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Post by Nivro™ on Dec 6, 2019 21:11:39 GMT -5
Yeah, I think people sometimes hold Mattel to a way higher standard with these sorts of things than any of us have any real right to. Maybe it's just my age comparing these things to the figures I used to collect, which I thought were awesome even then. Like, these are light years ahead of what the BCAs gave us, so it feels weird to gripe about parts choices, given how far we've come. Then again, maybe I'm just ignorant, cause I've seen pages of griping over that E70 Gargano's kickpads and I just don't know what the issue is LOL. I think we/they hold them in high standards because we KNOW Mattel has the proper parts to do the figure justice but for whatever reason screw they pooch and choose differently (hello spreadsheets).
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2019 21:25:48 GMT -5
Scales pretty important to me so if mattel releases a figure thats out of scale, i need to figure out if its worth it to me to fix the figure with other parts
I understand they make mass production figures for retail so it is what it is
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Post by GreyHaze:Big Bad Booty Daddy on Dec 6, 2019 22:30:22 GMT -5
I usually look at the protos and could normally tell when something is off. If it’s something that’s pretty to easy to swap, like an arm swap or head swap then it’s tolerable. However, a lot of times it’s mind boggling how some a lot of us know which parts fit and look better on figures than some of the people creating these figures. Mattel’s work is great and I understand there will be slip ups in the line, but it’s weird when the same issues keep occurring. An example would be surfer sting and singlet sting. Everyone here for the most part could agree and say that the Austin torso is a much better fit and he needs thicker legs. Now when you get to the DM crow Sting he has jacked up arms when the proto had the elite hawk arms (which look better) his boots are inaccurate and thick. Then you get his Wolfpac version which now was the super thin torso with thick legs and small arms. It’s pretty inconsistent (and yes, I know surfer sting was in better shape than crow sting.) I love fixing up figures, but when it requires something out of my control like a larger torso or minor things like knee pads, it’s annoying. Things like this should not be overlooked and I appreciate the fact that Steve took his time to answer our questions and give us insight to some of these decisions.
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Post by Old School Collector on Dec 6, 2019 23:27:43 GMT -5
Just keep them all moc, then you’ll never notice 😬
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Post by The Madness on Dec 7, 2019 2:53:00 GMT -5
My only major nitpick is with paint applications. I can't begin to tell you how many figures I've made dozens of trips looking for, only to put them back after finally finding one, because of a paint job that never should have made it out of the factory. Bam Bam Bigelow with his flames smeared all over his torso comes immediately to mind, for instance.
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Post by newgenandy on Dec 7, 2019 3:57:21 GMT -5
But did you ever stop to ask that maybe those of us that are so sprung on torso definition, height, etc. might just find quite a bit of enjoyment in tinkering with a mass produced product? If you like Mattel’s work as is, that’s cool, our critique isn’t aimed at your collecting habits, it’s more about (a) Mattel did it right the first time so why they screwed it up or (b) Mattel has the right parts available, are they designing these figures in the dark? Yeah I'm not having a go at the people who suggest other parts, just interested in how we all approach looking st figures. Not saying withers right or wrong but there's some interesting points people have made So if you looked at someone with an incorrect part, say torso, do you instantly know "I have so and so who's torso type would be a much better choice" or do you look st yourvpther figures before knowing which torso you would prefer?
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Post by Medieval on Dec 7, 2019 10:37:28 GMT -5
The only thing that REALLY bothered me was Owen's and Anvil's arms. But that has been fixed. The shoulders on Rhyno are the only thing that I thought was terrible. The height on Vince and IRS is questionable as well. But still this is the best WWE line we have gotten BY FAR.
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Post by HandsomeHollywood on Dec 7, 2019 11:36:05 GMT -5
But did you ever stop to ask that maybe those of us that are so sprung on torso definition, height, etc. might just find quite a bit of enjoyment in tinkering with a mass produced product? If you like Mattel’s work as is, that’s cool, our critique isn’t aimed at your collecting habits, it’s more about (a) Mattel did it right the first time so why they screwed it up or (b) Mattel has the right parts available, are they designing these figures in the dark? This is a valid point to me. It often goes unmentioned that I like my hobby and enjoy the fixing up of figures. I have a little workshop and everything.
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Post by Bobby Heenan on Dec 7, 2019 12:01:35 GMT -5
The scale is important for me. I know they won't be perfect, but IRS, announcer Vince and Legends Perfect stand out to me for the wrong reasons. Lack of scale was what kept me out of diving into Jakks, it was ridiculous to have Heenan be taller than Flair and Perfect, Hall be as tall as Nash, and so on.
As far as muscle definitions, apart from a few that are eyesores to me, like HOF DiBiase, I've learned to live with the fact that a ton of Legends/Flashbacks have torsos that make them look buffer than they ever were.
And I'll keep saying it til they lose the molds. I.HATE.the.damn.leg.sleeves. No one EVER wore quilted pads like those, and they look like crap on any leg mold that isn't HHH. Why they haven't made a mold that looks like the medium pads, but wider, is beyond me. In my setups, they get replaced 99.5% of the time.
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Post by legendsguy on Dec 7, 2019 12:28:14 GMT -5
im glad they aren't using cement like the old days so i can swap torsos ..etc.... otherwise there might be some hesitation buying. but now i can basically do what i want if im not satisfied. But overall i think MDT does a good job on parts.
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Post by Bandalero on Dec 7, 2019 13:15:00 GMT -5
But did you ever stop to ask that maybe those of us that are so sprung on torso definition, height, etc. might just find quite a bit of enjoyment in tinkering with a mass produced product? If you like Mattel’s work as is, that’s cool, our critique isn’t aimed at your collecting habits, it’s more about (a) Mattel did it right the first time so why they screwed it up or (b) Mattel has the right parts available, are they designing these figures in the dark? Yeah I'm not having a go at the people who suggest other parts, just interested in how we all approach looking st figures. Not saying withers right or wrong but there's some interesting points people have made So if you looked at someone with an incorrect part, say torso, do you instantly know "I have so and so who's torso type would be a much better choice" or do you look st yourvpther figures before knowing which torso you would prefer? No harm meant - and I didn't intend for what i said to sound confrontational, it's a legit point I think, just like HandsomeHollywood pointed out, I too have a little work station and a parts bin to tinker to my heart's content. To answer your last question, yes I actually do look at protos and quickly identify if I think incorrect parts were used based on my perception, and then run though my knowledge of parts I have or parts that are sold second-hand that I can get to make the fix-up. In most all cases it's about how I perceive the wrestler. Because I'm not a customizer/painter I rely 100% on existing parts and colour plastics Mattel has used. It doesn't always work out in my favour though, e.g. 1. Rick "the Model" Martel was probably shredded like that back in the AWA, but he definitely had a barrel chest/belly when he was the model - quick google pic searches will confirm that. I feel the Iron Sheik torso is most appropriate for him, however that torso doesn't come in Martel's skin tone. So I'm stuck. 2. Ron Simmons was totally out of scale, he never wore long white boots. So I switched it with short white boots and that definitely fixed the height. Except that his calves are ever so slightly over the top of the boots and that irritates me. There's no other blue-tights/smaller calves available that matches Ron's blue. Dude Love, FB Edge, Retrofest HBK, and GAB Sting blue tights are all different shades, so I have to live with the over-hang. But oftentimes, the parts exist in the right colours to warrant me making the switch to fix these figures to how great they can be. And look I know Mattel is lightyears ahead of when I used to play with 5lbs LJN wrestling figures; so I'm happy to tinker. My frustration comes when there are blatantly more appropriate parts available - like why the hell did they not just use Daniel Bryan kicks for Gargano? There's no excuse, not even SPREADSHEETS can explain that one.
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Post by afwanimations on Dec 7, 2019 14:22:10 GMT -5
I can generally tell pretty quick whether I want a figure or not. The big issue for me now is size. Like how Gargano has the same torso as Rollins. I know Gargano has some muscle definition but he isn't that large. Things like that bug me. I'd like a new torso for guys like Bàlor, Gargano, Murphy, etc or a new one for Rollins, Ziggler, etc. Bàlor also gets basically the same lower body as CM Punk and I think those legs are too thick. I can be forgiving though on things like height and whatnot. For some reason I really hate heads that feature people screaming. Gargano should've got the same torso as ricochet
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Post by WalterF on Dec 8, 2019 22:58:27 GMT -5
I’m not super picky w parts and scale honestly. I enjoyed Jakks for years and they were waaaaaaay off with that stuff so Mattel’s standards are still considered high for me. However a few turn me off. That small torso for the new e74 Andrade took it from a pre order item to a wait for retail item because they had such a better fit and I can’t guess why they gave him a smaller torso. But, again, mostly if I like the wrestler and the deco I’m in
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Post by 👑🇵🇭⭐️ on Dec 9, 2019 1:42:22 GMT -5
I ask myself 2 questions before buy a Mattel WWE figure.
1. Does it come with a Championship Title Belt??
If yes, proceed to question 2. If no, do not buy figure.
2. Do I already have the Championship Title Belt that it comes with??
If yes, buy the figure, remove Championship Title Belt from package, and then sell the figure. If no, do not buy the figure.
Of course, there will always be a few exceptions to my rule.
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Post by sandeep on Dec 9, 2019 6:25:38 GMT -5
I really hope one day Goldberg will have his unique torso and not the triple h one and same goes for The Kane he was huge but we receive a trimmed down version when he was unmasked .
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