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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2020 9:48:42 GMT -5
I can’t stand the refs these days whispering in plain view to the wrestlers. I understand it’s a welfare check, they need more discrete ways of monitoring the athletes. Rod Zapata at the wwe is the absolute worst! Yes safety above all else, I get it. But they aren’t even trying to act impartial. The refs should just yell “do you want to quit?!” If they say yes or don’t answer end the match or investigate further. If they say no, let the match continue unfettered! Think Ken Shamrock during WM 13, especially at the end!
Does this bother anyone else?
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Post by FLUX '97 on Apr 23, 2020 10:51:10 GMT -5
No, because the last referee that actually mattered was Earl Hebner, and that's only because he was given storylines to be a constant foil to Triple H.
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Post by k5 on Apr 23, 2020 10:57:58 GMT -5
it is a bit strange to see the ref constantly bothering someone who just took a massive bump, but it does make some sense - for example in ufc, their refs are constantly asking the fighters if they’re okay.
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Post by Yambag Jones on Apr 23, 2020 11:37:57 GMT -5
I'm ok with them checking in on the talent. It gives it a realistic sports feel.
I don't like how the refs are over dramatic in NXT. I don't know if WWE does that as a whole though.
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Post by marino13 on Apr 23, 2020 11:44:23 GMT -5
Not in the slightest.
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Apr 23, 2020 12:53:50 GMT -5
If the referee is doing his or her job right, you shouldn't even noticed said referee in the ring.
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Post by k5 on Apr 23, 2020 13:04:56 GMT -5
If the referee is doing his or her job right, you shouldn't even noticed said referee in the ring. making John Cena THE BEST referee that never was
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Post by ~ Cymru ~ on Apr 23, 2020 13:22:27 GMT -5
it is a bit strange to see the ref constantly bothering someone who just took a massive bump, but it does make some sense - for example in ufc, their refs are constantly asking the fighters if they’re okay. I feel like sometimes they rush in straight after the bump and it's like hey give the guy time to sell the bump before asking if he can continue, the guy always says yes he can continue which takes away from the spot. It does add realism though, just give it a minute before crowding the poor guy.
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Post by JC Motors on Apr 23, 2020 14:35:38 GMT -5
RybackV1 Your buddy Rod Zapata is being mentioned
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Post by jking1979 on Apr 23, 2020 15:57:32 GMT -5
Tommy Young was a great referee.
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Post by tylerbreezee on Apr 23, 2020 16:29:29 GMT -5
Bring back Brad Maddox
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2020 17:21:44 GMT -5
If the referee is doing his or her job right, you shouldn't even noticed said referee in the ring. 100%. The should be the first thing taught at Referee school.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2020 17:55:00 GMT -5
Why does it have to be whispered so closely though? Why can’t the ref just yell to the star who took the bump? If the star doesn’t give the ok sign then move forward with injury contingency plan? “Are you hurt?! Do you want to continue the match?! Do you yield?!” None of that breaks kayfabe and will get you the responses you need after a bump.
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Post by RuthlessFigs on Apr 23, 2020 21:45:50 GMT -5
You have to take into consideration the wrestlers themselves. A lot of wrestlers when asked if they can continue, will typically give the "Yes i can" even if they're seriously hurt. So part of the whole whisper down for them is to read their expression, check the eyes and hear how they respond, as well as the obvious hand squeeze to ultimately make the decision of if they're hurt or not. Simply yelling "Do you want to quit" would easily get lost as a worked response. Also taking into consideration the the noise of the arena and the crowd, yelling that could easily get lost in the noise, especially when the person who gave the move (Mainly when a heel does it) will work the crowd for heat after the move.
Other than the welfare check, they're also calling spots & giving time, which could screw up the flow of the match if done wrong.
People often underestimate the difficulty of being a ref, it's a fairly difficult job considering they're usually the one who has to be focused the most.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2020 5:31:53 GMT -5
You have to take into consideration the wrestlers themselves. A lot of wrestlers when asked if they can continue, will typically give the "Yes i can" even if they're seriously hurt. So part of the whole whisper down for them is to read their expression, check the eyes and hear how they respond, as well as the obvious hand squeeze to ultimately make the decision of if they're hurt or not. Simply yelling "Do you want to quit" would easily get lost as a worked response. Also taking into consideration the the noise of the arena and the crowd, yelling that could easily get lost in the noise, especially when the person who gave the move (Mainly when a heel does it) will work the crowd for heat after the move. Other than the welfare check, they're also calling spots & giving time, which could screw up the flow of the match if done wrong. People often underestimate the difficulty of being a ref, it's a fairly difficult job considering they're usually the one who has to be focused the most. Refs and wrestlers need to develop better signs. A UFC ref stops matches from standing back and taking in the whole scene, the totality of the circumstances. A ref burying his head into the neck crease of a wrestler will not provide the information they need to make a call. Fact of the matter is if you get a positive response let the match continue, of the wrestler says I’m seriously hurt or doesn’t give a response than call the match due to tko.(I know wwe doesn’t use but maybe should) These refs should be more like 3rd base coaches giving signs to the guy on second. If a wrestler is too stubborn to know when to quit than that’s on them not the ref.
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Post by FLUX '97 on Apr 24, 2020 5:40:24 GMT -5
You have to take into consideration the wrestlers themselves. A lot of wrestlers when asked if they can continue, will typically give the "Yes i can" even if they're seriously hurt. So part of the whole whisper down for them is to read their expression, check the eyes and hear how they respond, as well as the obvious hand squeeze to ultimately make the decision of if they're hurt or not. Simply yelling "Do you want to quit" would easily get lost as a worked response. Also taking into consideration the the noise of the arena and the crowd, yelling that could easily get lost in the noise, especially when the person who gave the move (Mainly when a heel does it) will work the crowd for heat after the move. Other than the welfare check, they're also calling spots & giving time, which could screw up the flow of the match if done wrong. People often underestimate the difficulty of being a ref, it's a fairly difficult job considering they're usually the one who has to be focused the most. Refs and wrestlers need to develop better signs. A UFC ref stops matches from standing back and taking in the whole scene, the totality of the circumstances. A ref burying his head into the neck crease of a wrestler will not provide the information they need to make a call. Fact of the matter is if you get a positive response let the match continue, of the wrestler says I’m seriously hurt or doesn’t give a response than call the match due to tko.(I know wwe doesn’t use but maybe should) These refs should be more like 3rd base coaches giving signs to the guy on second. If a wrestler is too stubborn to know when to quit than that’s on them not the ref. Yeah, it's a great idea for a ref to not bother to call for a doctor regardless of if someone's concussed to the point they think they're on ing Mars.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2020 6:40:38 GMT -5
Refs and wrestlers need to develop better signs. A UFC ref stops matches from standing back and taking in the whole scene, the totality of the circumstances. A ref burying his head into the neck crease of a wrestler will not provide the information they need to make a call. Fact of the matter is if you get a positive response let the match continue, of the wrestler says I’m seriously hurt or doesn’t give a response than call the match due to tko.(I know wwe doesn’t use but maybe should) These refs should be more like 3rd base coaches giving signs to the guy on second. If a wrestler is too stubborn to know when to quit than that’s on them not the ref. Yeah, it's a great idea for a ref to not bother to call for a doctor regardless of if someone's concussed to the point they think they're on ing Mars. Big Stig, head injuries are the ones that need to be assessed from a full POV not with your ear on their lips. A concussed star can say Im good and squeeze your finger. If a ref can't tell the star is on Mars then they belong reffing at Bellator. The Stubborness comes into play with bone or muscle injuries. I should have specified.
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Post by Edgehead on Apr 24, 2020 8:18:57 GMT -5
No, because the last referee that actually mattered was Earl Hebner, and that's only because he was given storylines to be a constant foil to Triple H. Put some respect on Lil' Naitch.
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Post by Mongo Bears on Apr 24, 2020 9:37:58 GMT -5
I supported Nick Patrick’s behavior.
Whatever happened to him?
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Post by ahunter8056 on Apr 24, 2020 13:28:11 GMT -5
This doesn't bother me at all; it has the opposite effect on me. Personally, I value the health and safety of the wrestlers above all else in the context of a wrestling match. So anything that's being done to protect a wrestlers's health gets a thumbs up from me. And like previously mentioned, the refs getting in close to check on the wrestlers allows them to check for telltale signs in the eyes/body response time, etc that they might not notice from the other side of the ring.
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