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Post by rastlinfigures on Nov 15, 2019 23:13:11 GMT -5
As collectors we may be a little too critical of this. I, too, thought it breezed through some of the stuff (including bone crunchers) - but it is intended for a larger audience than just us. Also, I for one appreciated that they covered AWA and WCW figures as I collected those as well as a kid.
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Post by The Madness on Nov 16, 2019 1:04:20 GMT -5
I'm surprised there hasn't been more talk about the closeup footage of prototypes that were previously only seen in ads, like LJN Savage and Mean Gene.
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Post by WalterF on Nov 16, 2019 1:41:17 GMT -5
I enjoyed it for sure; kinda feel like BCA got the stepchild treatment (and I LOVE BCA) but otherwise pretty good and fun
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Post by The Madness on Nov 16, 2019 1:44:48 GMT -5
I was pretty shocked that ECW OSFTM even got mentioned.
I expected the BCA line to get more coverage, if only to acknowledge the Al Snow figure controversy.
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Post by VintageFigs1 on Nov 16, 2019 6:51:43 GMT -5
Has Ryder gone into why they cut the stuff he filmed on the podcast? I know they went out of their way to title an episode "The Toys That Made Us Beef", but I tapped out on that show a looooooong time ago. I've got my guesses, but I was just wondering if he's gone into it at all? I think they wrecked a bunch of stuff in his garage and he was very hospitable to them and in the end they made him look like a goof on the show, I think he said they interviewed his ex-girlfriend or something? Lol. No |
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Post by Danger10 on Nov 16, 2019 10:48:50 GMT -5
It was alright, could've been better. Overall I enjoyed it. And hopefully they release this season on DVD with extra footage & interviews. Trying to cover 30 years of figures in 45 minutes is pretty much impossible.
One thing I was expecting to see was them talking about prototypes like R&B Valentine or the articulated LJN's similar to the way the rocket firing Boba Fett was featured in the Star Wars episode.
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Post by stc13 on Nov 16, 2019 11:47:24 GMT -5
It was entertaining. Ultimately hardcore wrestling collectors aren't the target audience, so even though some of the eras were glossed over and some of the timeline was out of order or flat out wrong, it was solid entertainment. It was a tall task to try to cover figures across multiple lines and licenses in such a short span. Was it perfect? No. But I enjoyed it for what it is.
If folks were expecting a Ken Burns level in depth documentary on wrestling figures, you were bound to be disappointed.
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Post by ozz on Nov 16, 2019 13:06:13 GMT -5
Enjoyable for sure but definitely could have been better to "people like us". The average person will definitely learn a lot from it, meanwhile "we" basically knew the big stuff already. Up until last year, the articulated LJN figures were unknown so that's a matter of circumstantial timing that it's nothing new. Otherwise it would have been groundbreaking. Interesting to see the whole Galoob tie-in, and how they became OSFTM. I recall exactly ZERO people giving a  about those toys when they were out though - LOL. At least the LJN ripoff figures looked good; the buzzing & articulated ones were beyond awful compared to what had been on the market for years. Can't complain much, there's so much out there to cram into a 45minute show, they did well. Could have afforded more time to certain things than others, but hey. |
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Nov 16, 2019 14:40:50 GMT -5
One thing that I did enjoy that I don’t believe I knew previously was that the LJNs were supposed to be bendies but the retailers loved the 2 ups so they were forced to go with em.
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Post by natepadberg on Nov 16, 2019 15:14:02 GMT -5
i personally think there could have been more focus on the transition from the WCW toybiz/WWE r3 tech era, and a bit of the TNA toybiz marvel, since those 3 lines, IMHO, helped transition in to the basics and elites articulation we are now used to.
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Post by ozz on Nov 16, 2019 15:17:30 GMT -5
One thing that I did enjoy that I don’t believe I knew previously was that the LJNs were supposed to be bendies but the retailers loved the 2 ups so they were forced to go with em. That was another unknown-until-we-just-learned-it tidbit that came out, I think within the last year, thanks to whichever blogger it was who was able to get an LJN employee to do a podcast about the line. I'm sure that was missed by many! |
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Post by punksnotdead on Nov 16, 2019 16:09:32 GMT -5
I’m a big fan of the show. The Turtles episode jumped He-man for my favorite episode. That said, the wrestling episode was dogsh*t imo. It’s the weakest episode they’ve made by a country mile. Super disappointing and a waste of time that I wouldn’t recommend to anyone.
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Post by Jack Specific on Nov 16, 2019 22:21:35 GMT -5
I’m a big fan of the show. The Turtles episode jumped He-man for my favorite episode. That said, the wrestling episode was dogsh*t imo. It’s the weakest episode they’ve made by a country mile. Super disappointing and a waste of time that I wouldn’t recommend to anyone. You have to keep in mind they are not tailored to the hardcore collector really. These shows seem to be tailored to the casual collector or just someone who may have had them as kids to give them a trip down memory lane so to speak. For them to be so detailed an cater to hardcore collectors these episodes would have to each be a series unto itself... or like a 3 hour long single episode. I mean so sooooo much through so many years wrestling figures have been though a few different companies and a ton of changes throughout each of these companies (most notably Jakks and Mattel). Heck they could do a series unto itself just on Jakks WWE/WWF license, now there's some drama. But these are 45min and for what they've crammed into it, it's pretty cool IMO. JS |
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Post by Nivro™ on Nov 16, 2019 22:26:23 GMT -5
It wasnt great but it wasnt terrible. Like previously said, great trip down memory road. I do wish they would have touched on other lines even just briefly. What does bother me though is when the OSFTM guys said when they got a licenses again they knew to make more articulated figures (noting their failure from the time when they were at galoob) yet the first OSFTM WCW figures were just giant pieces of freaking rubber just like they previously were making. It wasnt till 2yrs later they started making articulated figures.
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Post by punksnotdead on Nov 16, 2019 22:50:32 GMT -5
I’m a big fan of the show. The Turtles episode jumped He-man for my favorite episode. That said, the wrestling episode was dogsh*t imo. It’s the weakest episode they’ve made by a country mile. Super disappointing and a waste of time that I wouldn’t recommend to anyone. You have to keep in mind they are not tailored to the hardcore collector really. These shows seem to be tailored to the casual collector or just someone who may have had them as kids to give them a trip down memory lane so to speak. For them to be so detailed an cater to hardcore collectors these episodes would have to each be a series unto itself... or like a 3 hour long single episode. I mean so sooooo much through so many years wrestling figures have been though a few different companies and a ton of changes throughout each of these companies (most notably Jakks and Mattel). Heck they could do a series unto itself just on Jakks WWE/WWF license, now there's some drama. But these are 45min and for what they've crammed into it, it's pretty cool IMO. JS Eh, to each their own. I’m a more hardcore Star Wars collector than wrestling figure collector. I still really enjoyed the Star Wars episode. I just thought the wrestling episode was incoherent, lacked a ton of base knowledge and really missed the mark on making the episode about the toys. They wasted the people they interviewed, too. Hawkins doing the 25 minute vlog from Ringside the other day was three times as entertaining and interesting to me as this entire episode. |
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Post by ~*Young $ Money*~ on Nov 16, 2019 23:22:35 GMT -5
It wasn’t terrible but I wish they had more. More Jeremy interview and some stuff with Jon.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2019 9:47:18 GMT -5
I'll just be honest: they blew it. They made a condensed version of wrestling history. I felt like the episode did a serviceable job talking about the twists and turns of wrestling history with some behind-the-scenes bits of what was going on at LJN/Galoob/Remco/OSFTM/Jakks. I enjoyed hearing about what happened to LJN and the rarer black card series of Wrestling Superstars. That stuff was cool and fitting for this documentary. There is probably a ton of great b-roll footage from the interviews with Jon (who had interesting things to say) & Jeremy (who is integral in bringing legends back into market) but they got pushed to the sidelines by the obnoxious cutesy editing style to revert to MORE wrestling footage and more of this god awful "Jewish Lightning" story nobody asked for. I bet if you do an alternative cut of this with footage they already have, it could be much improved. Also, not interviewing Bill was a massive oversight. He and the Mattel team revolutionized wrestling figures as a whole, and that deserved much more focus. You don't gloss over BCA as "garbage" and then wax poetic about OSFTM. off with that. They tried to pretend that TTLs were this massive improvement when the reality is everyone hated TTLs until RealScan. That should've been covered, Jakks' ahead-of-its-time R3 line should've been at least discussed. But no, we have to revert to more wrestling footage, more bad comedy, more Jewish Lightning. I appreciate that they decided to make an episode about wrestling toys, but the direction of this was way off. More Jon, more Jeremy, Bill should've been involved, Ryder should've been involved...I really don't mean to be such a downer, I just wanted this to be a comprehensive look at the figures and the stories of how the lines came to be. I guess I have to do it... Please do. I miss that channel so much. |
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Post by stc13 on Nov 17, 2019 11:29:12 GMT -5
Like Jack said, this was a topic that's totally different than the single-property episodes they had done. If you're going to try to tell a comprehensive story about wrestling figures, you either cut some corners or need a multi-part documentary. Their audience is people who watched wrestling during the 80's and 90's and probably haven't given it a thought since - not those of us who spend our day bantering back and forth about figures. And for those people it was an entertaining watch that probably hit enough nostalgia pops to do its job.
My only real critique is that they had a ton of footage from the OSTM guys, who have a pretty forgettable wrestling footprint. I'm assuming Mattel refused to participate, which fits with their Fort Knox marketing strategy. They ended up spending more time on the handful of years OSTM were making figures that could barely be found in stores than the 2 decades that Jakks held the license.
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Post by RybackV1 on Nov 17, 2019 15:26:42 GMT -5
Great episode , I learned so much about the backstory of all companies first time I’ve watched the show and it made me wanna watch more , only thing is that it was so freaking rushed. They easily could’ve made it a 2 parter or something. It was insanely rapid fire, felt like I had the speed turned up or something.
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Post by y13 on Nov 17, 2019 16:31:33 GMT -5
I thought the early LJN-Hasbro stuff was decent but it became to jumbled towards the later Jakks-ToyBiz era. There’s just too much material to cover in a 45 minute window.
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