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Post by Back to the Codyverse on Oct 24, 2019 20:31:02 GMT -5
The world is operated off of blood money. Enjoy the ing show. Quit bitching about literally everything.
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Post by rkmo: Just a Fact of Life on Oct 24, 2019 21:14:04 GMT -5
The "love it or leave it" mentality is wholly ineffective and such a backhanded, flimsy answer. One would be abandoning the elements that they actually do appreciate. And as trivial and marginalized those who are voicing opposition are portrayed, leaving WWE behind will not affect any change some desire to see. The only result is a higher percentage of viewers complicit with the company's direction and an ever encompassing bubble to defend it and the supporters against any dissenting thoughts. i consider posturing repeatedly on a wrestling figure forum about political standings as the truly "flimsy" pursuit. if large amounts of people truly felt strongly enough opposed to it and abandoned the product, it would most definitely affect the wwe's consideration of future events there. let's say america is wrestling, and the wwe's events in saudi arabia are the vietnam war. where do you currently fall? definitely not an outright protester. you're a defender of the very current government enacting the war. but don't throw the baby out with the bath water, right? anyways, i'll let you have a final say and let's move on as i didn't mean to derail the thread as i'm sure you didn't either. As you said, a large amount of people would be needed to affect change, but referring specifically to the Saudi deal, most people don't know enough to care or care enough to know about everything involved and surrounding it. Again, I don't feel that my voice alone or everybody's voice would have any more impact operating from the outside, especially when our fandom is always questioned anyway. And the claim that the way in which one chooses to voice dissent is what causes others to dismiss it, I've seen used before involving social issues. About a dozen different ways people have spoken of concerns about a singular issue, all deemed to be ineffective and cast as too self-aggrandizing to be seen as a legitimate argument. but we can agree to disagree and move on. If you enjoy the card by itself, all power to you.
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Post by LK3 on Oct 25, 2019 3:43:46 GMT -5
Only thing I don’t like is that the shows are meaningless and take up so much TV time for promotion and whatnot. Does it really HAVE to be treated like a real PPV, can’t it be more like a Smackville thing where it’s advertised and some matches are announced but it doesn’t really impact what happens week to week?
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Post by havoc7179 on Oct 25, 2019 8:58:20 GMT -5
Only thing I don’t like is that the shows are meaningless and take up so much TV time for promotion and whatnot. Does it really HAVE to be treated like a real PPV, can’t it be more like a Smackville thing where it’s advertised and some matches are announced but it doesn’t really impact what happens week to week? I haveto ask: How is it meaningless if they "take up so much TV time" and the storylines going into the event primarily dominate theshow? $5 says the Tag Team Turmoil goes with Street Profit$ and the OC Good Brothers in the final four. That Lashley pins Rusev in the Team Hogan/Flair match. All of the stories we seen weekly will be factored into the matches. So, I ask, how is it meaningless? If all the matches were Fantasy Warfare come true like Goldberg v. Taker, DX v. Brothers of Destruction, I'd agree. But the matches all are being built up during the weeks leading up to the event, and these matches will further the storyline.
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Post by LK3 on Oct 25, 2019 14:54:30 GMT -5
Only thing I don’t like is that the shows are meaningless and take up so much TV time for promotion and whatnot. Does it really HAVE to be treated like a real PPV, can’t it be more like a Smackville thing where it’s advertised and some matches are announced but it doesn’t really impact what happens week to week? I haveto ask: How is it meaningless if they "take up so much TV time" and the storylines going into the event primarily dominate theshow? $5 says the Tag Team Turmoil goes with Street Profit$ and the OC Good Brothers in the final four. That Lashley pins Rusev in the Team Hogan/Flair match. All of the stories we seen weekly will be factored into the matches. So, I ask, how is it meaningless? If all the matches were Fantasy Warfare come true like Goldberg v. Taker, DX v. Brothers of Destruction, I'd agree. But the matches all are being built up during the weeks leading up to the event, and these matches will further the storyline. Some things will tie into weekly storylines, but a lot of it is strictly for Crown Jewel. The 5-on-5 as a whole with Flair and Hogan. Strowman/Fury. Mansoor/Cesaro. World Cup Turmoil match as a whole. Battle royal to determine an opponent for Styles at the show. They bring in names to try to get people to care, but it’s just a huge glorified house show at the end of the day.
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Post by kennyw86v2 on Oct 26, 2019 22:22:56 GMT -5
You know its meaningless when Mansoor is advertised lol
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Post by TheHitmanKid on Nov 2, 2019 16:02:14 GMT -5
They pick Natalya and Lacey as this big match that's gonna break bounties as this first women's match...the worst divas feud this year. On top of Lacey being one of the worst WWE wrestlers
(Rocks voice) "ANYBODY ELSE, couldnt be ANYBODY ELSE!"
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Post by Kill Em' All on Nov 3, 2019 11:02:33 GMT -5
I just do not care about them, waste of my time and effort to watch. They're just purely stupid since the start. When they book actual dream match that's not years overdue i'll watch. It's useless to storylines and everything. On economic standpoint it's fantastic idea.
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Post by McBlake on Nov 3, 2019 11:21:12 GMT -5
They pick Natalya and Lacey as this big match that's gonna break bounties as this first women's match...the worst divas feud this year. On top of Lacey being one of the worst WWE wrestlers (Rocks voice) "ANYBODY ELSE, couldnt be ANYBODY ELSE!" Sorry, but there is so much wrong with this post. It wasnt a case of who, it's that it actually happened. Natalya and Lacey was a great choice too. Say what you want about Natalya, bit she is one of the most reliable and experienced females on the roster. Lacey has improved massively over the last 6 months or so as well. It's not been the best feud going, bit it's literally one of the ONLY female feuds going atm. Not toemtion the match itself was actually pretty good all things considered. Again, can't stress enough that the real story here is that the match was actually green lit. I'm delighted for both ladies involved.
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Post by TheHitmanKid on Nov 3, 2019 23:50:17 GMT -5
They pick Natalya and Lacey as this big match that's gonna break bounties as this first women's match...the worst divas feud this year. On top of Lacey being one of the worst WWE wrestlers (Rocks voice) "ANYBODY ELSE, couldnt be ANYBODY ELSE!" Sorry, but there is so much wrong with this post. It wasnt a case of who, it's that it actually happened. Natalya and Lacey was a great choice too. Say what you want about Natalya, bit she is one of the most reliable and experienced females on the roster. Lacey has improved massively over the last 6 months or so as well. It's not been the best feud going, bit it's literally one of the ONLY female feuds going atm. Not toemtion the match itself was actually pretty good all things considered. Again, can't stress enough that the real story here is that the match was actually green lit. I'm delighted for both ladies involved. We have a difference in opinion, which is alright. ..but there is so much wrong with this post It's "but" not "bit" It's "Not to mention" not "Not toemtion"
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Post by The Natural Eddy Valintino on Nov 5, 2019 2:37:02 GMT -5
I feel a lot of people make the mistake of thinking these shows mean that much. I don't treat these shows like any other PPV. These shows are meant to just be a show for the Saudi fans that they air on the Network because of an agreement WWE made (and extended). Do things happen on these shows that affect the main shows? Sure, but very little. So just treat the shows as super house shows. I choose not to watch the replays if i work that day cause i just don't care much for em. I only watch if I'm work that day (Super Showdown as example)
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Post by Decky on Nov 5, 2019 5:35:17 GMT -5
I watch the Saudi shows for the simple fact they are on at a reasonable time - 5pm UK time. Its a novelty to me to watch a PPV at that time as opposed to 1am.
I didn't care for the first 3 Saudi shows but actually enjoyed Crown Jewel this time. Mansoor V Cesaro was incredible, Team Flair V Team Hogan was fun, The Fiend got the win he should have had a month ago.
Up until this point I considered Saudi shows non-canon lol
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Post by Hasbromaniac on Nov 5, 2019 9:01:22 GMT -5
That can't be true ? Vince and his propaganda machine say these shows are as big or even bigger than Wrestlemania.
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