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Post by newgenandy on Dec 6, 2019 15:11:58 GMT -5
You get quite a few posts on here detailing what part choice could've been better for someone. However, when I look at figures generally I don't see the issues others seem to.
There are exceptions - the elite rhyno with clearly oversized arms being an example. But in the while I generally check out the face, attire and get a general feel for the figure before deciding on if I'm going to get it. However I don't go into muscle definition, if a very slightly bigger leg would be more suitable etc.
How much time do you spend looking at figures before deciding if your going to get it? Do you look at your other figures before deciding If you think X's arms would've been a better choice etc?
For me the attire and detailing on that takes precedence over the size of arms etc (unless like I say clearly a strange choice such as the rhyno).
Just wondering what your general habits are like, how quick you are to decide if your getting a fig, if your on the fence do you wait to see it in person etc
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Post by HandsomeHollywood on Dec 6, 2019 15:19:05 GMT -5
I can generally tell pretty quick whether I want a figure or not.
The big issue for me now is size. Like how Gargano has the same torso as Rollins. I know Gargano has some muscle definition but he isn't that large. Things like that bug me. I'd like a new torso for guys like Bàlor, Gargano, Murphy, etc or a new one for Rollins, Ziggler, etc. Bàlor also gets basically the same lower body as CM Punk and I think those legs are too thick.
I can be forgiving though on things like height and whatnot. For some reason I really hate heads that feature people screaming.
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Post by SmithyPlayz on Dec 6, 2019 15:23:43 GMT -5
it more depends on playability, I love the Cesaro (black tights) mold, the Ziggler mold is normally the hardest the use and always stiff. Ryback having that body over a bigger one imo helped make it a better figure.
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Post by newgenandy on Dec 6, 2019 15:38:46 GMT -5
I can generally tell pretty quick whether I want a figure or not. The big issue for me now is size. Like how Gargano has the same torso as Rollins. I know Gargano has some muscle definition but he isn't that large. Things like that bug me. I'd like a new torso for guys like Bàlor, Gargano, Murphy, etc or a new one for Rollins, Ziggler, etc. Bàlor also gets basically the same lower body as CM Punk and I think those legs are too thick. I can be forgiving though on things like height and whatnot. For some reason I really hate heads that feature people screaming. Even the Seth one? I'm no good with series number but there was a Seth screaming in the grey attire (I think) that looked amazing. AJ on the other hand wasn't as great with the screaming head
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Dec 6, 2019 15:46:33 GMT -5
For the most part I don’t typically notice much until they’re pointed out by people on here. Now for the figures that I have been really wanting I can be somewhat extra critical. TNF Savage I recall being disappointed that he wasn’t tan enough, didn’t have a mesh shirt, rope chain necklace should’ve been a choker. There are probably a few other examples along those lines but they tend to be the exception and not the norm for me.
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Post by Deep Figure Value on Dec 6, 2019 15:50:39 GMT -5
Yeah, I think people sometimes hold Mattel to a way higher standard with these sorts of things than any of us have any real right to. Maybe it's just my age comparing these things to the figures I used to collect, which I thought were awesome even then. Like, these are light years ahead of what the BCAs gave us, so it feels weird to gripe about parts choices, given how far we've come.
Then again, maybe I'm just ignorant, cause I've seen pages of griping over that E70 Gargano's kickpads and I just don't know what the issue is LOL.
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Post by HandsomeHollywood on Dec 6, 2019 15:56:24 GMT -5
I can generally tell pretty quick whether I want a figure or not. The big issue for me now is size. Like how Gargano has the same torso as Rollins. I know Gargano has some muscle definition but he isn't that large. Things like that bug me. I'd like a new torso for guys like Bàlor, Gargano, Murphy, etc or a new one for Rollins, Ziggler, etc. Bàlor also gets basically the same lower body as CM Punk and I think those legs are too thick. I can be forgiving though on things like height and whatnot. For some reason I really hate heads that feature people screaming. Even the Seth one? I'm no good with series number but there was a Seth screaming in the grey attire (I think) that looked amazing. AJ on the other hand wasn't as great with the screaming head Yeah the Seth one too. This dates back for me to Jakks' Deluxe Aggression figures. I really didn't like those and it seemed like a rule for guys' DA counterpart to be screaming. Don't like open mouths for whatever reason. Even E71 Cole. Maybe it's a Freudian thing.
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Post by HandsomeHollywood on Dec 6, 2019 15:58:50 GMT -5
Yeah, I think people sometimes hold Mattel to a way higher standard with these sorts of things than any of us have any real right to. Maybe it's just my age comparing these things to the figures I used to collect, which I thought were awesome even then. Like, these are light years ahead of what the BCAs gave us, so it feels weird to gripe about parts choices, given how far we've come. Then again, maybe I'm just ignorant, cause I've seen pages of griping over that E70 Gargano's kickpads and I just don't know what the issue is LOL. I like to think I just don't buy the figures I don't want and move on. I try not to bury or whine much because they are just toys.
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Post by Bandalero on Dec 6, 2019 15:59:48 GMT -5
I like to either display or pose my figures in action shots, so I do look for detail in attire, accuracy in face scan and body type. In 10+ years Mattel has amassed a respectable library of parts in their inventory, yet I'm baffled sometimes by their choices, e.g. when was Sting ever the size of Batista? So I do find myself looking at proto-pics and analyzing it right away to figure out if more appropriate parts are needed. This does impact my decision-making as if I think the necessary part switches makes it too expensive then I wont get it. And sometimes Mattel gets it right like RSC Exclusive Andrade torso, then curfuffle it up with his E74 torso....
It's very rare that Mattel produces a retail figure that's perfect in my opinion. They originally marketed themselves as a toy line with attention to scale, which I absolutely loved, wrestlers aren't all the same, no balloon arms/thunder thighs like RAs. But then we see things like Ciampa and Black being too short, or Flair using a shredded torso when more appropriate ones exist. So yes, I do go out of my way to fix it up because when I display my figures I feel satisfied that I've got the best possible representation from Mattel's parts inventory.
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Post by Deep Figure Value on Dec 6, 2019 16:00:33 GMT -5
Yeah, I think people sometimes hold Mattel to a way higher standard with these sorts of things than any of us have any real right to. Maybe it's just my age comparing these things to the figures I used to collect, which I thought were awesome even then. Like, these are light years ahead of what the BCAs gave us, so it feels weird to gripe about parts choices, given how far we've come. Then again, maybe I'm just ignorant, cause I've seen pages of griping over that E70 Gargano's kickpads and I just don't know what the issue is LOL. I like to think I just don't buy the figures I don't want and move on. I try not to bury or whine much because they are just toys. I'm the same way. I probably don't have as large a collection as some folks here, but man, I love every figure I own. I can't imagine buying something with the foresight we get on these things today and not being able to enjoy it. Like, there shouldn't be any reason to be disappointed with a figure you own, given how far in advance we see just about every inch of these things.
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Post by punksnotdead on Dec 6, 2019 16:01:12 GMT -5
I passed on Gargano because of the boots. That's residual annoyance from NXT Rollins, as well, but it was enough for me to wait for the next one.
I'm nitpicky about specific guys if it's something I care more about. UE Triple H should have had leg sleeves and a knee brace. Most of the Elite HBKs should have had knee pads and a different boot mold. It's kind of case-by-case depending on the situation. RSE DX HBK sets off all of my OCD alarms.
I generally don't get too caught up with scale, but when guys are really over or undersized it's usually annoying to me. IRS looks too tall but he's close to being in scale with Bam Bam and Tatanka. Dibiase is way too short in comparison to all three. So stuff like that bothers me. Most of the suited guys are either too short or too tall, unfortunately.
Rhyno's shoulders, KO's arms, Fandago's torso, Rey's giant oven mitts. Again, it just depends on what the situation is and for which guy. I've seen people complain about Rollins' leg size and that kind of thing doesn't bother me. Even Ziggler's torso/arms doesn't bother me a ton at this point. The tank on Jeff Hardy hasn't ever bothered me a ton either because we've seen that same type of thing over-and-over again with the women.
I think the real issue for most of us is that Mattel has the right parts in most cases. It's difficult to digest them not being able to get these combinations right. Especially when they've done it right at times and then they'll switch it up. The knee pads on Razor come to mind since they proceeded to give Hall the leg sleeves. I think those situations in particular frustrate people, myself included. Like how they got Mr Perfect much closer to accurate in the 4-pack and went right back to the L3 mold for his Retrofest figure.
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Post by newgenandy on Dec 6, 2019 16:08:41 GMT -5
Yeah, I think people sometimes hold Mattel to a way higher standard with these sorts of things than any of us have any real right to. Maybe it's just my age comparing these things to the figures I used to collect, which I thought were awesome even then. Like, these are light years ahead of what the BCAs gave us, so it feels weird to gripe about parts choices, given how far we've come. Then again, maybe I'm just ignorant, cause I've seen pages of griping over that E70 Gargano's kickpads and I just don't know what the issue is LOL. That's 100% the position I'm in lol Like I didn't get jaks because I thought they were inferior to hasbro so to me mattels compared to jaks are light years ahead
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Post by newgenandy on Dec 6, 2019 16:13:34 GMT -5
I like to either display or pose my figures in action shots, so I do look for detail in attire, accuracy in face scan and body type. In 10+ years Mattel has amassed a respectable library of parts in their inventory, yet I'm baffled sometimes by their choices, e.g. when was Sting ever the size of Batista? So I do find myself looking at proto-pics and analyzing it right away to figure out if more appropriate parts are needed. This does impact my decision-making as if I think the necessary part switches makes it too expensive then I wont get it. And sometimes Mattel gets it right like RSC Exclusive Andrade torso, then curfuffle it up with his E74 torso.... It's very rare that Mattel produces a retail figure that's perfect in my opinion. They originally marketed themselves as a toy line with attention to scale, which I absolutely loved, wrestlers aren't all the same, no balloon arms/thunder thighs like RAs. But then we see things like Ciampa and Black being too short, or Flair using a shredded torso when more appropriate ones exist. So yes, I do go out of my way to fix it up because when I display my figures I feel satisfied that I've got the best possible representation from Mattel's parts inventory. That's interesting. What's your view on the RSC Shawn HBK 92 style elite? I think that's perfect imo along with the fashion police elites which again I was amazed by when I saw them. I honestly can only think of rhyno being the only one which jumped out at me.
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Post by Mongo Bears on Dec 6, 2019 16:15:19 GMT -5
I only buy flashbacks and I only want them to visually represent my memory of these characters.....problem is, I have a bad memory. It works out good though because typically I end up satisfied still with inaccuracies because I simply don’t recognize them. I’m glad for you all here who do hold Mattel to task however ...the bandana was pink though (not orange). That much I do remember
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Post by mcfclee on Dec 6, 2019 16:36:22 GMT -5
I’ve barely ever noticed or been bothered by this stuff. The scale for me needs to be close enough not perfect. I can tolerate Rollins and gargano being similar size, I couldn’t take Paul bearer being taller than Kane.
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Post by newgenandy on Dec 6, 2019 16:39:28 GMT -5
I only buy flashbacks and I only want them to visually represent my memory of these characters.....problem is, I have a bad memory. It works out good though because typically I end up satisfied still with inaccuracies because I simply don’t recognize them. I’m glad for you all here who do hold Mattel to task however ...the bandana was pink though. That much I do remember That's why I love the 92 Shawn RSC elite because in my head when someone says Shawn that's who I think of and loved. When he got into the feud a little later with Bret (granted they fought at Survior series 92 and had a few IC Title matches including the first ladder match in WWF but were not in a full programme then) I stopped liking him cos I was such a Bret mark lol. That similar dressed hasbro was also one I always wanted but couldn't find. Flashbacks are what make me tear up like a 7/8 year old again, then I realise I now have my own money to buy them lol
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Post by venomeratt on Dec 6, 2019 17:24:59 GMT -5
I too am on the muscle definition doesn't matter all that much to me (unless, as said, we have a Rhyno on our hands). I hardly ever swap parts other than heads and accessories. Ill pass on a bad face unless I know there's a cheap head swap that can fix it. And ill add knee braces, elbow/knee pads or a handkercheif/yowel/etc where I see it.
I'm just not all that particular about torsos or arms etc. (Except the weird fandango torso). My figs only display too, and I completely understand those who desire best parts for $ spent. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Post by Bandalero on Dec 6, 2019 19:16:28 GMT -5
But did you ever stop to ask that maybe those of us that are so sprung on torso definition, height, etc. might just find quite a bit of enjoyment in tinkering with a mass produced product? If you like Mattel’s work as is, that’s cool, our critique isn’t aimed at your collecting habits, it’s more about (a) Mattel did it right the first time so why they screwed it up or (b) Mattel has the right parts available, are they designing these figures in the dark?
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Post by Al_Snow_MotherF***ers on Dec 6, 2019 20:01:31 GMT -5
My take would be attire choice and ridiculous moves. Like the way gargano legs are could easily had dbry legs.or why stall on certain attires for long time just to sell the weaker ones first(V-Dream)
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Post by WCWThunderRosa on Dec 6, 2019 20:24:37 GMT -5
I don’t really nitpick too much beyond incorrect torsos. Like pre-2012 Rock being completely shredded and surfer Sting having the Batista torso. Unless it’s something absurdly wrong like Rhyno’s arms I don’t care as much
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