wisephil
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Post by wisephil on Dec 16, 2019 18:51:47 GMT -5
Hey guys. Was having this discussion with a friend of mine... In your opinion, who's bigger / more popular? 2005 Batista or 2013/14 Bryan? In terms of fan reactions or maybe ratings (despite being very diferent eras).
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Post by ASR (therockisback) on Dec 16, 2019 19:02:51 GMT -5
This is a hard one overall tbh 🤷🏾‍♂️ As far as Crowd reactions I’d say Bryan beats Batista and Orton and nearly all the guys from 05 onwards.
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Dec 16, 2019 19:29:56 GMT -5
Bryan hands down. Batista has never received such a reaction.
In fact I would even say that Batista wasn't even as over as Cena and Rey back in the day.
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Post by cordless2016 on Dec 16, 2019 19:39:26 GMT -5
Bryan hands down. Batista has never received such a reaction. In fact I would even say that Batista wasn't even as over as Cena and Rey back in the day. You clearly never watched late 2004/ early 2005 Batista. The guy is the definition of getting over organically and the crowd shook the building when he turned on HHH. Ratings in the spring of Raw with him on top were also the highest rated Raws since 2002 until they moved him to SD. Then ratings began to sink again with Cena on top.
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Post by RybackV1 on Dec 16, 2019 19:55:20 GMT -5
Daniel Bryan for sure. Batista was great in hindsight, but at the time fans didn’t like the forced push, same with Cena except it was worse in his case.
Bryan has gotten some of the best crowd reactions in the history of the company.
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Post by rkfastmo on Dec 16, 2019 19:57:59 GMT -5
Both certainly gained momentous support over the Chosen Ones Vince had lined up, but I think the corporate lid that was attempted to be put on Bryan helped build up his reactions a tad bit more.
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Post by ~ Cymru ~ on Dec 16, 2019 20:06:22 GMT -5
Bryan in that time was getting the biggest reactions I'd seen in a hella long time I'd go out on a limb and say no one has received a reaction comparable since Austin. Quite the image seeing nearly every single person in the arena doing the "yes" chant on their feet hands going hell for leather.
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Post by China Claus on Dec 16, 2019 23:34:40 GMT -5
It's an interesting comparison, to say the least.
Looking back, Orton was obviously the "Golden boy" of Evolution, and while they obviously wanted Batista to get over, I'm not sure they'd planned it that way. Batista was HOT, especially after Armageddon 2004. And from my understanding, they were planning on Orton vs. Triple H for WrestleMania, but Batista was getting the better reactions. And if you watch Rumble 05, Cena and Batista were both getting cheered somewhat equally being the final 2(when Vince tore both quad's LMAO).
That being said, I think it's pretty obvious they didn't expect Daniel Bryan to be getting the reactions he did. When you have people doing your "Yes!" chants at other major sporting events, you know you're popular. And while WWE didn't know what they had at first, the thankfully ended up letting it play out.
Cena was getting pops on par with Batista back then, but nobody was like Bryan. Hell, the fans basically highjacked 2 straight Royal Rumble's over D-Bry....
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Post by Rated [R] NinJa on Dec 17, 2019 16:05:33 GMT -5
I’d automatically choose anything from 2005 over 2013/14.
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Dec 17, 2019 16:39:26 GMT -5
Bryan hands down. Batista has never received such a reaction. In fact I would even say that Batista wasn't even as over as Cena and Rey back in the day. You clearly never watched late 2004/ early 2005 Batista. The guy is the definition of getting over organically and the crowd shook the building when he turned on HHH. Ratings in the spring of Raw with him on top were also the highest rated Raws since 2002 until they moved him to SD. Then ratings began to sink again with Cena on top. To be fair HHH was the most hated man in the company at the time so that alone would've gave him a huge pop. I'm not saying he wasn't over, I just don't remember him being as over as Rey and Cena.
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Post by cordless2016 on Dec 17, 2019 18:51:53 GMT -5
You clearly never watched late 2004/ early 2005 Batista. The guy is the definition of getting over organically and the crowd shook the building when he turned on HHH. Ratings in the spring of Raw with him on top were also the highest rated Raws since 2002 until they moved him to SD. Then ratings began to sink again with Cena on top. To be fair HHH was the most hated man in the company at the time so that alone would've gave him a huge pop. I'm not saying he wasn't over, I just don't remember him being as over as Rey and Cena. You could say the authority were the most hated group as well which helped Bryan’s pops.
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Post by LA Times on Dec 17, 2019 19:28:35 GMT -5
Batista is by far the bigger star
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Dec 17, 2019 20:35:25 GMT -5
To be fair HHH was the most hated man in the company at the time so that alone would've gave him a huge pop. I'm not saying he wasn't over, I just don't remember him being as over as Rey and Cena. You could say the authority were the most hated group as well which helped Bryan’s pops. They did 100%, that's why having evil boss characters is great for getting faces over. Without The Authority Bryan's rise to the top would've have been as huge as it was.
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Post by k5 on Dec 17, 2019 23:26:43 GMT -5
sorry rose tinted glasses wearing Batista fans, but the answer is very easily Daniel Bryan.
Batista wasn’t being imitated by fans, celebrities, athletes...he had no movement. Daniel Bryan was more over than a home run
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Post by Kill Em' All on Dec 18, 2019 14:19:10 GMT -5
Batista got over organically in 2004, and earned every right. And he rapidly improved in the ring from 2005 moving forward. I think he was great face. I think Cena/Orton/Edge/Batista being the pillars of the 2nd half of the RA worked very well. Of course you had HHH,HBK, Taker, etc also in the late years of the RA. Batista was loved my kids, women fans, and grow men. And had more appeal then Cena to older male demographics. As was distinct. Daniel Bryan became more of pop culture icon imo. With a lot of his chants and fame going into the social media. Both men's rises were organic and beautifully executed. Even if Bryans was a total mistake, while I think Batista's rise was just year or two come early. Both men deserve mad credit. And were able to benefit at situations at hand. I also really don't like 2013/2014. The only enjoyment I got out of this time period was Daniel Bryan, Orton and Cena as individuals put on some of their best work, I loved Miz And Mizdow (total gold), Goldust and Cody Rhodes, The Usos work and The Shield. Seeing Ryback push get rebooted, Ziggler on and off again push, and just among other things made me hate this era. However as I said they're was a lot of great acts and good bits of performances and matches. I think 2013-2014 if done right could of been some of the best years the company ever had. They're was tons of entertaining serious and comedic storylines. 2005 was not the greatest year in WWE history. But, we have the RA get freshened up. Guys like Edge, Orton, Cena, Batista were gonna dictate the pace for the the next 5 years. And I feel like lots of the mic and story work was much better. And I just hated seeing the World Title get spit on in 2011-2013, and how you would see like Orton Vs. Cesaro/Sheamus Vs. Cesaro/ Ziggler Vs. Kofi like on Raw followed up by SmackDown and then like another 3 weeks later it felt repetitive.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Dec 18, 2019 14:48:38 GMT -5
Batista, by far. He was even more popular than Cena for a minute there.
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Post by The American Daydream on Dec 19, 2019 22:21:14 GMT -5
The only two things that make this even a close conversation is the god awful feuds Batista had with Khali and "King" Booker. God they drew those out forever and only a few decent matches came from them.
But when he turned on HHH, and even facing Orton early on after he started to become established, yeah I think he was a bigger star than Bryan. Neither had very long careers in WWE though.
I think Bryan beat him on more epic reactions and moments for memorability but idk about better matches. Depends on if you want more story telling or actual in ring ability. I'd give it to them both on that category. They've each had some great ones, Bryan definitely takes the cake in the Indies.
It says something about HHH that both of their biggest moments came from rivalries with him.
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Post by LA Times on Dec 19, 2019 23:14:38 GMT -5
Batista, by far. He was even more popular than Cena for a minute there. An entire generation of fans grew up with John Cena and Batista as their version of Hulk Hogan and Ultimate Warrior. Daniel Bryan doesnt even compare, even after both guys put him over.
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Post by havoc7179 on Dec 23, 2019 10:34:02 GMT -5
During that 2005 era, Orton and Batista's face runs were only big because of the turn on Triple H. Batista only came into his own on Smackdown, and orton never receives the same pops he got as a face than when he was feuding with Triple H.
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Post by LK3 on Dec 25, 2019 23:12:30 GMT -5
Bryan, but probably not by as big a margin as a lot of people would be willing to admit.
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