Newsted
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Post by Newsted on Nov 25, 2019 9:47:57 GMT -5
The real main event was Toni Storm's backside don't @ me. Creepy I know you are mate. What of it?
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Post by tg11 on Nov 25, 2019 9:54:47 GMT -5
NXT winning the night last night 4-2-1 beating both RAW and Smackdown on the scoreboard just proves that NXT belongs on the main stage; their talent and their overall matches prove that they can hang with RAW and SD superstars
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Post by tg11 on Nov 25, 2019 10:16:45 GMT -5
I'll go ahead and start on my analysis of the PPV
Smackdown winning the Tag Team Cross Branded Battle Royal with Roode and Ziggler winning was a good way to kick off the PPV. Roode and Ziggler basically doing that should at least warrant them a shot at the WWE Smackdown Tag Team Championships. Either way I don't mind them winning but personally I would have had either Imperium or Forgotten Sons winning the Battle Royal but that is just me.
Lio Rush retaining his Cruiserweight Championship against Kalisto and Tozawa was pretty much a guarantee. So that I was happy about especially because Lio is an NXT guy but also because he is just that damn good and he does have a program with Garza so it wouldn't have made sense for him to drop the title to either Kalisto (SD) or Tozawa (RAW).
Viking Raiders (RAW Tag Team Champions) beating Undisputed Era (NXT Tag Team Champions) and New Day (SD Tag Team Champions)...didn't necessarily bother me. The only thing that I would have changed would have been either New Day winning or UE winning. However, this match was a good match overall back and forth and hard hitting.
5 on 5 on 5 for the Women's Traditional Survivor Series Match...NXT winning with Ripley being the sole survivor was a damn good match. NXT deserved to go over in this match but instead of Ripley being sole survivor...I would have had Ripley, Storm and LaRae as sole survivors instead. But so many great spots in this match.
Strong (NXT North American Champion) vs Styles (WWE United States Champion) vs Nakamura (WWE Intercontinental Champion)...by far was show stealer in my opinion. The match was just that good and Strong going over both Styles and Nakamura has to give Strong a real good rub.
NXT Championship- Cole (c) vs Dunne by far match of the night and it is not even close
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Nov 25, 2019 11:07:18 GMT -5
Yeah, because she lost it. Same as this match. The Man doesn’t like to lose, and makes sure she gets her revenge. She’s a sore loser. And if we do the buttimus hurtimus cry about it this time when we liked it before, she can come out on TV on Friday and call us fickle. You can pick and choose which sentences to copy from my post all you want, but story wise they’re two completly different situations. You can pick and choose which times to be upset about Becky Lynch being a hotheaded sore loser all you want, but it's a consistent character trait.
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Post by ahunter8056 on Nov 25, 2019 11:31:42 GMT -5
Very disappointing show for me. It's pretty much a guarantee at this point that if a PPV has a really good build, the actual booking of said PPV will be atrocious. And that was what we saw last night, at least in terms of the women's matches.
First off, I firmly believed beforehand that Sasha Banks should have been the sole survivor of the Women's Survivor Series match. She's got arenas chanting for her still despite being a heel, she's completely refreshed her character and look, her matches since returning have proven (if there was any doubt) how talented of a wrestler she is. Yet just like her run before her depression-induced hiatus, she's still consistently used to put others over. As a fan, it's frustrating to see her lose every big match she's in, over and over and over again.
However, I can't be too mad at the way they booked the finish of that match. With Rhea unable to put her away herself, she HAD to have Candice and Io come back out to help her cheat to beat Sasha. So at least it wasn't a clean finish, and kinda kept Sasha looking strong. So while I'm still disappointed, it's not the degree I would have been had it been a clean finish. And it was a good match. So job well done to the women involved.
Pete Dunne VS Adam Cole was pretty good, and the crowd was super into it.
Why does the Fiend still have red lighting? Just honestly, who on earth would possibly think that looks good? Then again, this is the same company that urges their camera operators to give the audience motion sickness.
The Men's Survivor Series match was good. Ciampa looked really strong, hanging in there for so long alone. Keith Lee also looked like a big star as well. I thought NXT was represented well, even in defeat.
But the main event...oh boy. I'm not the biggest fan of Bayley, but it was absolutely CRUCIAL that she got the win in that match. Becky didn't need the win; she's a big enough star by this point. Shayna certainly did not need the win; she's already had enough of a ridiculous superpush for a whole career. Bayley simply NEEDED the win to solidify her status and justify her heel turn. So what do they do? They have Bayley tap out. Great job WWE!! I could have forgiven that booking decision if they had Ronda return to interfere, but no. Clean finish for someone who simply did not need to win.
Incredibly unpopular opinion on here, I know. But in my mind, the Four Horsewomen are simply the best stars in the company. They should all be at the top, with the company getting full behind them and building the divisions around them. But if Survivor Series 2019 proved anything, it's that while the company has booked Charlotte and Becky Lynch as they deserve, they will NEVER book Sasha Banks and Bayley as they truly deserve. And at this point, I'm just really sick of it. Whether you're a fan of Becky, Sasha, Bayley, Charlotte or not, I really couldn't care less. But I cannot see how anyone could fail to respect their talent.
Tl;dr the actual wrestling was good, with everyone putting in good performances. But the booking was absolutely horrendous. Definitely think it's time to take another break from the main roster. I know I'm very unlikely to see anything but ridicule in response to this post, but I really don't care. That's just WF.
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Post by cordless2016 on Nov 25, 2019 12:28:53 GMT -5
You can pick and choose which sentences to copy from my post all you want, but story wise they’re two completly different situations. You can pick and choose which times to be upset about Becky Lynch being a hotheaded sore loser all you want, but it's a consistent character trait. It’s not really the same, but to each their own. We’ll agree to disagree despite the first time being an intended heel turn and last night her supposedly remaining face but still attacking someone because she lost...
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Post by tg11 on Nov 25, 2019 12:41:12 GMT -5
Becky Lynch is getting that Seth Rollins booking but yet people still cheer her which surprises me because I would have expected the fans to turn on Becky especially now being champion for so long
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Post by hitmancmedge on Nov 25, 2019 13:04:43 GMT -5
Very disappointing show for me. It's pretty much a guarantee at this point that if a PPV has a really good build, the actual booking of said PPV will be atrocious. And that was what we saw last night, at least in terms of the women's matches. First off, I firmly believed beforehand that Sasha Banks should have been the sole survivor of the Women's Survivor Series match. She's got arenas chanting for her still despite being a heel, she's completely refreshed her character and look, her matches since returning have proven (if there was any doubt) how talented of a wrestler she is. Yet just like her run before her depression-induced hiatus, she's still consistently used to put others over. As a fan, it's frustrating to see her lose every big match she's in, over and over and over again. However, I can't be too mad at the way they booked the finish of that match. With Rhea unable to put her away herself, she HAD to have Candice and Io come back out to help her cheat to beat Sasha. So at least it wasn't a clean finish, and kinda kept Sasha looking strong. So while I'm still disappointed, it's not the degree I would have been had it been a clean finish. And it was a good match. So job well done to the women involved. Pete Dunne VS Adam Cole was pretty good, and the crowd was super into it. Why does the Fiend still have red lighting? Just honestly, who on earth would possibly think that looks good? Then again, this is the same company that urges their camera operators to give the audience motion sickness. The Men's Survivor Series match was good. Ciampa looked really strong, hanging in there for so long alone. Keith Lee also looked like a big star as well. I thought NXT was represented well, even in defeat. But the main event...oh boy. I'm not the biggest fan of Bayley, but it was absolutely CRUCIAL that she got the win in that match. Becky didn't need the win; she's a big enough star by this point. Shayna certainly did not need the win; she's already had enough of a ridiculous superpush for a whole career. Bayley simply NEEDED the win to solidify her status and justify her heel turn. So what do they do? They have Bayley tap out. Great job WWE!! I could have forgiven that booking decision if they had Ronda return to interfere, but no. Clean finish for someone who simply did not need to win. Incredibly unpopular opinion on here, I know. But in my mind, the Four Horsewomen are simply the best stars in the company. They should all be at the top, with the company getting full behind them and building the divisions around them. But if Survivor Series 2019 proved anything, it's that while the company has booked Charlotte and Becky Lynch as they deserve, they will NEVER book Sasha Banks and Bayley as they truly deserve. And at this point, I'm just really sick of it. Whether you're a fan of Becky, Sasha, Bayley, Charlotte or not, I really couldn't care less. But I cannot see how anyone could fail to respect their talent. Tl;dr the actual wrestling was good, with everyone putting in good performances. But the booking was absolutely horrendous. Definitely think it's time to take another break from the main roster. I know I'm very unlikely to see anything but ridicule in response to this post, but I really don't care. That's just WF. Man in my opinion Bayley, Becky, and Sasha aren’t even the best in the company. Charlotte I’ll give you is legit in the top ten of greatest female performers ever, but even within Wwe Asuka, Kairi, Io Shirai, Candace Lerae, Ruby Riott, and Toni Storm are better in ring performers. Sasha is severely overrated. Never got what anyone ever saw in her.
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Post by Darkhawk on Nov 25, 2019 13:11:38 GMT -5
Walter should have lasted longer in that elimination match, at least get some wins and eliminate some guys.
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Post by Gorilla on Nov 25, 2019 13:44:17 GMT -5
Walter should have lasted longer in that elimination match, at least get some wins and eliminate some guys. They showed him dominate early. I don't think anyone was damaged from that match. Everyone looked strong and were mainly beaten by being blindsided. It's funny how many fake finishes there are in a normal match but in survivor series no early eliminated wrestler was kicking out of a finisher lol
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Post by hbkowns on Nov 25, 2019 13:56:17 GMT -5
I enjoyed the show, maybe because I was there live. I do agree that the main event fell completely flat. Certainly wasn’t a bad ppv but I’ve definitely been to better
7/10
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Post by CM Poor on Nov 25, 2019 14:30:51 GMT -5
I have no complaints about either show this weekend. Wrestling is supposed to be fun, and I had fun watching these shows.
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Post by Hasbromaniac on Nov 25, 2019 18:43:46 GMT -5
Hope Daniel goes after Shinsuke's ic title. He's been taking too many losses since he and Rowan were tag champs. Guy deserves much better.
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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Nov 25, 2019 23:39:25 GMT -5
Am I the only one amazed that a 39 year old student of Billy freaking Robinson just won the main event of a top four pay-per-view???
Even with my undying fandom of her, I was like “that’s not supposed to happen”
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2019 11:31:19 GMT -5
I haven't watched current WWE in months but it was a decent show. The NXT guys were impressive. But the women's match at the end was absolutely awful to me. I cringed a few times and turned it off. Shayna seems decent but Bayley looked way off on everything she did. Becky wasn't so smooth either.
So, after that, being curious about the NXT product ... I watched NXT War-games. Holy $% .... it was like night and day. This show is what I want out of wrestling today. It was superb.
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