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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on May 6, 2020 1:11:18 GMT -5
All the talk about grand slam champions fails to comparison that "Big Daddy Cool" Diesel became a triple crown winner within the same year!! For 1994 was a very good year for Kevin Nash!
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Post by LK3 on May 12, 2020 17:18:29 GMT -5
Congratulations to Asuka on becoming the second female grand slam champion. She also becomes the first female to win the grand slam, Royal Rumble, and Money in the Bank.
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Post by wheeljack83 on May 12, 2020 21:09:38 GMT -5
Hi all, hopefully this is a topic that will be of some interest. I’m not sure if anyone else has watched Quizzlemania on YouTube the last several weeks, but on the show this week one of the games had a round where they had to name off all the grand slam winners. A wrong answer was given that sparked a little confusion to the players, as well as myself. Dolph Ziggler. Now during the game they dismissed it thinking that his tag title reign as Nicky, not “Dolph Ziggler”, was the reason he’s not recognized. However, it’s more than that. On the surface Dolph checks the boxes. Former world champion, former tag champion (as Nicky, or more recently with Drew McIntyre and Robert Roode), former IC champ, and former US champ. That seemingly checks all the boxes with the current formula to be a grand slam winner, but the issue is his world title reign. The current primary title qualifiers are the WWE Championship and Universal Championship, therefore the two World Heavyweight Championship reigns to his name do not count toward this recognition. I find that to be absolutely silly. A former World Champion isn’t a grand slam winner because he doesn’t meet the criteria of being world champion. Consider this. Ziggler was last world champion in 2013 after he cashed in MITB. That reign is more recent than the WWE Championship reigns for The Miz and Rey Mysterio who qualify for grand slam recognition because of said WWE Title reigns. Even sillier. I don’t see why the World Heavyweight Title should be discontinued from the equation because it’s defunct when there are active wrestlers who have held the title. Looking back at the title history, Chris Benoit also misses out on being a grand slam winner because of these rules. Thoughts? Also for fun, here are the current active WWE wrestlers who are one title win away from being a grand slam winner (don’t think I missed any but feel free to mention anyone if I did): -John Cena, needs IC Title -Kevin Owens, need a tag title -Drew McIntyre, needs US Title -Dolph Ziggler, needs WWE or Universal Title -Shelton Benjamin, needs WWE or Universal Title -Braun Strowman, needs US Title -Sheamus, needs IC Title -Undertaker, needs IC Title (would qualify under original format) That earlier criteria makes no sense IMO. In baseball, a Grand Slam is bases loaded and you get four runs or four points. Shawn Michaels became the first WWE Grand Slam champion when he won four titles: World, IC, European, and Tag Team. Keep in mind, WWE still had the junior heavyweight championship at the time as well. If it's four titles, then Drew McIntyre has had WWE World, NXT, IC, and Raw tag team. That's four right there. If it's all the titles possible, then McIntyre would also need a Smackdown tag title run too. Ziggler has held World Heavyweight, which lineage was folded into WWE Championship, IC, US, Raw tag team and World tag team. Ziggler's World title reign counts because his lineage was absorbed into WWE Championship when they unified those titles back in 2013. So Ziggler and McIntyre are already Grand Slam champions.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on May 12, 2020 21:49:54 GMT -5
Congratulations to Asuka on becoming the second female grand slam champion. She also becomes the first female to win the grand slam, Royal Rumble, and Money in the Bank. And yet people are always complaining that she’s buried.
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Post by 👑🇵🇭⭐️ on May 12, 2020 22:35:54 GMT -5
I don't count the NXT Championships as part of the WWE Grand Slam. I count them as part of the NXT Grand Slam.
I count Dolph Ziggler as a WWE Grand Slam Champion.
Sheamus, Drew McIntyre, Braun Strowman, and Kevin Owens will probably become WWE Grand Slam Champions before their respective careers are over. Sheamus could do it now. Drew McIntyre should have done it last night (I hate non-Title matches). Braun Strowman can do it next year. Kevin Owen's could wait for Samoa Joe and be the 2020 version of Austin and Rock, but the difference being KO and Joe win the Tag Team Championship Titles.
Shelton Benjamin, John Cena, Undertaker will probably never become WWE Grand Slam Champions, but never say never. Shelton Benjamin defeating Brock Lesnar for either Big W would have been a nice thank you for your services, Gold Standard. I'd like to see Undertaker vs. John Cena vs. the Intercontinental Champion in a Triple Threat Parking Garage Brawl at WWE HQ, with a Title change.
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Post by LK3 on May 13, 2020 4:12:27 GMT -5
Hi all, hopefully this is a topic that will be of some interest. I’m not sure if anyone else has watched Quizzlemania on YouTube the last several weeks, but on the show this week one of the games had a round where they had to name off all the grand slam winners. A wrong answer was given that sparked a little confusion to the players, as well as myself. Dolph Ziggler. Now during the game they dismissed it thinking that his tag title reign as Nicky, not “Dolph Ziggler”, was the reason he’s not recognized. However, it’s more than that. On the surface Dolph checks the boxes. Former world champion, former tag champion (as Nicky, or more recently with Drew McIntyre and Robert Roode), former IC champ, and former US champ. That seemingly checks all the boxes with the current formula to be a grand slam winner, but the issue is his world title reign. The current primary title qualifiers are the WWE Championship and Universal Championship, therefore the two World Heavyweight Championship reigns to his name do not count toward this recognition. I find that to be absolutely silly. A former World Champion isn’t a grand slam winner because he doesn’t meet the criteria of being world champion. Consider this. Ziggler was last world champion in 2013 after he cashed in MITB. That reign is more recent than the WWE Championship reigns for The Miz and Rey Mysterio who qualify for grand slam recognition because of said WWE Title reigns. Even sillier. I don’t see why the World Heavyweight Title should be discontinued from the equation because it’s defunct when there are active wrestlers who have held the title. Looking back at the title history, Chris Benoit also misses out on being a grand slam winner because of these rules. Thoughts? Also for fun, here are the current active WWE wrestlers who are one title win away from being a grand slam winner (don’t think I missed any but feel free to mention anyone if I did): -John Cena, needs IC Title -Kevin Owens, need a tag title -Drew McIntyre, needs US Title -Dolph Ziggler, needs WWE or Universal Title -Shelton Benjamin, needs WWE or Universal Title -Braun Strowman, needs US Title -Sheamus, needs IC Title -Undertaker, needs IC Title (would qualify under original format) That earlier criteria makes no sense IMO. In baseball, a Grand Slam is bases loaded and you get four runs or four points. Shawn Michaels became the first WWE Grand Slam champion when he won four titles: World, IC, European, and Tag Team. Keep in mind, WWE still had the junior heavyweight championship at the time as well. If it's four titles, then Drew McIntyre has had WWE World, NXT, IC, and Raw tag team. That's four right there. If it's all the titles possible, then McIntyre would also need a Smackdown tag title run too. Ziggler has held World Heavyweight, which lineage was folded into WWE Championship, IC, US, Raw tag team and World tag team. Ziggler's World title reign counts because his lineage was absorbed into WWE Championship when they unified those titles back in 2013. So Ziggler and McIntyre are already Grand Slam champions. The criteria is the criteria, so no neither Drew or Dolph are. I do agree that Dolph SHOULD be, but it is what it is. Drew, definitely not. But if you want to view them as such personally, that's your preference. One thing you said that is incorrect though, the World Heavyweight Championship lineage is NOT the same as the WWE Championship lineage. It was retired, it's done. Title lineage doesn't merge when they're retired.
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Post by wheeljack83 on May 13, 2020 10:09:19 GMT -5
That earlier criteria makes no sense IMO. In baseball, a Grand Slam is bases loaded and you get four runs or four points. Shawn Michaels became the first WWE Grand Slam champion when he won four titles: World, IC, European, and Tag Team. Keep in mind, WWE still had the junior heavyweight championship at the time as well. If it's four titles, then Drew McIntyre has had WWE World, NXT, IC, and Raw tag team. That's four right there. If it's all the titles possible, then McIntyre would also need a Smackdown tag title run too. Ziggler has held World Heavyweight, which lineage was folded into WWE Championship, IC, US, Raw tag team and World tag team. Ziggler's World title reign counts because his lineage was absorbed into WWE Championship when they unified those titles back in 2013. So Ziggler and McIntyre are already Grand Slam champions. The criteria is the criteria, so no neither Drew or Dolph are. I do agree that Dolph SHOULD be, but it is what it is. Drew, definitely not. But if you want to view them as such personally, that's your preference. One thing you said that is incorrect though, the World Heavyweight Championship lineage is NOT the same as the WWE Championship lineage. It was retired, it's done. Title lineage doesn't merge when they're retired. To me it's just splitting hairs. The big gold heavyweight championship was unified with the WWE championship. It was champion vs. champion to create one big designated champion. My point is that Drew would need more than the US title. He'd need the Smackdown tag titles as well. There are two sets of tag titles. Three if you count NXT. Four if you count NXT UK.
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Post by LK3 on May 13, 2020 15:49:56 GMT -5
The criteria is the criteria, so no neither Drew or Dolph are. I do agree that Dolph SHOULD be, but it is what it is. Drew, definitely not. But if you want to view them as such personally, that's your preference. One thing you said that is incorrect though, the World Heavyweight Championship lineage is NOT the same as the WWE Championship lineage. It was retired, it's done. Title lineage doesn't merge when they're retired. To me it's just splitting hairs. The big gold heavyweight championship was unified with the WWE championship. It was champion vs. champion to create one big designated champion. My point is that Drew would need more than the US title. He'd need the Smackdown tag titles as well. There are two sets of tag titles. Three if you count NXT. Four if you count NXT UK. Only one set of tag titles is needed between Raw and SD. So he has that covered.
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Post by wheeljack83 on May 13, 2020 19:03:48 GMT -5
To me it's just splitting hairs. The big gold heavyweight championship was unified with the WWE championship. It was champion vs. champion to create one big designated champion. My point is that Drew would need more than the US title. He'd need the Smackdown tag titles as well. There are two sets of tag titles. Three if you count NXT. Four if you count NXT UK. Only one set of tag titles is needed between Raw and SD. So he has that covered. Why just one? If just one, then he doesn't need US either.
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Post by LK3 on May 13, 2020 20:48:22 GMT -5
Only one set of tag titles is needed between Raw and SD. So he has that covered. Why just one? If just one, then he doesn't need US either. Look it up on Wikipedia to see the breakdown of criteria. EITHER the WWE or Universal Title (he has WWE), EITHER the Raw or SD tag title (he had Raw), must have IC Title (he did), and must have US Title (he has not). So he needs to win the US Title to become a grand slam winner.
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Post by McBlake on May 14, 2020 8:46:27 GMT -5
Drew is a triple crown winner as it stands. He still needs the US title to be a grand slam champion.
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Post by wheeljack83 on May 14, 2020 11:34:22 GMT -5
Why just one? If just one, then he doesn't need US either. Look it up on Wikipedia to see the breakdown of criteria. EITHER the WWE or Universal Title (he has WWE), EITHER the Raw or SD tag title (he had Raw), must have IC Title (he did), and must have US Title (he has not). So he needs to win the US Title to become a grand slam winner. Drew McIntyre is a Grand Slam Champion: WWE Championship NXT Championship Intercontinental Championship Raw Tag Team Championship You can't DISCOUNT the NXT championship for the men but count it for the women. If it doesn't count for the men, then it shouldn't count for Bayley and Asuka. Per wikipedia:
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Post by Cass on May 14, 2020 13:03:20 GMT -5
Somebody should try to be a Double Grand Slam Champion -At least 2/3 of WWE, World Heavyweight or Universal Championship -At least 2/3 of World, WWE/Raw and Smackdown Tag Team Championship -Both Intercontinental and US Championship You made me think about this and what I could come up with was .. Big Show Jeff Hardy Chris Jericho Randy Orton If you were to include the WCW US Title, while under WWE banner, Edge would also make the cut. Is there more? Edit: Add Daniel Bryan to the list.
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Post by LK3 on May 14, 2020 14:22:04 GMT -5
Look it up on Wikipedia to see the breakdown of criteria. EITHER the WWE or Universal Title (he has WWE), EITHER the Raw or SD tag title (he had Raw), must have IC Title (he did), and must have US Title (he has not). So he needs to win the US Title to become a grand slam winner. Drew McIntyre is a Grand Slam Champion: WWE Championship NXT Championship Intercontinental Championship Raw Tag Team Championship You can't DISCOUNT the NXT championship for the men but count it for the women. If it doesn't count for the men, then it shouldn't count for Bayley and Asuka. Per wikipedia: This isn’t made up, sir. It’s WWE’s criteria. The NXT Championship does not count for the men. It does for the women. You must take into account that the women only have a limited amount of titles, so without using NXT there would be no grand slam available.
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Post by wheeljack83 on May 14, 2020 16:34:28 GMT -5
Drew McIntyre is a Grand Slam Champion: WWE Championship NXT Championship Intercontinental Championship Raw Tag Team Championship You can't DISCOUNT the NXT championship for the men but count it for the women. If it doesn't count for the men, then it shouldn't count for Bayley and Asuka. Per wikipedia: This isn’t made up, sir. It’s WWE’s criteria. The NXT Championship does not count for the men. It does for the women. You must take into account that the women only have a limited amount of titles, so without using NXT there would be no grand slam available. Then it's a nonsensical criteria. And plenty of what WWE does is nonsensical. Like the fact that wrestling/wrestler is a taboo word when their initials stand for World Wrestling Entertainment.
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Post by LK3 on May 14, 2020 17:23:42 GMT -5
This isn’t made up, sir. It’s WWE’s criteria. The NXT Championship does not count for the men. It does for the women. You must take into account that the women only have a limited amount of titles, so without using NXT there would be no grand slam available. Then it's a nonsensical criteria. And plenty of what WWE does is nonsensical. Like the fact that wrestling/wrestler is a taboo word when their initials stand for World Wrestling Entertainment. I don’t have a problem with the set up, the idea is for 4 different types of titles, not just 4 different titles. But to the point of being nonsensical, that’s kind of why I made the thread, due to the World Heavyweight Championship not being applicable to the new criteria.
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Post by wheeljack83 on May 14, 2020 18:54:54 GMT -5
Then it's a nonsensical criteria. And plenty of what WWE does is nonsensical. Like the fact that wrestling/wrestler is a taboo word when their initials stand for World Wrestling Entertainment. I don’t have a problem with the set up, the idea is for 4 different types of titles, not just 4 different titles. But to the point of being nonsensical, that’s kind of why I made the thread, due to the World Heavyweight Championship not being applicable to the new criteria. I'm still counting Drew McIntyre.
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