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Post by Old School Collector on Feb 9, 2020 13:33:36 GMT -5
Seeing as how they could sign a deal that wouldn’t include the WWE making anything from it ... and Martha does hold all the likeness and license for her husband ... would this be possible ? 🤷🏻♂️
I’m not familiar with how STORM decides on who or what to make, but I was simply wondering if this would be something that could potentially become a real thing, because obviously Mattel will never be allowed to do it.
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Post by Ruby Fusion on Feb 9, 2020 14:08:23 GMT -5
Probably not profitable enough. While there may be many collectors that want Owen, not many will pay that much for Owen...
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Post by newgenandy on Feb 9, 2020 14:39:46 GMT -5
Probably not profitable enough. While there may be many collectors that want Owen, not many will pay that much for Owen... I'm not sure, in the last 5-10 years he is more popular than ever He was ahead of his time in bringing that style (especially in his younger days) to the us from Japan etc. Who else in the us was running up the ropes, bouncing off the top rope on his backside onto his feet then flipping off the top rope in 91/92? Through the network / YouTube etc people have really started to appreciate his ability |
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Post by LA Times on Feb 9, 2020 14:53:49 GMT -5
Any legend that Mattel for whatever reason cannot or will not sign, would have the best shot to be made by Super 7 if their Lucha Libre and New Japan figures take off.
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Post by 3Lephant (Naptown Icon) on Feb 9, 2020 15:24:12 GMT -5
Probably not profitable enough. While there may be many collectors that want Owen, not many will pay that much for Owen... I'd do a friendly wager with ya that a Storm Collectibles Owen hart would outsell and be much more profitable than a Jushin Liger figure  |
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Post by mcfclee on Feb 9, 2020 15:34:06 GMT -5
I’d buy it and then a couple of the repairs too.
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Post by marklud on Feb 9, 2020 16:04:13 GMT -5
It's all about Martha's wishes, whether it's Storm/Mattel/Hasbro/insert company name here. Word has always been that she does not want to do anything at all like this no matter the circumstances, so does not seem likely.
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Post by LA Times on Feb 9, 2020 16:28:25 GMT -5
It's all about Martha's wishes, whether it's Storm/Mattel/Hasbro/insert company name here. Word has always been that she does not want to do anything at all like this no matter the circumstances, so does not seem likely. She allowed Owen Hart to be inducted into a pro wrestling hall of fame recently, so I dont think she totally hates wrestling. She might acquiesce if the WWE is not involved at all. |
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Post by marklud on Feb 9, 2020 16:51:26 GMT -5
It's all about Martha's wishes, whether it's Storm/Mattel/Hasbro/insert company name here. Word has always been that she does not want to do anything at all like this no matter the circumstances, so does not seem likely. She allowed Owen Hart to be inducted into a pro wrestling hall of fame recently, so I dont think she totally hates wrestling. She might acquiesce if the WWE is not involved at all. I think that's a pipe dream until we hear otherwise. Look at everything Bret has ever said about Martha and her thoughts on the business/recognizing Owen's accomplishments/etc. |
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Post by Patrick Bateman (original) on Feb 9, 2020 17:37:22 GMT -5
I think that's a pipe dream until we hear otherwise. Look at everything Bret has ever said about Martha and her thoughts on the business/recognizing Owen's accomplishments/etc. She hates the WWE and does not want them to profit off Owen. She allowed a HOF induction and allowed him to be put in the legends of the ring games. |
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Post by Old School Collector on Feb 9, 2020 18:34:01 GMT -5
I disagree ... I believe that it would sell out in minutes for any retailer that offered it.
I’d guarantee you that an Owen Hart would out-sale any of the STORM figures to date.
Also, Martha doesn’t hate wrestling, it’s just that she doesn’t want anything at all to do with WWE. STORM, doesn’t have anything to do with WWE and could sign Martha to a contract to where it’s just between them... no WWE involvement whatsoever.
I’m curious to know if this has ever crossed STORM mind or even if it’s already been attempted, but shot down.
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Post by MKSavage on Feb 9, 2020 20:37:42 GMT -5
I'd buy it in a heart-beat, especially if it's his KOTR94 or SSL94 attire. I think he may sell really well mostly because you wouldn't be able to get another figure of his from anywhere else. There are still Hulk Hogan Jakks and Mattel figures out there, not to mention he could resign with Mattel for future figures. If STORM were to be able to release an Owen Hart figure it would most likely be the only place to purchase a figure of his. And, it has been shown that the STORM figures blend well with the Jakks and Mattel figures so I think a lot of people would jump at the opportunity to buy the figure. But, that's just my opinion.
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Post by HHH316 on Feb 9, 2020 21:20:04 GMT -5
I honestly think this would be a HUGE seller.
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Post by sm00th007 on Feb 10, 2020 0:07:25 GMT -5
Probably not profitable enough. While there may be many collectors that want Owen, not many will pay that much for Owen... My gut feeling, as I was for many years as a business development manager (Sales) That Martha probably has had Storm, Super7, insert company name, call her or setup a face to face meeting about this opportunity. If they havn't, I think they are sitting on a gold mine that could do very well for the "Collectors" in this genre. Will it do better than outselling Liger recent releases from Storm collectible? Yes, I believe there are more American's/Canadian's that are aware of Owen than knowing or interested in Liger, or who Liger is or what his legacy was to the wrestling industry. I also believe there would be a lot of Japanese collectors that would buy an Owen figure. If they made multiple versions of Owen, I would get them all. |
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Post by hbkjason on Feb 10, 2020 2:04:28 GMT -5
I legit could not think of another wrestling figure that would be a bigger deal than a new Owen Hart. This thing would sell out in minutes!
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Post by master_fuji on Feb 10, 2020 4:46:06 GMT -5
I cant see how anyone could release a meaningful figure in Owen's likeness without WWE involvement.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2020 5:41:28 GMT -5
Couple of things people need to consider here: 1.) FTC contacted Martha, she said no. 2.) She went along with the HOF induction because it was spun to her more that it would be honoring Owen as an amateur wrestler, not a pro wrestler. 3.) She allowed Acclaim to put Owen in Legends of Wrestling 2 and 3 because they fought to keep him in WWF Attitude and included the tribute to Owen against the WWF's wishes because it delayed the game. 4.) Bret Hart has repeatedly tried to get her to allow Owen to be inducted into the Hall of Fame so that he can get the recognition he deserves, she repeatedly says no. 5.) She hates pro wrestling. Owen Hart was my favorite wrestler when I was a little kid and there's a ton of figures of him that I want made, but it's probably not happening for a long time. Storm is only going to license the absolute biggest names and while I'm sure someone will quote this and try to argue that Owen would sell more than Jyushin Liger (he won't), that Storm Liger was probably a combination of New Japan themselves approaching Storm and Storm being able to get the proper rights from the anime company. Owen Hart is a big name to a specific group of wrestling fans (myself included) and within that group there is a very small number willing to pay $60 for an action figure of him. Storm could stop making wrestling figures today and they'd be fine because they sell a mega ton of those Mortal Kombat and Street Fighter figures. People need to stop assuming that just because a company jumps into making wrestling figures, that they're going to make all of these guys that Mattel can't. Super7 are probably only going to make Andre and the current New Japan roster. Boss Fight are probably only going to do the lucha guys that Masked Republic has signed. Storm are probably only going to do Liger and Hogan. Jazwares are probably just gonna stick to whoever they have in the AEW Universe. IT sucks to say but we're probably not getting another Owen figure until Martha has passed and even then, if his kids are bitter enough towards wrestling for taking their dad (and really, they should be), it probably won't happen. Will it do better than outselling Liger recent releases from Storm collectible? Yes, I believe there are more American's/Canadian's that are aware of Owen than knowing or interested in Liger, or who Liger is or what his legacy was to the wrestling industry. I also believe there would be a lot of Japanese collectors that would buy an Owen figure. Liger is a much bigger star to western fans than you're giving him credit for. Owen wasn't a big star in Japan, I seriously doubt he'd sell to anyone outside of the US/Canadian collector market and even then, that's a real small number. Maybe if they did him as a limited edition, but again...they're not going to bother with someone who's not a real top name. I’d guarantee you that an Owen Hart would out-sale any of the STORM figures to date. Owen Hart isn't outselling Muhammad Ali, Mike Tyson or literally any of the video game figures that Storm has put out. This is an insane level of delusion that I've never even encountered in my life. |
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Post by Old School Collector on Feb 10, 2020 8:12:10 GMT -5
Couple of things people need to consider here: 1.) FTC contacted Martha, she said no. 2.) She went along with the HOF induction because it was spun to her more that it would be honoring Owen as an amateur wrestler, not a pro wrestler. 3.) She allowed Acclaim to put Owen in Legends of Wrestling 2 and 3 because they fought to keep him in WWF Attitude and included the tribute to Owen against the WWF's wishes because it delayed the game. 4.) Bret Hart has repeatedly tried to get her to allow Owen to be inducted into the Hall of Fame so that he can get the recognition he deserves, she repeatedly says no. 5.) She hates pro wrestling. Owen Hart was my favorite wrestler when I was a little kid and there's a ton of figures of him that I want made, but it's probably not happening for a long time. Storm is only going to license the absolute biggest names and while I'm sure someone will quote this and try to argue that Owen would sell more than Jyushin Liger (he won't), that Storm Liger was probably a combination of New Japan themselves approaching Storm and Storm being able to get the proper rights from the anime company. Owen Hart is a big name to a specific group of wrestling fans (myself included) and within that group there is a very small number willing to pay $60 for an action figure of him. Storm could stop making wrestling figures today and they'd be fine because they sell a mega ton of those Mortal Kombat and Street Fighter figures. People need to stop assuming that just because a company jumps into making wrestling figures, that they're going to make all of these guys that Mattel can't. Super7 are probably only going to make Andre and the current New Japan roster. Boss Fight are probably only going to do the lucha guys that Masked Republic has signed. Storm are probably only going to do Liger and Hogan. Jazwares are probably just gonna stick to whoever they have in the AEW Universe. IT sucks to say but we're probably not getting another Owen figure until Martha has passed and even then, if his kids are bitter enough towards wrestling for taking their dad (and really, they should be), it probably won't happen. Will it do better than outselling Liger recent releases from Storm collectible? Yes, I believe there are more American's/Canadian's that are aware of Owen than knowing or interested in Liger, or who Liger is or what his legacy was to the wrestling industry. I also believe there would be a lot of Japanese collectors that would buy an Owen figure. Liger is a much bigger star to western fans than you're giving him credit for. Owen wasn't a big star in Japan, I seriously doubt he'd sell to anyone outside of the US/Canadian collector market and even then, that's a real small number. Maybe if they did him as a limited edition, but again...they're not going to bother with someone who's not a real top name. I’d guarantee you that an Owen Hart would out-sale any of the STORM figures to date. Owen Hart isn't outselling Muhammad Ali, Mike Tyson or literally any of the video game figures that Storm has put out. This is an insane level of delusion that I've never even encountered in my life. Actually, yes Owen would outsell those 💯 |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2020 8:44:47 GMT -5
Actually, yes Owen would outsell those 💯 It must be wild to live that deep inside the wrestling bubble. |
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Post by LA Times on Feb 10, 2020 10:11:48 GMT -5
Couple of things people need to consider here: 1.) FTC contacted Martha, she said no. 2.) She went along with the HOF induction because it was spun to her more that it would be honoring Owen as an amateur wrestler, not a pro wrestler. 3.) She allowed Acclaim to put Owen in Legends of Wrestling 2 and 3 because they fought to keep him in WWF Attitude and included the tribute to Owen against the WWF's wishes because it delayed the game. 4.) Bret Hart has repeatedly tried to get her to allow Owen to be inducted into the Hall of Fame so that he can get the recognition he deserves, she repeatedly says no. 5.) She hates pro wrestling. Owen Hart was my favorite wrestler when I was a little kid and there's a ton of figures of him that I want made, but it's probably not happening for a long time. Storm is only going to license the absolute biggest names and while I'm sure someone will quote this and try to argue that Owen would sell more than Jyushin Liger (he won't), that Storm Liger was probably a combination of New Japan themselves approaching Storm and Storm being able to get the proper rights from the anime company. Owen Hart is a big name to a specific group of wrestling fans (myself included) and within that group there is a very small number willing to pay $60 for an action figure of him.Storm could stop making wrestling figures today and they'd be fine because they sell a mega ton of those Mortal Kombat and Street Fighter figures. People need to stop assuming that just because a company jumps into making wrestling figures, that they're going to make all of these guys that Mattel can't. Super7 are probably only going to make Andre and the current New Japan roster. Boss Fight are probably only going to do the lucha guys that Masked Republic has signed. Storm are probably only going to do Liger and Hogan. Jazwares are probably just gonna stick to whoever they have in the AEW Universe. IT sucks to say but we're probably not getting another Owen figure until Martha has passed and even then, if his kids are bitter enough towards wrestling for taking their dad (and really, they should be), it probably won't happen. Will it do better than outselling Liger recent releases from Storm collectible? Yes, I believe there are more American's/Canadian's that are aware of Owen than knowing or interested in Liger, or who Liger is or what his legacy was to the wrestling industry. I also believe there would be a lot of Japanese collectors that would buy an Owen figure. Liger is a much bigger star to western fans than you're giving him credit for. Owen wasn't a big star in Japan, I seriously doubt he'd sell to anyone outside of the US/Canadian collector market and even then, that's a real small number. Maybe if they did him as a limited edition, but again...they're not going to bother with someone who's not a real top name. I’d guarantee you that an Owen Hart would out-sale any of the STORM figures to date. Owen Hart isn't outselling Muhammad Ali, Mike Tyson or literally any of the video game figures that Storm has put out. This is an insane level of delusion that I've never even encountered in my life. Yeah, the same people who have been demanding an Owen Hart figure for years would balk at paying $60 for one. |
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