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Post by punksnotdead on Apr 5, 2020 21:31:44 GMT -5
honestly, im  ing done with Lesnar matches. its been 8 years of this crap. he's had a FEW good ones, but everything is basically the same formula - "spam finishers" "spam germans" "other guy kicks out a million times" "out of nowhere finish" like, it works once in awhile, but its been every ing match.....even in that triple threat with him/cena/rollins he was out half the time. i dont mind brock being around and being part time...but seriously can he just work a ing match for once with someone and not a finisher spam I’d argue it’s only really worked the first time he ragdolled Cena because we’d never seen it before. The rest of the time since it’s just felt lazy. We all know what kind of athlete Brock is and it’s pretty sh*tty we don’t get that from him every time out when we get him so infrequently. |
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Post by r44gz96 on Apr 5, 2020 21:32:51 GMT -5
The wristbands Cena wore when doing the Thuganomics bit say “ U can’t Stop Me”. Referencing the unstoppable Super Cena we’ve had for all these years, and it also references to The Fiend too cause you can’t stop the Fiend.
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Post by tylerbreezee on Apr 5, 2020 21:34:59 GMT -5
The wristbands Cena wore when doing the Thuganomics bit say “ U can’t Stop Me”. Referencing the unstoppable Super Cena we’ve had for all these years, and it also references to The Fiend too cause you can’t stop the Fiend. I mean, it was kinda obvious when he called him Superman lol |
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Post by marino13 on Apr 5, 2020 21:36:13 GMT -5
Okay, night two was fun too. Overall thoughts...
Wrestlemania should always be two nights. It just worked. Everything had time to breathe.
So glad to have Drew finally reach the top. I will admit, it wasn't as good or rewarding without the crowd. But I'd be lying if I said I wasn't still thrilled.
I really enjoyed Edge vs Orton. As someone said to me, it felt like a real fight.
Charlotte vs Rhea was good, but I don't like Charlotte winning here. I'm not surprised though.
I'm not sure if I liked the Firefly Fun House match. I need to rewatch it. The Graveyard match felt like a movie fight. This match did not, Cena seems too "in on the joke". But cool visuals.
I just did not care about the SD women's match.
Black vs Lashley was good enough. Right man won.
SP vs Garza/Theory was good. Glad to see Bianca. I think her with Montez as a heel duo could be crazy money.
If things aren't back to normal for awhile, don't have any more PPVS till afterwards. WM I understand, but the rest can wait.
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Post by McBlake on Apr 5, 2020 21:38:47 GMT -5
Far better Mania than it had any right to be. Well done to all involved, keeping me entertained this weekend when there's not a lot to smile about in the world 👏
That smile will be staying on my face all week with that ending too 🏴
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Post by voicesinmyhead on Apr 5, 2020 21:41:53 GMT -5
In what world is Heath a believable WWE champion? That has nothing to do with who was the best or worst of 3mb. Literally nothing. Also, in what world in grandpa undertaker beating up 3 dudes like the OC believable? Is not looking at it as who was entertaining in 3MB because 3MB sucked. All three sucked in it. I’m looking at it has who is the best that was unfortunately placed in that group and that’s be Drew. And don’t try to be annoying and say how wrestling in general is fake. Slater sucks and would never make for a good world champion. |
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Post by HHH316 on Apr 5, 2020 21:50:01 GMT -5
Better than I expected, but it in no way felt like a Wrestlemania. I am glad McIntyre won, but I wish he got the celebration he deserved.
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Post by BrIaNMeRcY on Apr 5, 2020 21:51:53 GMT -5
Given the hell the world is going through right now, WrestleMania offered a huge distraction both nights. I was one of the few who weren't critical of the WWE for going along with WrestleMania. Vince McMahon made the right move given the circumstance.
Since Rhea Ripley lost the title to Charlotte Flair, I can see Charlotte being used as a ratings booster. Meanwhile, Rhea Ripley gets called up to RAW and be the once to dethrone Becky Lynch.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2020 21:56:07 GMT -5
Huskus the pig boy and Fiend made me mark out. That was brilliance.
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Post by King Richius on Apr 5, 2020 22:00:01 GMT -5
I'm not sure if I liked the Firefly Fun House match. I need to rewatch it. The Graveyard match felt like a movie fight. This match did not, Cena seems too "in on the joke". But cool visuals. I'm in the exact opposite camp. I liked the Funhouse, daresay I loved it, and hated the Boneyard. The boneyard was presented as a somewhat real fight and came off B action/horror movie cheesy with the wrong guy "winning". Neither Taker or AJ benefitted from the outcome. It was the epitome of "same crap, different day". The Funhouse was never presented as much of a match. It was a mind f*** that I give Cena credit for being a willing participant in making. Thanks to some brilliant writing it ranged from funny & lighthearted to serious & introspective which I found extremely entertaining. And the right man "won". Both John and Bray benefitted from the outcome of the match. That's the difference between good writing that helps wrestler characters evolve and appeasing nostalgic fans who won't give up on a senior citizen who can't wrestle a match without getting hurt. |
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Post by rkmo: Everyone Else but Me on Apr 5, 2020 22:02:03 GMT -5
Just realized... no Raw after Wrestlemania 💔 They did tape footage for the Raw after Mania. They don't have much for after that, but rumor is they're looking for new venues. |
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Post by marino13 on Apr 5, 2020 22:05:15 GMT -5
I'm not sure if I liked the Firefly Fun House match. I need to rewatch it. The Graveyard match felt like a movie fight. This match did not, Cena seems too "in on the joke". But cool visuals. I'm in the exact opposite camp. I liked the Funhouse, daresay I loved it, and hated the Boneyard. The boneyard was presented as a somewhat real fight and came off B action/horror movie cheesy with the wrong guy "winning". Neither Taker or AJ benefitted from the outcome. It was the epitome of "same crap, different day". The Funhouse was never presented as much of a match. It was a mind f*** that I give Cena credit for being a willing participant in making. Thanks to some brilliant writing it ranged from funny & lighthearted to serious & introspective which I found extremely entertaining. And the right man "won". Both John and Bray benefitted from the outcome of the match. That's the difference between good writing that helps wrestler characters evolve and appeasing nostalgic fans who won't give up on a senior citizen who can't wrestle a match without getting hurt. I get that. I think I'll appreciate it more once I rewatch it. I just think it was so different than what I expected that it threw me off in the moment. |
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Post by rkmo: Everyone Else but Me on Apr 5, 2020 22:10:52 GMT -5
honestly, im ing done with Lesnar matches. its been 8 years of this crap. he's had a FEW good ones, but everything is basically the same formula - "spam finishers" "spam germans" "other guy kicks out a million times" "out of nowhere finish" like, it works once in awhile, but its been every ing match.....even in that triple threat with him/cena/rollins he was out half the time. i dont mind brock being around and being part time...but seriously can he just work a ing match for once with someone and not a finisher spam I’d argue it’s only really worked the first time he ragdolled Cena because we’d never seen it before. The rest of the time since it’s just felt lazy. We all know what kind of athlete Brock is and it’s pretty sh*tty we don’t get that from him every time out when we get him so infrequently. I wouldn't mind it as much if he had dominated more deserving people. What I wouldn't give to have had Taker-Ambrose and Brock-Shane at WM 32 lol |
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Post by cordless2016 on Apr 5, 2020 22:17:37 GMT -5
Since the inception of the two world titles in the WWE, I don’t think we’ve seen a mania with two worse world title matches than this one. Both were quick finisher fests and did Braun and Drew no favors. We’ve already seen matches where Roman kicked out of multiple F5s, so rather than think “man, Drew looks super strong,” I was too focused on how lazy Brock and WWE creative were. I’m not saying have them go 20 minutes, but Drew and Brock could have easily gone 10 to 15 minutes to make it feel like Drew can hang with Brock.
Loved Orton/Edge, Cena/Bray, the ladder match, Owens/Rollins, Bryan/Zayn, and Taker/Styles. Charlotte/Rhea was good but the wrong person won which killed it for me.
Overall considering the circumstances I think it was a solid effort by the WWE and actually more enjoyable than some recent manias. This event actually reminded me of WM21 with the strong undercard but weak world title matches, only the world title fights we got at this mania were far worse than the ones at WM21.
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Post by Kanenite on Apr 5, 2020 22:18:00 GMT -5
Overall, most of this Mania was pretty mediocre, but I did really enjoy 3 or 4 of the matches (mostly from Day 1).
Rollins/Owens really picked up towards the end. Owens diving off the big Mania sign was sick.
Taker/AJ was spectacular. I loved everything here. Good stuff. Easily the Match of the Show, even if it's "cheating" due to it's cinematic style.
Orton/Edge was good for the most part. It dragged on at some parts but they did enough stuff throughout the match I enjoyed, and it was nice to see a match go backstage for the first time in a while.
Ladder match was OK too I guess. Would've been nice to see all 6 guys but it's understandable this had to be done due to the Miz thing.
The rest was.... meh. Becky/Bazsler deserved much more time but instead felt like it was 5 mins, Sami/Bryan was a huge disappointment considering who was in the match; they really could've had more time and more structure, Cena/Wyatt was a joke and TOO left field, Braun/Goldberg and Drew/Lesnar had the right winners but both Goldberg and Lesnar have the most predictable, uninteresting, lazy matches and they carried that into this show (and at that in BOTH World title matches).
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Post by kennyw86v2 on Apr 5, 2020 22:38:37 GMT -5
That has nothing to do with who was the best or worst of 3mb. Literally nothing. Also, in what world in grandpa undertaker beating up 3 dudes like the OC believable? Is not looking at it as who was entertaining in 3MB because 3MB sucked. All three sucked in it. I’m looking at it has who is the best that was unfortunately placed in that group and that’s be Drew. And don’t try to be annoying and say how wrestling in general is fake. Slater sucks and would never make for a good world champion. You take wrestling too seriously. I cannot and will not continue a conversation with someone with the sole purpose of being argumentative. Drew blows. Thays my opinion. I'm allowed to have it. No amount of random, irrelevant heath Slater jabs is gonna change that. Hes euron greyjoy with long hair. I took great pleasure in eurons failure. I will in Drew's as well. Have a good night. Bye. |
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Post by Jim Cornette’s Wendy’s Order🍔 on Apr 5, 2020 22:54:59 GMT -5
Is not looking at it as who was entertaining in 3MB because 3MB sucked. All three sucked in it. I’m looking at it has who is the best that was unfortunately placed in that group and that’s be Drew. And don’t try to be annoying and say how wrestling in general is fake. Slater sucks and would never make for a good world champion. You take wrestling too seriously. I cannot and will not continue a conversation with someone with the sole purpose of being argumentative. Drew blows. Thays my opinion. I'm allowed to have it. No amount of random, irrelevant heath Slater jabs is gonna change that. Hes euron greyjoy with long hair. I took great pleasure in eurons failure. I will in Drew's as well. Have a good night. Bye. I mean, like you said you’re entitled to your opinion. Some opinions just suck 🤷🏻♂️ I’ll take Drew over Brock any day of the week as champion. At least he will be on the show each week when it returns to normal. |
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Post by drifter on Apr 5, 2020 22:56:50 GMT -5
Just realized... no Raw after Wrestlemania 💔 They did tape footage for the Raw after Mania. They don't have much for after that, but rumor is they're looking for new venues. I think he's meaning more, the whole thing, of the post Mania Raw, that's become the big deal every year, will not be. Honestly, I'm kinda happy about that. Once WWE really started acknowledging that Raw, it's been awful. It's a mix of WWE trying to mess with that post Mania crowd, and the crowd trying to hijack the show. It used to be something to look forward to every year, but now, I would find myself watching, and just wishing the crowd would stfu half the time. |
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Post by punksnotdead on Apr 5, 2020 23:04:41 GMT -5
I'm not sure if I liked the Firefly Fun House match. I need to rewatch it. The Graveyard match felt like a movie fight. This match did not, Cena seems too "in on the joke". But cool visuals. I'm in the exact opposite camp. I liked the Funhouse, daresay I loved it, and hated the Boneyard. The boneyard was presented as a somewhat real fight and came off B action/horror movie cheesy with the wrong guy "winning". Neither Taker or AJ benefitted from the outcome. It was the epitome of "same crap, different day". The Funhouse was never presented as much of a match. It was a mind f*** that I give Cena credit for being a willing participant in making. Thanks to some brilliant writing it ranged from funny & lighthearted to serious & introspective which I found extremely entertaining. And the right man "won". Both John and Bray benefitted from the outcome of the match. That's the difference between good writing that helps wrestler characters evolve and appeasing nostalgic fans who won't give up on a senior citizen who can't wrestle a match without getting hurt. Yes, this. Cena’s side of the story in particular worked insanely well for me. Just the deep dive into the dichotomy between his character and us, the audience, was spectacular. We loved the doctor of thuganomics and so he put that hat back on last year at Mania. We always wanted his heel turn, so he joins the NWO. He’s always had an identity crisis between what we want and what WWE needed him to be and Bray put that under a microscope. |
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Post by Denver Broncos Fan on Apr 5, 2020 23:26:28 GMT -5
The WWE did an amazing job with the Boneyard Match and the Firehouse stuff. They need to do more of these types of matches in the future. It especially covers up a lot of the weaknesses of older wrestlers like the Undertaker. They need to bring back Biker Taker. Works much better at this stage of his career.
The World Title matches were garbage. Imagine if main eventers like HHH and Shawn Michaels did nothing but pedigrees and superkicks during their matches back in 2003? People would have started a riot. But people have become so desensitized by this finisher-fest and highlight-reel move stuff that people won't think twice about it.
Lesnar/McIntyre certainly could have put on a good 10-minute match, but Lesnar doesn't give a damn. That's what happens when you enable Lesnar to the point that the WWE has. As far as Goldberg is concerned, there was really zero point in giving him the title if they're afraid to have him in actual matches. It's as if they really don't believe he can do more than the spear and jackhammer. It's also clear that they're afraid that he can't take more than a few moves a match for fear of physical injury.
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