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Post by TurboEddie on Dec 16, 2019 1:23:57 GMT -5
The first half of the event was good, but then it fell off the rails.
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Post by @brit_figs on Dec 16, 2019 7:03:04 GMT -5
Enjoyed it overall, few mistakes etc. Hope Sane didn’t get legit concussed.
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Post by Deep Figure Value on Dec 16, 2019 8:15:06 GMT -5
I liked the show. My only issues were with the main event, and even then, it was only in regard to a) feeling concerned for Kairi's well being, because something very obviously went wrong, and b) the immediate shift in gears from the KWs' victory over to the brawl for brawling's sake. Otherwise, I have zero complaints.
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Post by Bandalero on Dec 16, 2019 11:22:24 GMT -5
I'll have to go re-watch the PPV but I could have sworn the commentators quickly saying that a chair Kairi was throwing into the ring, ricocheted back into her face. I wonder if that's when everything started to go loopy for her.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2019 13:49:47 GMT -5
I'll have to go re-watch the PPV but I could have sworn the commentators quickly saying that a chair Kairi was throwing into the ring, ricocheted back into her face. I wonder if that's when everything started to go loopy for her. Off topic I know, but did you see the Bobby Eaton tribute show on Saturday? I did and that was worth the 9.99 I spent! I'd rather that than a whole month of wwe network.
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Post by Quazimoto on Dec 16, 2019 14:06:24 GMT -5
Actually a pretty decent show last night I thought.
SD Tag Title Ladder Match was solid with a few nifty spots in it. Of course, you almost never can go wrong with any version of New Day vs Revival.
Black vs Murphy was excellent. Well crafted and really made both guys shine. I really hope their feud isn't over and turn into a long term thing because they work great together.
I genuinely enjoyed the hell out of Miz vs Wyatt. I know most people are craping all over that match, but I thought I was perfect and did exactly what it set out to do. Bray Wyatt, whether as The Fiend or "Mr Rogers" is NOT out there to put on five star matches. I'm sure he could if it was needed, but it's not. He's a character and his match against The Miz did exactly what it set out to do in further cementing the idea and strengthening the question about his mental soundness. Is he a few crayons short of a full box or is he completely in control and manipulating everyone like a true puppet master. Frankly, I love it and have really missed that sort of zaniness in wrestling. In all honestly, the only thing I don't like about Wyatt and his character is the red lighting during Fiend matches.
I actually thought the Women's Tag Team Title match was pretty good. Sure, there were a few instances of bad timing and obvious setups, but overall it worked pretty well for me. Hated the victory getting cut off by the brawling crap.
The rest of the show was RAW of SmackDown level stuff. Not bad per say, but not real good either. Just sort of there. And seriously, does anyone even care about the Reigns vs Corbin feud? I actually like Corbin. He's a decent worker and a pretty dang good heel. But I can't, for the life of me, get even remotely invested in this feud.
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Post by rkmo: The FOCUS Method on Dec 16, 2019 14:13:30 GMT -5
Actually a pretty decent show last night I thought. The rest of the show was RAW of SmackDown level stuff. Not bad per say, but not real good either. Just sort of there. And seriously, does anyone even care about the Reigns vs Corbin feud? I actually like Corbin. He's a decent worker and a pretty dang good heel. But I can't, for the life of me, get even remotely invested in this feud.
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Post by Bandalero on Dec 16, 2019 14:15:10 GMT -5
I'll have to go re-watch the PPV but I could have sworn the commentators quickly saying that a chair Kairi was throwing into the ring, ricocheted back into her face. I wonder if that's when everything started to go loopy for her. Off topic I know, but did you see the Bobby Eaton tribute show on Saturday? I did and that was worth the 9.99 I spent! I'd rather that than a whole month of wwe network. No I didn't, he's so deserving! That's a guy that should be considered for the HOF...Midnight Express anyone!?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2019 14:19:35 GMT -5
Actually a pretty decent show last night I thought. SD Tag Title Ladder Match was solid with a few nifty spots in it. Of course, you almost never can go wrong with any version of New Day vs Revival. Black vs Murphy was excellent. Well crafted and really made both guys shine. I really hope their feud isn't over and turn into a long term thing because they work great together. I genuinely enjoyed the hell out of Miz vs Wyatt. I know most people are craping all over that match, but I thought I was perfect and did exactly what it set out to do. Bray Wyatt, whether as The Fiend or "Mr Rogers" is NOT out there to put on five star matches. I'm sure he could if it was needed, but it's not. He's a character and his match against The Miz did exactly what it set out to do in further cementing the idea and strengthening the question about his mental soundness. Is he a few crayons short of a full box or is he completely in control and manipulating everyone like a true puppet master. Frankly, I love it and have really missed that sort of zaniness in wrestling. In all honestly, the only thing I don't like about Wyatt and his character is the red lighting during Fiend matches. I actually thought the Women's Tag Team Title match was pretty good. Sure, there were a few instances of bad timing and obvious setups, but overall it worked pretty well for me. Hated the victory getting cut off by the brawling crap. The rest of the show was RAW of SmackDown level stuff. Not bad per say, but not real good either. Just sort of there. And seriously, does anyone even care about the Reigns vs Corbin feud? I actually like Corbin. He's a decent worker and a pretty dang good heel. But I can't, for the life of me, get even remotely invested in this feud. I completely agree with you about Miz vs. Wyatt. I enjoyed every second of that match, Cried laughing when he came out to the fun house theme for the entire entrance, and enjoyed the actual match. It wasn't a big technical match, but it played it's role. I absolutely love high level technical matches, but not everything has to be. Bray Wyatt's gift to wrestling is not his in ring ability, it's his acting ability. He gets to show off his versatility with the Fiend and Fun House Bray, and I thought this match did an excellent job of continuing to grow him as a character as well as create some possibilities about where it goes from here. Wasn't really a wrestling match, but it didn't really have to be.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2019 14:28:53 GMT -5
Off topic I know, but did you see the Bobby Eaton tribute show on Saturday? I did and that was worth the 9.99 I spent! I'd rather that than a whole month of wwe network. No I didn't, he's so deserving! That's a guy that should be considered for the HOF...Midnight Express anyone!? I hope so and if they are that will be the only speech I watch.
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Post by Deep Figure Value on Dec 16, 2019 14:33:36 GMT -5
Wait, people didn't like Wyatt vs. Miz?
I give up.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2019 14:48:58 GMT -5
Wait, people didn't like Wyatt vs. Miz? I give up. The aftermath with Bryan seemed good, but the match itself was just there. So I read anyway.
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Post by Deep Figure Value on Dec 16, 2019 14:51:55 GMT -5
Wait, people didn't like Wyatt vs. Miz? I give up. The aftermath with Bryan seemed good, but the match itself was just there. So I read anyway. Huh. I thought it was fun...thoroughly entertaining, and a nice new wrinkle in the overall story of Wyatt and the Fiend.
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Post by rkmo: The FOCUS Method on Dec 16, 2019 15:24:40 GMT -5
Off topic I know, but did you see the Bobby Eaton tribute show on Saturday? I did and that was worth the 9.99 I spent! I'd rather that than a whole month of wwe network. No I didn't, he's so deserving! That's a guy that should be considered for the HOF...Midnight Express anyone!? Brought it up a few weeks back with a ME fan over on Retro Watch thread, but a local promotion had a blurb in the area paper about Midnight Express going in this coming year. Could be something, could just be an assumed certainty or just blowing smoke.
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Dec 16, 2019 15:49:37 GMT -5
I didn't like Miz vs. Wyatt. It didn't make sense.
Miz should have IMMEDIATELY gotten himself disqualified. When a man (kayfabe) breaks into your house and goes into your 3 year old daughter's room and leaves a creepy doll in her crib to scare her, you don't try and have a technical wrestling match with him. You don't delve into your ground game and attempt joint manipulation. Miz should have been so enraged that he should have gotten weapons and just literally beaten the life out of Wyatt.
Instead, we got the same smiling cheesy Miz entrance, and then he STOOD THERE while Bray Wyatt posed on the announce table with his BACK TO THE RING. Right there, Miz should have attacked him. Why was Miz not trying to kill Bray Wyatt? Miz should have gone out there in street clothes and attacked Bray before the match even started.
If I'm supposed to believe that Miz is fighting for the safety of his family and that he's been violated by having his house broken into and his daughter frightened by Bray Wyatt...WHY IS HE PLAYING BY THE RULES OF A WRESTLING MATCH?
It was like Orton/HHH at WM25 didn't make any sense. Orton RKO's Stephanie and makes out with her while she's knocked out on the ground, and then HHH breaks into Orton's house and scares the sh*t out of his wife and throws Orton out the window onto his lawn....then the match itself ISN'T EVEN A STREET FIGHT? Come on. These guys should have been wanting to kill each other.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2019 16:07:32 GMT -5
No I didn't, he's so deserving! That's a guy that should be considered for the HOF...Midnight Express anyone!? Brought it up a few weeks back with a ME fan over on Retro Watch thread, but a local promotion had a blurb in the area paper about Midnight Express going in this coming year. Could be something, could just be an assumed certainty or just blowing smoke. Yeah but with nwo going in I don't see it. Hope I'm wrong.
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Post by tylerbreezee on Dec 16, 2019 16:13:14 GMT -5
I hope Kabuki warriors get a new theme tonight
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Post by johnnyhanson21 on Dec 16, 2019 18:05:47 GMT -5
I didn't like Miz vs. Wyatt. It didn't make sense. Miz should have IMMEDIATELY gotten himself disqualified. When a man (kayfabe) breaks into your house and goes into your 3 year old daughter's room and leaves a creepy doll in her crib to scare her, you don't try and have a technical wrestling match with him. You don't delve into your ground game and attempt joint manipulation. Miz should have been so enraged that he should have gotten weapons and just literally beaten the life out of Wyatt. Instead, we got the same smiling cheesy Miz entrance, and then he STOOD THERE while Bray Wyatt posed on the announce table with his BACK TO THE RING. Right there, Miz should have attacked him. Why was Miz not trying to kill Bray Wyatt? Miz should have gone out there in street clothes and attacked Bray before the match even started. If I'm supposed to believe that Miz is fighting for the safety of his family and that he's been violated by having his house broken into and his daughter frightened by Bray Wyatt...WHY IS HE PLAYING BY THE RULES OF A WRESTLING MATCH? It was like Orton/HHH at WM25 didn't make any sense. Orton RKO's Stephanie and makes out with her while she's knocked out on the ground, and then HHH breaks into Orton's house and scares the sh*t out of his wife and throws Orton out the window onto his lawn....then the match itself ISN'T EVEN A STREET FIGHT? Come on. These guys should have been wanting to kill each other.
Spot on this was my biggest issue at the show last night.If Miz said this was the most important match of his life and was fight for his family he should have went all out to kill Wyatt.Instead of coming out in brand new sparkly ring gear and doing his same entrance should have came out in street clothes with taped fist or something close to that,also with no entrance to give it that extra feel.Not saying Miz should have beat Wyatt in a match but make it a brawl with Miz getting the DQ and continuing to fight Wyatt until he finally got the upper hand and Bryan makes the save.
The was Miz was booked makes him look like a bitch and in reality not like a true man/father or husband.Miz has been in the WWE for 15 years now and should carry the weight in the back to get thing changed if he likes or at the very least come to a common ground to avoid such horse crapbooking that only damages him long term and in the fans eyes.
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Dec 16, 2019 19:38:47 GMT -5
The aftermath with Bryan seemed good, but the match itself was just there. So I read anyway. Huh. I thought it was fun...thoroughly entertaining, and a nice new wrinkle in the overall story of Wyatt and the Fiend. Wrestling isn't for fun, it's for serious movesets and rates of work.
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Post by rkmo: The FOCUS Method on Dec 16, 2019 23:35:02 GMT -5
I didn't like Miz vs. Wyatt. It didn't make sense. Miz should have IMMEDIATELY gotten himself disqualified. When a man (kayfabe) breaks into your house and goes into your 3 year old daughter's room and leaves a creepy doll in her crib to scare her, you don't try and have a technical wrestling match with him. You don't delve into your ground game and attempt joint manipulation. Miz should have been so enraged that he should have gotten weapons and just literally beaten the life out of Wyatt. Instead, we got the same smiling cheesy Miz entrance, and then he STOOD THERE while Bray Wyatt posed on the announce table with his BACK TO THE RING. Right there, Miz should have attacked him. Why was Miz not trying to kill Bray Wyatt? Miz should have gone out there in street clothes and attacked Bray before the match even started. If I'm supposed to believe that Miz is fighting for the safety of his family and that he's been violated by having his house broken into and his daughter frightened by Bray Wyatt...WHY IS HE PLAYING BY THE RULES OF A WRESTLING MATCH? It was like Orton/HHH at WM25 didn't make any sense. Orton RKO's Stephanie and makes out with her while she's knocked out on the ground, and then HHH breaks into Orton's house and scares the sh*t out of his wife and throws Orton out the window onto his lawn....then the match itself ISN'T EVEN A STREET FIGHT? Come on. These guys should have been wanting to kill each other.
Spot on this was my biggest issue at the show last night.If Miz said this was the most important match of his life and was fight for his family he should have went all out to kill Wyatt.Instead of coming out in brand new sparkly ring gear and doing his same entrance should have came out in street clothes with taped fist or something close to that,also with no entrance to give it that extra feel.Not saying Miz should have beat Wyatt in a match but make it a brawl with Miz getting the DQ and continuing to fight Wyatt until he finally got the upper hand and Bryan makes the save.
The was Miz was booked makes him look like a bitch and in reality not like a true man/father or husband.Miz has been in the WWE for 15 years now and should carry the weight in the back to get thing changed if he likes or at the very least come to a common ground to avoid such horse crap booking that only damages him long term and in the fans eyes.
The fact is, Miz is readily aware that the best hope of staying in a comfortable spot in this company is to not rock the boat, be a good boy, and keep his d*mn mouth shut.
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