe there is a few in the wrong position. By that I mean, Gargano (& Candice) doesn't work as a heel for me. Meanwhile Ciampa was the hottest heel just over a year ago. And he still should be. Pete Dunne is good as a face, but ****ing awesome as a heel. Dream (If he's still gonna be employed) is a natural heel.
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