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Post by hitmancmedge on Jan 24, 2020 8:02:45 GMT -5
So when Johnny Gargano let's say for example, says, "I want to be NXT Champion again!" Does that mean he can face Rhea Ripley and beat her for the NXT Title?? I mean, it is the NXT Championship now. I say that all wrestlers can either gun for Cole or Ripley. All belts are fair game if they are both the NXT Championships now. That’s a big reach with that take
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Post by robbutler01 on Jan 24, 2020 8:12:31 GMT -5
At this point nothing surprises me but I don't see the need for the change. IDEA - How about every one gets given a "participation" championship belt and then they will all be winners, equal and no one will feel left out LOL!
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Jan 24, 2020 8:29:34 GMT -5
It's really not all that confusing.
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Post by The Shiniest Wizard on Jan 24, 2020 8:40:07 GMT -5
I personally don't see a need to change it since "Women's Champion" isn't really a derogatory or negative statement, it's pretty unnecessary to get rid of. But oh well, not gonna lose sleep over it. Gonna be odd hearing them call Becky Lynch "The WWE Champion" though.
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Post by Bandalero on Jan 24, 2020 8:44:19 GMT -5
Let's be rational guys, when a male wrestler announces they are going after a championship, it's not against the female that is holding that equivalent championship. So no need for us to be cute about it.
To me this is an issue about equality vs. equity.
Equitable treatment is giving the women their world titles and tag titles, maybe even some day a secondary title. While the attempt to drop "Women's" from their titles is about making things equal for right or wrong reasons.
I also think it's a calculated business decision:
WWE has been boorishly proud of being the "first" with this women's revolution, first women's elimination chamber, first womeone's royal rumble, first women's hell in a cell etc. What they can't do is what IMPACT did (for a ratings grab) and that's have a woman beat a man for a WORLD title. Why? Because WWE is a global brand and you're not going to see true intergender matches in their ring. Chyna did it in the attitude era, but that was then, this is now, and probably forever.
So the next best thing is to be the "first" to eliminate the gender description. So Rhea, Becky and Bayley are "world" champions just like Tessa.
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Post by crashholly2002 on Jan 24, 2020 9:02:28 GMT -5
At this point nothing surprises me but I don't see the need for the change. IDEA - How about every one gets given a "participation" championship belt and then they will all be winners, equal and no one will feel left out LOL! They already do have that, R-Truth is keeping it warm.
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Post by ASR (therockisback) on Jan 24, 2020 9:20:38 GMT -5
Meh. Not bad.
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Post by hitmancmedge on Jan 24, 2020 9:25:42 GMT -5
At this point nothing surprises me but I don't see the need for the change. IDEA - How about every one gets given a "participation" championship belt and then they will all be winners, equal and no one will feel left out LOL! They already do have that, R-Truth is keeping it warm. Actually Mojo has it at the moment and he has started an angle where no one is sneaking up on him anymore, but you can challenge him any place any time for the belt.
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Post by kingnothing ~ Hardwired... on Jan 24, 2020 10:29:05 GMT -5
Let's be rational guys, when a male wrestler announces they are going after a championship, it's not against the female that is holding that equivalent championship. So no need for us to be cute about it. To me this is an issue about equality vs. equity. Equitable treatment is giving the women their world titles and tag titles, maybe even some day a secondary title. While the attempt to drop "Women's" from their titles is about making things equal for right or wrong reasons. I also think it's a calculated business decision: WWE has been boorishly proud of being the "first" with this women's revolution, first women's elimination chamber, first womeone's royal rumble, first women's hell in a cell etc. What they can't do is what IMPACT did (for a ratings grab) and that's have a woman beat a man for a WORLD title. Why? Because WWE is a global brand and you're not going to see true intergender matches in their ring. Chyna did it in the attitude era, but that was then, this is now, and probably forever. So the next best thing is to be the "first" to eliminate the gender description. So Rhea, Becky and Bayley are "world" champions just like Tessa. This might be the most level headed, well explained interpretation of what’s happening I’ve read in the last few days. Well done.
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Post by ~ Cymru ~ on Jan 24, 2020 10:54:52 GMT -5
Doesn't bother me tbh if they really wanna be equal in a faux sport then introduce intwergender matches.
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Post by punksnotdead on Jan 24, 2020 11:41:34 GMT -5
If this is important to the women then so be it. It's an odd take, and I don't personally think it does anything but to each their own. I just think WWE is so far behind on actually being progressive with women in wrestling. Like Candace LeRae broke a ton of barriers imo during her time tagging with Joey Ryan. Tessa Blanchard is kicking down walls for women. Nyla Rose isn't my cup of tea as a performer, but she's obviously breaking a big mold, too. Nothing WWE has done has really made me go, "oh, look how they're changing the business," outside of letting the women main event Mania. That's more of a big win over Vince McMahon, though. Triple H has never had a problem putting the women in the main event and he's always treated them like athletes since taking over NXT.
UFC already does this from a marketing standpoint. Go look at their posters. It doesn't say Women's Flyweight Championship. It says "World Flyweight Championship." So I'm assuming this is all in order to bring the women's titles to the same marketing level as the men without the female designation. Again, not something I think matters, but if it matters to the women then so be it. Baby steps are better than no steps. While I don't think this is proper use of forward thinking for women in wrestling, it's at least something they've thought about.
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Post by showbizpizzabear81 on Jan 24, 2020 12:18:46 GMT -5
She should call herself "The Person" then.
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Post by Nivro™ on Jan 24, 2020 12:35:34 GMT -5
Clearly Brock needs to win the Rumble, challenge one of the women....absolutely destroy her and then pick up a mic and say "Suplex City doesnt see gender, bitch" and walk out. It will be greatest Mania moment ever.
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Post by Tomoblivion on Jan 24, 2020 12:51:12 GMT -5
Ridiculous.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2020 13:08:29 GMT -5
Saudi Arabia.
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Post by Grumpyoldman on Jan 24, 2020 13:28:27 GMT -5
Soooo... I'm guessing they'll sign a trans-gender wrestler & be the first company to proclaim "We don't see gender. We see talent".
And their P.R. department will pat themselves on the back for a while.
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Post by JP on Jan 24, 2020 13:30:50 GMT -5
If they go this route, they may as well retire the Women's belts and have them wrestle for the WWE and Universal titles. I'm sure Becky would change her mind if she had to put Brock over 1000 times.
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Post by k5 on Jan 24, 2020 13:44:32 GMT -5
my take? I’d have rather seen gender specific names for both titles - WWE Men’s World Championship and WWE Women’s World Championship. then you have the same supposed equality they’re going for, without losing distinction between two titles.
whatever though, this is just super cringe on multiple levels imo.
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Post by FLUX '97 on Jan 24, 2020 13:59:22 GMT -5
Let's be rational guys, when a male wrestler announces they are going after a championship, it's not against the female that is holding that equivalent championship. So no need for us to be cute about it. To me this is an issue about equality vs. equity. Equitable treatment is giving the women their world titles and tag titles, maybe even some day a secondary title. While the attempt to drop "Women's" from their titles is about making things equal for right or wrong reasons. I also think it's a calculated business decision: WWE has been boorishly proud of being the "first" with this women's revolution, first women's elimination chamber, first womeone's royal rumble, first women's hell in a cell etc. What they can't do is what IMPACT did (for a ratings grab) and that's have a woman beat a man for a WORLD title. Why? Because WWE is a global brand and you're not going to see true intergender matches in their ring. Chyna did it in the attitude era, but that was then, this is now, and probably forever. So the next best thing is to be the "first" to eliminate the gender description. So Rhea, Becky and Bayley are "world" champions just like Tessa. Thank someone else on here has some common sense about this, rather than just bitching and whining about "PC culture" or "wokeness" or "snowflakes" or whatever the .
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Post by FLUX '97 on Jan 24, 2020 14:00:55 GMT -5
Soooo... I'm guessing they'll sign a trans-gender wrestler & be the first company to proclaim "We don't see gender. We see talent". And their P.R. department will pat themselves on the back for a while. And what exactly would be wrong with signing a transgender wrestler? I'll wait.
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