ecwrhino
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Post by ecwrhino on Nov 14, 2019 11:25:40 GMT -5
A lot of white apologist here defending this cuck.
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Post by k5 on Nov 14, 2019 11:35:12 GMT -5
apples and oranges to compare it to real incidents. the clear nature of Jordan exploiting his position to try and get some public recognition is what people are speaking against. I am essentially married in to an African American family. they do not get to or choose to call every action against them as racist or offensive and then deny any criticism of that. that would be absurd. I'd argue that just as many people are still decrying his perception of the shirt itself. For White W. Whiteman like myself to try and rationalize against what he's seeing there would be just as absurd. I can see your point and agree overall with what you’re saying. that said, we do need to remain logical to prevent Jussie Smollet-like exploitative situations for taking legitimacy away from the exact issue we’re attempting to address respectfully. I think there is an appropriate middle ground somewhere there.
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Post by CM Poor on Nov 14, 2019 11:44:27 GMT -5
I'd argue that just as many people are still decrying his perception of the shirt itself. For White W. Whiteman like myself to try and rationalize against what he's seeing there would be just as absurd. I can see your point and agree overall with what you’re saying. that said, we do need to remain logical to prevent Jussie Smollet-like exploitative situations for taking legitimacy away from the exact issue we’re attempting to address respectfully. I think there is an appropriate middle ground somewhere there. I don't think he's handled the situation (beyond the first day/hour or so) well at all, and I don't disagree that even a legitimate point of offense can absolutely become exploitative. It's sort of the opposite side of the imperfect human coin that makes things like the situation that begot this whole ordeal even able to happen to begin with. That said, I'm still uncomfortable positing on that opinion - it's simply not my experience. I think he had a perfectly valid complaint, and I wonder if it maybe got away from him in his efforts to bring light to it.
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BASTARDKING
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Post by BASTARDKING on Nov 14, 2019 13:17:37 GMT -5
He handled the situation unprofessionally at the end of the day. He had a legitimate gripe, but the way he wenr about it was totally all wrong, especially the part about him putting another accomplished Black man down, such as Jay Lethal, while calling foul about his own situation. Its a shame
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Post by GreyHaze:Big Bad Booty Daddy on Nov 14, 2019 13:33:17 GMT -5
This whole situation has been blown out of proportion. He made his point about not liking the shirt, it was removed. I don’t believe that it was intentional in a sense of it being racist. Didn’t he also approve of the shirt? A friend had asked me what I thought about the shirt without mentioning anything and I just said I didn’t get it... The way he spoke up about it makes it seem like he’s trying to create a bigger buzz for himself rather.
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Post by rowdy1971 on Nov 14, 2019 13:43:36 GMT -5
What's Sam Bo McGrinny doing in the "Impact Zone"!?!?!?!
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Post by Hulkster2001 on Nov 14, 2019 13:47:37 GMT -5
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ChainGang
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Post by ChainGang on Nov 14, 2019 14:51:34 GMT -5
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Post by TheLastDude on Nov 14, 2019 18:35:36 GMT -5
I can see your point and agree overall with what you’re saying. that said, we do need to remain logical to prevent Jussie Smollet-like exploitative situations for taking legitimacy away from the exact issue we’re attempting to address respectfully. I think there is an appropriate middle ground somewhere there. I don't think he's handled the situation (beyond the first day/hour or so) well at all, and I don't disagree that even a legitimate point of offense can absolutely become exploitative. It's sort of the opposite side of the imperfect human coin that makes things like the situation that begot this whole ordeal even able to happen to begin with. That said, I'm still uncomfortable positing on that opinion - it's simply not my experience. I think he had a perfectly valid complaint, and I wonder if it maybe got away from him in his efforts to bring light to it. A complaint that black wrestlers deserve to have the chance to be placed in more prominent roles within the company is certainly a valid one. It's ridiculous that we can count on one hand the number of black world champions in WWE and WCW over the last thirty years. That being said, it's obvious that the movement has already begun. The New Day have been faces of the company for several years now. Kofi just had a world title reign, Ricochet, Keith Lee, Swerve, Truth, the Street Profits, Dream, Lio Rush, and Lashley have all had recent title reigns or been featured in big storylines. I liken it to the NFL. Look at long it took for multiple teams to have black starting Quarterbacks. Sure there were a few here and there over the last few decades, but right now, almost a third of the teams have black starting QBs. Why did it take so long exactly? All that being said, if you dig through the Twitter quagmire, you'll see that he approved the shirt logo, and it was originally supposed to go on a grey shirt. Somewhere between approval and production, they changed the shirt to black. That's not altogether shocking, considering what, 90% of wrestling shirts are black. At that point, it became an issue...and when the issue was brought up, the shirt was pulled. No wrong move there. But then, all of a sudden, this whole thing became public, and he became increasingly aggressive in his tweets, which made no sense. Then finally, and only a short while after he apologized for his LAST rant, then came the meltdown where he quit and started calling Jordan Myles a "slave name". That's strange because he himself stated he was allowed to pick his ring name and chose Jordan Myles to honor Michael Jordan and Miles Morales. I think the problem people had with this, and it's definitely the problem I had with it, was not only the childish and very public way he went about this, but his story kept changing as well. It's hard to know how much of his tale you can believe. If someone told me later on down the road that this guy has undiagnosed or untreated bipolar disorder or something, it would not shock me at all. His tweets vary wildly in tone and mood, almost as if multiple people are tweeting from the same account.
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Post by JC Motors on Nov 14, 2019 21:35:53 GMT -5
What's Sam Bo McGrinny doing in the "Impact Zone"!?!?!?! I'll do you one better... What's Miles Jordan doing in the Impact Zone?
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Papi Joker
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Post by Papi Joker on Nov 14, 2019 21:37:35 GMT -5
friggin ingrate!!
how many indies are working hard to get signed and this guy had a problem with hist 1st or 2nd shirt... as if ANYONE was really gonna buy it... learn how to work kid
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hbkowns
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Post by hbkowns on Nov 15, 2019 0:34:23 GMT -5
He certainly is doing himself no favors by the way he’s conducted himself lately. Even if your employer is in the wrong in any scenario you need to be the bigger person and not stoop to that level of belligerence. He’s not only burning a bridge between him and WWE but any other promotion is going to be real hesitant, if not, down right refuse to do business with him. But after watching that video it really seems that something is off with him. He should really seek help because his behavior is definitely indicative of someone suffering from mental health issues.
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Post by Jim Cornette’s Wendy’s Order🍔 on Nov 15, 2019 1:06:56 GMT -5
Really want to go tweet him “hey Jordan Myles 👋🏼“
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Post by FLUX '97 on Nov 15, 2019 5:39:22 GMT -5
So someone has a legitimate issue with a racist shirt that his company tries to get swept under the rug, and brings up legit complaints about racial issues within the company, and he's whining for the sake of whining and causing a scene and shouldn't be booked anywhere because it's unprofessional, yet we get guys like Sin Cara, The Revival, Luke Harper, and almost every other midcarder cry on twitter about not being used and asking for their release to go elsewhere and they're the ones who deserve better Never change, wfigs This. A million times this.
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Post by hitmancmedge on Nov 15, 2019 6:43:18 GMT -5
I don't think he's handled the situation (beyond the first day/hour or so) well at all, and I don't disagree that even a legitimate point of offense can absolutely become exploitative. It's sort of the opposite side of the imperfect human coin that makes things like the situation that begot this whole ordeal even able to happen to begin with. That said, I'm still uncomfortable positing on that opinion - it's simply not my experience. I think he had a perfectly valid complaint, and I wonder if it maybe got away from him in his efforts to bring light to it. A complaint that black wrestlers deserve to have the chance to be placed in more prominent roles within the company is certainly a valid one. It's ridiculous that we can count on one hand the number of black world champions in WWE and WCW over the last thirty years. That being said, it's obvious that the movement has already begun. The New Day have been faces of the company for several years now. Kofi just had a world title reign, Ricochet, Keith Lee, Swerve, Truth, the Street Profits, Dream, Lio Rush, and Lashley have all had recent title reigns or been featured in big storylines. I liken it to the NFL. Look at long it took for multiple teams to have black starting Quarterbacks. Sure there were a few here and there over the last few decades, but right now, almost a third of the teams have black starting QBs. Why did it take so long exactly? All that being said, if you dig through the Twitter quagmire, you'll see that he approved the shirt logo, and it was originally supposed to go on a grey shirt. Somewhere between approval and production, they changed the shirt to black. That's not altogether shocking, considering what, 90% of wrestling shirts are black. At that point, it became an issue...and when the issue was brought up, the shirt was pulled. No wrong move there. But then, all of a sudden, this whole thing became public, and he became increasingly aggressive in his tweets, which made no sense. Then finally, and only a short while after he apologized for his LAST rant, then came the meltdown where he quit and started calling Jordan Myles a "slave name". That's strange because he himself stated he was allowed to pick his ring name and chose Jordan Myles to honor Michael Jordan and Miles Morales. I think the problem people had with this, and it's definitely the problem I had with it, was not only the childish and very public way he went about this, but his story kept changing as well. It's hard to know how much of his tale you can believe. If someone told me later on down the road that this guy has undiagnosed or untreated bipolar disorder or something, it would not shock me at all. His tweets vary wildly in tone and mood, almost as if multiple people are tweeting from the same account. This is 100% the correct response! Behind the scenes before this became public wwe did everything they were suppose to do, also the shirt never actually even went up and was never sold. They were all designed during that big weird logo on a black shirt NXT blast where like everyone on the nxt roster got a shirt if they didn’t have one already and they were all just on black. Stupid insensitive logo on a black shirt? Yes someone should have been able to see it before he did, but they didn’t. I don’t think it was done on purpose but just a bad coincidence. Anyway I feel like up until the public outcry for attention on social media everyone handled a rough situation appropriately. And then everything he did from that point on was handled just awful and has completely taken away from the cause he was fighting for.
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Post by LK3 on Nov 15, 2019 7:02:55 GMT -5
Clearly he took lessons from Antonio Brown on how to handle business with his employer.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2019 9:20:06 GMT -5
What's Sam Bo McGrinny doing in the "Impact Zone"!?!?!?! I'll do you one better... What's Miles Jordan doing in the Impact Zone? I got you both beat- what is ACH doing in the Impact Zone?
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Post by WalterF on Nov 15, 2019 9:37:06 GMT -5
Legit forgot he existed again until this came up
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Post by Hulkster2001 on Nov 15, 2019 9:43:04 GMT -5
Legit forgot he existed again until this came up I’ll do you one better... I didn’t even know he existed before this
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Post by Jim Cornette’s Wendy’s Order🍔 on Nov 15, 2019 9:49:11 GMT -5
As bitter as he was coming across, I wouldn’t be surprised if he was fired and he’s just trying to save face by saying he quit. I saw a few tweets here in there stating that was what the case was but none of them seemed like they were incredibly credible sources. No matter the case, WWE wins out in this scenario. Get rid of the nut case before he gets in a prominent role
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