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Post by The Brain on Dec 3, 2019 17:22:39 GMT -5
rude woulda been fun as a good guy like mr perfect all cocky and ripping on the heels. good guy rude vs nwo heel curt henning sounds pretty awesome to me. how about a rick rude & poppa pump posedown then a fued? Only if this involves Heenan spraying Steiner in the face with rubbing oil proceeding with Rude hitting him in the back of the head with a work out bar
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Post by cordless2016 on Dec 3, 2019 17:42:16 GMT -5
I wonder if Rude would have stuck around as an upper midcard guy in the nWo? It’s been said that one of the reasons he originally left the WWF was due to being a jobber to the stars (as well as a pay dispute with McMahon), and went to WCW to get a shot at being a top guy (which he got).
Once Hogan and friends took over I have a hard time seeing him ok in a lesser role. Like someone else said maybe he goes back to the WWF to feud with Austin. Or maybe he still goes to ECW but as a performer and not a commentator.
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Post by jking1979 on Dec 3, 2019 17:47:08 GMT -5
There are just some wrestlers that won't work as a good guy.
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Post by Gorilla on Dec 5, 2019 20:03:53 GMT -5
I would have been pissed off they fed Rude to Hogan.
I can't stand Hogan and the Hulk up, block punch, three punches, big boot, leg drop combo.
I would have loved it if Rude went back to WWE. Worked as a heel against Hart, Austin, Taker etc. Those matches would have been much better than anything wcw chorus put on. Terrible booking at WCW
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Post by The Brain on Dec 5, 2019 20:39:23 GMT -5
Looking back it's a damn shame how abruptly his career ended considering how successful his run in WCW was going.I always wished he got at least one run as World Champion.
I could imagine him being a heel color commentator post retirement and being great at it. I really enjoyed his brief ECW run in the booth.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2019 7:31:41 GMT -5
I would have been pissed off they fed Rude to Hogan. I can't stand Hogan and the Hulk up, block punch, three punches, big boot, leg drop combo. I would have loved it if Rude went back to WWE. Worked as a heel against Hart, Austin, Taker etc. Those matches would have been much better than anything wcw chorus put on. Terrible booking at WCW , for sure on rather him being in wwf instead. but either way he woulda gave us some great matches. like vader beats micheals for belt at SS96, like he shoulda, then rude comes back and does EXACTLY what he did in wcw and attack him with a chair and restarts the fued.
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Post by Gorilla on Dec 6, 2019 12:37:44 GMT -5
I would have been pissed off they fed Rude to Hogan. I can't stand Hogan and the Hulk up, block punch, three punches, big boot, leg drop combo. I would have loved it if Rude went back to WWE. Worked as a heel against Hart, Austin, Taker etc. Those matches would have been much better than anything wcw chorus put on. Terrible booking at WCW , for sure on rather him being in wwf instead. but either way he woulda gave us some great matches. like vader beats micheals for belt at SS96, like he shoulda, then rude comes back and does EXACTLY what he did in wcw and attack him with a chair and restarts the fued. That would have been great. Rude deserved a run as champ
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Post by MKSavage on Dec 6, 2019 13:27:25 GMT -5
I would have been pissed off they fed Rude to Hogan. I can't stand Hogan and the Hulk up, block punch, three punches, big boot, leg drop combo. I would have loved it if Rude went back to WWE. Worked as a heel against Hart, Austin, Taker etc. Those matches would have been much better than anything wcw chorus put on. Terrible booking at WCW for sure on rather him being in wwf instead. but either way he woulda gave us some great matches. like vader beats micheals for belt at SS96, like he shoulda, then rude comes back and does EXACTLY what he did in wcw and attack him with a chair and restarts the fued. I would have liked to have seen Rude return to the WWF, I think a feud with him and Bret or Michaels or Razor would have been great. And had he stayed around, I think an Austin/Rude feud could have been doable in 1998 when Austin was the top guy. They probably could have given him the belt on a few occasions at that time, if i remember correctly Austin didn't hold the WWF title belt for very long stretches, they seemed to be more interested in screwing him out of the title than him winning it and holding it for a long run.
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Post by LA Times on Dec 6, 2019 13:48:04 GMT -5
I dont think Rude wouldve fit in well at all as an active wrestler during that time. Guys like Val Venis and Joel Gertner stole his act and were getting themselves over with a new audience. Plus, Rude was in real bad shape.
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Post by cordless2016 on Dec 6, 2019 17:41:33 GMT -5
Despite not being recognized as a former world champ, I consider Rude one considering he was feuding with guys like Sting and Flair during his much underrated run. He looked great with the big gold belt.
Really his whole WCW run from 1991-1993 is underrated. The guy was killing it in the ring and was legit carrying WCW with Sting and Vader in 1992. His US Title feuds were great (Steamboat, Sting, Rhodes), and id argue that he should have been given the world title before that. Once he dropped the US Title he didn’t do too much until later in the year when he took the world title. And knowing he got hurt in the prime of his career is criminal considering he was just hitting his stride as a main eventer.
And I will always say that he should have beat Warrior in the cage for the WWF Title at SummerSlam 1990. Bret and others have stated that many saw Warrior as a flop by that point, and Rude would have been a far better heel to work with Hogan at WM7 than Slaughter.
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Post by The Brain on Dec 6, 2019 17:45:48 GMT -5
Despite not being recognized as a former world champ, I consider Rude one considering he was feuding with guys like Sting and Flair during his much underrated run. He looked great with the big gold belt. Really his whole WCW run from 1991-1993 is underrated. The guy was killing it in the ring and was legit carrying WCW with Sting and Vader in 1992. His US Title feuds were great (Steamboat, Sting, Rhodes), and id argue that he should have been given the world title before that. Once he dropped the US Title he didn’t do too much until later in the year when he took the world title. And knowing he got hurt in the prime of his career is criminal considering he was just hitting his stride as a main eventer. And I will always say that he should have beat Warrior in the cage for the WWF Title at SummerSlam 1990. Bret and others have stated that many saw Warrior as a flop by that point, and Rude would have been a far better heel to work with Hogan at WM7 than Slaughter. Man you ain't kidding
And hell yeah to him beating Warrior for the belt at SSlam 90. That SSlam is my fav of all time and him winning would've made it all the more better in my book.
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Post by jking1979 on Dec 6, 2019 19:21:22 GMT -5
Despite not being recognized as a former world champ, I consider Rude one considering he was feuding with guys like Sting and Flair during his much underrated run. He looked great with the big gold belt. Really his whole WCW run from 1991-1993 is underrated. The guy was killing it in the ring and was legit carrying WCW with Sting and Vader in 1992. His US Title feuds were great (Steamboat, Sting, Rhodes), and id argue that he should have been given the world title before that. Once he dropped the US Title he didn’t do too much until later in the year when he took the world title. And knowing he got hurt in the prime of his career is criminal considering he was just hitting his stride as a main eventer. And I will always say that he should have beat Warrior in the cage for the WWF Title at SummerSlam 1990. Bret and others have stated that many saw Warrior as a flop by that point, and Rude would have been a far better heel to work with Hogan at WM7 than Slaughter. Man you ain't kidding
And hell yeah to him beating Warrior for the belt at SSlam 90. That SSlam is my fav of all time and him winning would've made it all the more better in my book.
I was cheering for Ultimate Warrior back then. I'm older now and appreciate the heels in pro wrestling. Rick Rude was a great champion and one of the most entertaining wrestlers of all time. I even remember his tag team days with Manny Fernandez and having matches with the Road Warriors.
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Post by The Brain on Dec 6, 2019 19:46:01 GMT -5
Yeah him and the Raging Bull were a great team.
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Post by MKSavage on Dec 6, 2019 20:27:00 GMT -5
I dont think Rude wouldve fit in well at all as an active wrestler during that time. Guys like Val Venis and Joel Gertner stole his act and were getting themselves over with a new audience. Plus, Rude was in real bad shape. We're speaking hypothetically had Rude never got injured in 1994 and continued as an active wrestler. Had he still been an active wrestler from 1994 through 1998/99, and not injured his neck, he probably would have still been in great shape when he could have feuded with Stonecold Steve Austin in the WWF. Though, you're correct, he would have had to alter his gimmick in the attitude era, seeing how a few guys were similar character wise.
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Post by MKSavage on Dec 6, 2019 20:31:57 GMT -5
Despite not being recognized as a former world champ, I consider Rude one considering he was feuding with guys like Sting and Flair during his much underrated run. He looked great with the big gold belt. Really his whole WCW run from 1991-1993 is underrated. The guy was killing it in the ring and was legit carrying WCW with Sting and Vader in 1992. His US Title feuds were great (Steamboat, Sting, Rhodes), and id argue that he should have been given the world title before that. Once he dropped the US Title he didn’t do too much until later in the year when he took the world title. And knowing he got hurt in the prime of his career is criminal considering he was just hitting his stride as a main eventer. And I will always say that he should have beat Warrior in the cage for the WWF Title at SummerSlam 1990. Bret and others have stated that many saw Warrior as a flop by that point, and Rude would have been a far better heel to work with Hogan at WM7 than Slaughter. Man you ain't kidding
And hell yeah to him beating Warrior for the belt at SSlam 90. That SSlam is my fav of all time and him winning would've made it all the more better in my book.
I was fine with Warrior being champion, I think he did fine in that role. Though, being a Rick Rude fan, it would have been great had he been given a WWF title run - even if it was a short one like Slaughter's. Had the Iraq war storyline not happened, I could see them holding off the Warrior/Rude feud until Royal Rumble time then have Warrior drop the belt to Rude - in the same fashion that he dropped the title to Slaughter, with Savage's help - then have Rude drop the belt to Hogan.
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Post by LA Times on Dec 6, 2019 20:42:24 GMT -5
I dont think Rude wouldve fit in well at all as an active wrestler during that time. Guys like Val Venis and Joel Gertner stole his act and were getting themselves over with a new audience. Plus, Rude was in real bad shape. We're speaking hypothetically had Rude never got injured in 1994 and continued as an active wrestler. Had he still been an active wrestler from 1994 through 1998/99, and not injured his neck, he probably would have still been in great shape when he could have feuded with Stonecold Steve Austin in the WWF. Though, you're correct, he would have had to alter his gimmick in the attitude era, seeing how a few guys were similar character wise. Even if Rude never suffered that injury, his heavy drug use wouldve shortened his in ring career at around that time anyway.
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Post by The Brain on Dec 6, 2019 20:45:56 GMT -5
Man you ain't kidding
And hell yeah to him beating Warrior for the belt at SSlam 90. That SSlam is my fav of all time and him winning would've made it all the more better in my book.
I was fine with Warrior being champion, I think he did fine in that role. Though, being a Rick Rude fan, it would have been great had he been given a WWF title run - even if it was a short one like Slaughter's. Had the Iraq war storyline not happened, I could see them holding off the Warrior/Rude feud until Royal Rumble time then have Warrior drop the belt to Rude - in the same fashion that he dropped the title to Slaughter, with Savage's help - then have Rude drop the belt to Hogan. I'm a Sarge fan but I would've been all for Rude getting his spot in early 91 for a brief title run.
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Post by cordless2016 on Dec 7, 2019 0:46:32 GMT -5
It’s interesting to hear what Bischoff has to say about Rude in his 83 Weeks podcast on Spring Stampede 1994. Essentially Eric was close with Rick before they had a falling out shortly before his death. Eric insinuates that the injury may not have been career ending as many believed, and felt that due to it happening before WCW gave out guaranteed contracts, that Rude decided to cash in on his Loyds of London insurance policy and retire for good.
However, once the nWo kicked off a new hot period in wrestling, Eric says that Rude was “desperate” to get back in the ring and wanted WCW to pay back Loyds of London (Eric says the policy payout was $350-$450K). Eric said WCW couldn’t do that, and Rude didn’t have the $ himself to pay it back (which is surprising considering one would think he made enough over his career to pay that off). Rude felt Eric could get WCW to pay it off since they were paying Hogan, Hall, and Nash that much, and that’s how the falling out occurred.
Either way it’s sad to hear how much he wanted to get back into wrestling but contractually couldn’t.
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Post by K5 on Dec 7, 2019 10:30:58 GMT -5
It’s interesting to hear what Bischoff has to say about Rude in his 83 Weeks podcast on Spring Stampede 1994. Essentially Eric was close with Rick before they had a falling out shortly before his death. Eric insinuates that the injury may not have been career ending as many believed, and felt that due to it happening before WCW gave out guaranteed contracts, that Rude decided to cash in on his Loyds of London insurance policy and retire for good. However, once the nWo kicked off a new hot period in wrestling, Eric says that Rude was “desperate” to get back in the ring and wanted WCW to pay back Loyds of London (Eric says the policy payout was $350-$450K). Eric said WCW couldn’t do that, and Rude didn’t have the $ himself to pay it back (which is surprising considering one would think he made enough over his career to pay that off). Rude felt Eric could get WCW to pay it off since they were paying Hogan, Hall, and Nash that much, and that’s how the falling out occurred. Either way it’s sad to hear how much he wanted to get back into wrestling but contractually couldn’t. he wanted Vince to pay it off as well so he could return for a feud with Austin to wwf in 1998.
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Post by cordless2016 on Dec 7, 2019 13:11:39 GMT -5
It’s interesting to hear what Bischoff has to say about Rude in his 83 Weeks podcast on Spring Stampede 1994. Essentially Eric was close with Rick before they had a falling out shortly before his death. Eric insinuates that the injury may not have been career ending as many believed, and felt that due to it happening before WCW gave out guaranteed contracts, that Rude decided to cash in on his Loyds of London insurance policy and retire for good. However, once the nWo kicked off a new hot period in wrestling, Eric says that Rude was “desperate” to get back in the ring and wanted WCW to pay back Loyds of London (Eric says the policy payout was $350-$450K). Eric said WCW couldn’t do that, and Rude didn’t have the $ himself to pay it back (which is surprising considering one would think he made enough over his career to pay that off). Rude felt Eric could get WCW to pay it off since they were paying Hogan, Hall, and Nash that much, and that’s how the falling out occurred. Either way it’s sad to hear how much he wanted to get back into wrestling but contractually couldn’t. he wanted Vince to pay it off as well so he could return for a feud with Austin to wwf in 1998. Even in 1998 I can see why Vince couldn’t pay that. They were still just getting hot again and I doubt Vince had that spare cash laying around. WCW had the funds for sure, but I’m with Bischoff that he couldn’t justify it to the higher ups in Turner (they’d be paying off his $350-$450k life insurance policy plus paying him $200k+/year). When Eric said it was anywhere from $350-$450k, I get that’s a huge chunk of money, but with the way others have spoke about Loyds of London, you’d think the payout would be north of a million. If it was $350-$450k, I’m surprised that Rude didn’t have enough to pay them back considering he had a good near 10-year run before the injury. Maybe he spent it by 1996/7 but you’d think he’d have saved enough to be close to that amount.
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