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Post by LK3 on Dec 26, 2019 4:46:47 GMT -5
It's a C. People can bitch about RAW and SD all they want, and much of it is deserved but there is some good stuff done weekly as well. As I've said before, if you're still bitching, then you're still watching so there is SOMETHING that still brings you in. Nothing has to bring us in. We’re weirdos who are obsessed with pro wrestling or WWE, we’ll watch good or bad. It’s like being a fan of a sports team. It might suck and be hard to watch a lot of times, but every now and then something good happens to make us happy for a week. Trust me, I’m a Raiders fan.
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Post by Deep Figure Value on Dec 26, 2019 8:12:30 GMT -5
I gave it a solid B. My vote may be skewed by certain factors, but f*ck 'em. Entertainment is subjective, I've been invested all year long, and I've liked more of what they had to offer than I didn't. I think people let the pithy, stupid sort of sh*t that doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things get in the way of being able to enjoy the good that's being put forth, and I think there's a lot more good than people want to give them credit for. I say it all the time, but wrestling isn't exactly some high brow form of entertainment. Shut off your brain for a few hours, accept that we're all into something that even on the surface is pretty f*cking stupid to begin with, and just enjoy.
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Post by Gorilla on Dec 26, 2019 14:33:16 GMT -5
During the late 80s multiple guys were over at the same time: Jake Roberts, Jim Duggan, Hulk Hogan, The Hart Foundation, Brutus Beefcake, Randy Savage (heel or face), Ultimate Warrior, Roddy Piper, Demolition.
They all got huge pops.
Why can't the WWE make stars anymore? I listed a bunch of wrestlers, and only two of them were really strong workers (Savage and Bret). Maybe the WWE should stop trying to put guys like AJ and Rollins on top. It doesn't matter if you're a great worker and flip flop high spots. Get a guy (or build someone up) with persona.
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Post by havoc7179 on Dec 26, 2019 14:56:32 GMT -5
Like the Simpsons there are "fans" who hate it but still watch and fans who find it to be entertaining.
You might not like the childish stories but I do. While I didn't like where certain wrestlers are (McIntyre, Styles, and Bryan) I still enjoyed their matches and the fact that they're being used.
It's entertaining to me and I love it so A all around.
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Post by TheEvilDoink1987 on Dec 26, 2019 16:07:43 GMT -5
From an in-ring talent perspective, the current roster gets an A.
The sad truth, however, is that everything else about the product these days probably deserves a D. One of the most talented rosters they've ever assembled going to waste because none of the matches or feuds ever have any substance. I love a good wrestling match, however, without a compelling story it doesn't mean much anymore. Good matches are a dime-a-dozen these days.
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Post by havoc7179 on Dec 26, 2019 18:58:20 GMT -5
From an in-ring talent perspective, the current roster gets an A. The sad truth, however, is that everything else about the product these days probably deserves a D. One of the most talented rosters they've ever assembled going to waste because none of the matches or feuds ever have any substance. I love a good wrestling match, however, without a compelling story it doesn't mean muc xxh anymore. Good matches are a dime-a-dozen these days. See I would agree with you about the story, but I didn't need to follow months of stories to enjoy Styles vs Nakamura in Japan. I didn't need to know the history of Omega to enjoy his matches. Stories can be a distraction. I'm all about the in ring product.
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Post by ahunter8056 on Dec 26, 2019 19:00:18 GMT -5
I gave it a D. Most of the time, WWE's main roster product has been subpar at best this year.
It's not all doom and gloom though. Some of the Ronda/Charlotte/Becky segments leading up to Mania were good, and I really enjoyed the team of Aleister and Ricochet. The video packages hyping Lacey/Lars/Heavy Machinery etc were all good weekly fixtures. #DIY appearing on RAW & SmackDown was also brilliant. Sasha's return was undoubtedly my favourite segment of the year, and her heel turn has been great so far. Becky has continued to shine. The Horsewomen tagging with and against each other in the same matches was a long time coming, and it was great to see them all finally being given a spotlight at the same time. The NXT Invasion was innovative, and a high point of the year.
But 50-50 booking, repetitive matches, and poor writing has ruined most of the year. Honestly most of the product just feels flat and lifeless, which is why I switched to only watching a couple clips a week instead of all of them. Nowadays I only watch clips of my absolute favourites (Heavy Machinery, Four Horsewomen, Aleister Black). The rest I just don't bother with, unless they're in a compelling storyline, like most of the Fiend's feuds for example.
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Post by TheSystem 1.5 on Dec 26, 2019 20:33:39 GMT -5
During the late 80s multiple guys were over at the same time: Jake Roberts, Jim Duggan, Hulk Hogan, The Hart Foundation, Brutus Beefcake, Randy Savage (heel or face), Ultimate Warrior, Roddy Piper, Demolition. They all got huge pops. Why can't the WWE make stars anymore? I listed a bunch of wrestlers, and only two of them were really strong workers (Savage and Bret). Maybe the WWE should stop trying to put guys like AJ and Rollins on top. It doesn't matter if you're a great worker and flip flop high spots. Get a guy (or build someone up) with persona. What about someone equal parts charismatic and great in ring...
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Post by Gorilla on Dec 27, 2019 8:42:30 GMT -5
During the late 80s multiple guys were over at the same time: Jake Roberts, Jim Duggan, Hulk Hogan, The Hart Foundation, Brutus Beefcake, Randy Savage (heel or face), Ultimate Warrior, Roddy Piper, Demolition. They all got huge pops. Why can't the WWE make stars anymore? I listed a bunch of wrestlers, and only two of them were really strong workers (Savage and Bret). Maybe the WWE should stop trying to put guys like AJ and Rollins on top. It doesn't matter if you're a great worker and flip flop high spots. Get a guy (or build someone up) with persona. What about someone equal parts charismatic and great in ring... Great choice! He should be on the main roster.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2019 14:09:24 GMT -5
I like that most people gave this year a F
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Dec 27, 2019 17:23:37 GMT -5
A hard F. They pushed Seth Rollins to the title and made him the top babyface - nobody ever asked for this, it’s that damn Vince again shoving people down our throats. I sure hope he pushes Kevin Owens and Samoa Joe in 2020! And I definitely won’t turn on them if he does! People had been crying for Seth to be the top face for years. One of the reasons why people hated Reigns was because he was being pushed higher than him.
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Dec 27, 2019 17:26:53 GMT -5
People who think 2019 was awful really need to wide back the clock to 2007/2011. That was the worst period in WWE history.
The current roster is superb and full of marketable stars. Sure there have been flaws but nothings perfect.
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Post by McBlake on Dec 27, 2019 18:21:46 GMT -5
I don't wanna be that guy, but all these people voting F, why still watch? That's not me trying to be a dick, it's a genuine question. F to me means you can't find one redeeming quality about the product over the last 12 months. Through all the crap this year there has been a lot of good too. C is fair imo, B if we are including NXT as "main roster" now.
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Post by rkmo: The FOCUS Method on Dec 27, 2019 21:51:39 GMT -5
People who think 2019 was awful really need to wide back the clock to 2007/2011. That was the worst period in WWE history. The current roster is superb and full of marketable stars. Sure there have been flaws but nothings perfect. 2009 was the start of the downturn for me, 2011 was the bottom of my interest. Watching just out of habit, close to being my last year of WWE until Punk delivered the "pipe bomb" promo. It wasn't until late 2013 and into 2014 where I felt the ship had righted. And I feel the reason I still watch is because the promise I see in the roster. The absence of opportunity and growth in all but a chosen few are the failures here and now.
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Dec 27, 2019 22:44:49 GMT -5
A hard F. They pushed Seth Rollins to the title and made him the top babyface - nobody ever asked for this, it’s that damn Vince again shoving people down our throats. I sure hope he pushes Kevin Owens and Samoa Joe in 2020! And I definitely won’t turn on them if he does! People had been crying for Seth to be the top face for years. One of the reasons why people hated Reigns was because he was being pushed higher than him. No way, man! We never support someone to be the top guy then turn on them when it happens.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2019 23:53:27 GMT -5
I don't wanna be that guy, but all these people voting F, why still watch? That's not me trying to be a dick, it's a genuine question. F to me means you can't find one redeeming quality about the product over the last 12 months. Through all the crap this year there has been a lot of good too. C is fair imo, B if we are including NXT as "main roster" now. For the most part, I don't. But this also exposed the flaw with letter grades. An A has a small range, a B has a small range, but an F has a huge range. Finding nothing redeeming would be a 0 in a percentage grade, and 49 would still be a fail, but just barely. F covers all of that. I'd give them a solid 30% over the year. NXT however gets a 90 or 95 out of me. Now please don't get me started on the imperial system . Edit: I realize you aren't American, but letter grades and imperial measurement go hand in hand to me.
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