Mclovin
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Post by Mclovin on Mar 10, 2020 16:54:05 GMT -5
Wrestling fans of the 80's, why was Hulk Hogan a bigger star than Randy Savage? I don't think it was by much but he was.
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Post by LA Times on Mar 10, 2020 17:18:15 GMT -5
This should be in the classic-wrestling board
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Post by HandsomeHollywood on Mar 10, 2020 21:00:49 GMT -5
Hogan was mostly more over than Savage. I think Hogan just had this quality about him that made him willing to do other things people aren't to stay on top.
For instance, I wouldn't have it in me to shadow and hound my boss all day to politick my way into staying on top.
A lot of Hogan's enemies seemed to want to do their talking in the ring. Savage, Bret, etc. Figured they could beat him by just being better. Hogan is a master schemer though. Only Shawn Michaels was ever able to make him look like a fool, and that's subjective.
Also, given today's WWE, I think Vince is and always has been on board with having mostly just one star to build around. For as much as I dislike Hogan, I must give him credit for somehow being endlessly appealing.
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Post by theafricandream on Mar 10, 2020 21:51:19 GMT -5
The 80s were such a different time. The audience generally did what the company wanted such as cheering the baby face and booing the heel. Since Hogan was the top babyface of the decade, he was always going to be more popular. If you’re asking why Savage wasn’t a bigger star outside of wrestling, heels back then lived the gimmick so the opportunities weren’t there for him. It isn’t like today where a top heel can do something dastardly on Raw and the show up at a children’s award show or something.
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on Mar 11, 2020 8:05:41 GMT -5
Wrestling fans of the 80's, why was Hulk Hogan a bigger star than Randy Savage? I don't think it was by much but he was. Hogan was Vince's masterpiece. In Hulk, Vince had the larger-than-life, Greek god look that was tailor-made for merchandise. Hulk was charismatic enough to cross over to mainstream TV shows, and he had the energy to electrify crowds all over the world. Was Savage a better athlete and in-ring performer? Yes, and it's not close. Savage was the better talent, but Vince made Hulk into a brand. That's why he Hogan was over in a way that few, if any, guys have ever been. |
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Mar 11, 2020 10:23:48 GMT -5
If the internet was huge in the 80s, and they had no competition and the weekly live shows like Raw and Smackdown, then Savage would have been the number 2 face, rivaling Hulk Hogan in popularity.
But because they didn't have to have brand splits then and run different live shows since everything was taped one night, Vince didn't have to worry about finding another Hogan yet, because Hogan was doing everything that needed to be done.
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Post by JokerFC on Mar 11, 2020 14:08:37 GMT -5
Wrestling fans of the 80's, why was Hulk Hogan a bigger star than Randy Savage? I don't think it was by much but he was. Hogan was Vince's masterpiece. In Hulk, Vince had the larger-than-life, Greek god look that was tailor-made for merchandise. Hulk was charismatic enough to cross over to mainstream TV shows, and he had the energy to electrify crowds all over the world. Was Savage a better athlete and in-ring performer? Yes, and it's not close. Savage was the better talent, but Vince made Hulk into a brand. That's why he Hogan was over in a way that few, if any, guys have ever been. Correct. Antivenom gets it!! Hogan was THE brand....even was Savage was turned babyface it was only so he could turn on Hogan and feud with him. Hogans appeal was seemingly limitless from 85-91. |
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Post by phantomdreamer on Mar 11, 2020 20:20:13 GMT -5
If the internet was huge in the 80s, and they had no competition and the weekly live shows like Raw and Smackdown, then Savage would have been the number 2 face, rivaling Hulk Hogan in popularity. You just described late 1987 to early 1989 WWF. Uh, Mega Powers? |
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Mar 11, 2020 22:18:32 GMT -5
If the internet was huge in the 80s, and they had no competition and the weekly live shows like Raw and Smackdown, then Savage would have been the number 2 face, rivaling Hulk Hogan in popularity. You just described late 1987 to early 1989 WWF. Uh, Mega Powers?
There were brand splits of Raw and Smackdown from 1987 - 1989?!?!?! Weirdness!!
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Post by warriorlynx on Mar 14, 2020 20:51:08 GMT -5
Hulk was by leaps and bounds everyone else in the 80s, that even Flair just couldn't get it even though he's the g.o.a.t, that can be said. Hogan was the man, he was at the right place at the right time and he connected with everyone in and out of the ring that's how good he was. He was a business man too, at the time probably the smartest in the business. He had the look, the charisma, the height, everything. In ring work wasn't what people in the US wanted to see, they wanted to see him triumph against all the odds, while he told the story in the ring and he was good at it. He fought everyone and anyone, he made guys like Terry Funk look good, and this strategy made him look so much better to the audience.
Randy however was just a natural heel and was so good at it made you believe it, it felt real it made you forget what wrestling was. He was also more high maintenance to Vince while Hulk was more of a partner to Vince.
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Post by JokerFC on Mar 15, 2020 8:21:05 GMT -5
Hulk was by leaps and bounds everyone else in the 80s, that even Flair just couldn't get it even though he's the g.o.a.t, that can be said. Hogan was the man, he was at the right place at the right time and he connected with everyone in and out of the ring that's how good he was. He was a business man too, at the time probably the smartest in the business. He had the look, the charisma, the height, everything. In ring work wasn't what people in the US wanted to see, they wanted to see him triumph against all the odds, while he told the story in the ring and he was good at it. He fought everyone and anyone, he made guys like Terry Funk look good, and this strategy made him look so much better to the audience. Randy however was just a natural heel and was so good at it made you believe it, it felt real it made you forget what wrestling was. He was also more high maintenance to Vince while Hulk was more of a partner to Vince. Lots & lots of folks forget that Savage was not an easy man to work with....fair play man. |
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Post by JimRiga on Mar 16, 2020 15:26:09 GMT -5
Hogan seemed a lot more kid friendly too. Savage didn't seem too approachable until his neon cowboy days.
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Post by warriorlynx on Mar 16, 2020 21:25:05 GMT -5
Hogan seemed a lot more kid friendly too. Savage didn't seem too approachable until his neon cowboy days. Good point kids looked up to Hulk as a hero, Savage too but not as much as Hulk. In many ways it's kind of like Cena and Punk in 2011. |
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Post by Mongo Bears on Mar 28, 2020 7:30:22 GMT -5
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Post by whydontyoutellme on Mar 28, 2020 11:37:29 GMT -5
Savage was much more talented but Hogan had more natural charisma. Hogan was getting over huge even before Vince got hold of him due to this factor. The size factor is also there, because it's easier to seem larger than life when you're larger than almost every other human around. Being there before Savage, and having all that investment already put into him, also gives Hogan a leg up in this comparison. Rocky III probably helped with mainstream notoriety too.
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Post by Mongo Bears on Mar 28, 2020 13:29:21 GMT -5
Rocky III probably helped with mainstream notoriety too. Probably?!? In a time when everyone was comparing Stallone and Schwarzenegger to see Hogan next to Stallone was shocking |
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Post by Mongo Bears on Mar 28, 2020 13:31:45 GMT -5
Savage couldn’t pick up Andre
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Post by DIESEL on Mar 28, 2020 14:02:55 GMT -5
Savage couldn’t pick up Andre this |
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Post by warriorlynx on Mar 28, 2020 14:34:37 GMT -5
Savage couldn’t pick up Andre this Hulk was already over years before he picked up Andre, it was just the climax of his 80s story |
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Post by DIESEL on Mar 28, 2020 14:58:01 GMT -5
Hulk was already over years before he picked up Andre, it was just the climax of his 80s story i know i was joking lol |
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