Thunder Chunky
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Post by Thunder Chunky on May 16, 2020 4:49:43 GMT -5
I completely understand why Martha never wants to do business with the WWE again. They killed her husband. Owen would still be alive if not for Vince and Kevin Dunn's negligence.
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Post by Warriah' on May 16, 2020 5:48:07 GMT -5
oh how nice of her to make a  ing t-shirt in his honor. i know we dont know the entire story here, but out of ALL the great wrestlers who have passed away. most (if not all) of which who have had children and families, i dont think any of their widows or surviving family members have been as petty and childish as martha. you think Vickie Guerrero wasn't sad and angry that her husband died at 38 years old? (Owen was 34, btw)....yet here we are 15 years later with figures, merchandise, dvd's, etc. Nothing about Eddie's memory has been tarnished, in fact I'd argue it's kept it as strong as it has because we keep getting things like that. WWE barely mentions Owen anymore, they probably don't want to hear about it. Of course his death was tragic, sad, all those things. But he was a massive part of wrestling history, and at the very least the guy deserves to be represented by collectors all over the world...the same as almost everyone else has been. Look nobody wants Owen merch more than I do... And I'm not saying Martha has approached this the right way, because erasing Owen's legacy is unfair to Owen, his children, his brothers and the rest of his family, his friends in the business and his fans. But no other wrestler's death was entirely the fault of WWE putting them in a dangerous situation. Accident or not the fault of Owen's death lies entirely with the WWE. The Eddie comparison isn't accurate as Eddie's own actions resulted in the end of his life... It's a very difficult situation and I don't particularly blame Martha for how she feels towards the company that took her husband away from her. MAYBE it's a bridge someone like HHH can rebuild once Vince is out of the picture. |
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Post by FLUX '97 on May 16, 2020 6:25:50 GMT -5
Some of the people in this thread are ing ridiculous. I don't like that Owen's pretty much persona non grata as much as the next guy, but Martha Hart is in the right here. WWE was basically responsible for her husband's negligent homicide, they don't deserve to profit off his name with mass-produced overpriced action figures and shirts. |
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Post by cordless2016 on May 16, 2020 6:52:03 GMT -5
The TIJ podcast with Martha sheds a lot of light on the situation. Vince and the WWF/E made life miserable for her after she wanted accountability for Owen’s death (the company was even counter suing her at various points in their legal battles).
In the end she has every right to be upset with what happened. It was a careless stunt that never should have happened which resulted in the death of her husband. Vince showed little to no remorse for what happened (from what we’ve seen in the post press conference of the event and in later legal transcripts), so I don’t blame her for not wanting anything to do with the wrestling industry. As a collector, sure I’d love a figure of him, but me not having an Owen figure is NOTHING compared to what Martha and her children had and still go through.
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Post by CM Poor on May 16, 2020 6:58:38 GMT -5
The replies here started about as poorly as one could expect from the IWC, but took a sharp turn for the better. Nicely done, y'all.
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Post by FLUX '97 on May 16, 2020 7:06:07 GMT -5
The replies here started about as poorly as one could expect from the IWC, but took a sharp turn for the better. Nicely done, y'all. It's amazing what compassion and basic decency can do for a community. |
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Post by Jackass Pacific on May 16, 2020 8:09:16 GMT -5
The replies here started about as poorly as one could expect from the IWC, but took a sharp turn for the better. Nicely done, y'all. i think its kinda funny how one person pretty much got shut up right away |
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Post by wheeljack83 on May 16, 2020 8:23:55 GMT -5
oh how nice of her to make a ing t-shirt in his honor. i know we dont know the entire story here, but out of ALL the great wrestlers who have passed away. most (if not all) of which who have had children and families, i dont think any of their widows or surviving family members have been as petty and childish as martha. you think Vickie Guerrero wasn't sad and angry that her husband died at 38 years old? (Owen was 34, btw)....yet here we are 15 years later with figures, merchandise, dvd's, etc. Nothing about Eddie's memory has been tarnished, in fact I'd argue it's kept it as strong as it has because we keep getting things like that. WWE barely mentions Owen anymore, they probably don't want to hear about it. Of course his death was tragic, sad, all those things. But he was a massive part of wrestling history, and at the very least the guy deserves to be represented by collectors all over the world...the same as almost everyone else has been. I don't think there's anything petty or childish about it. |
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Post by wheeljack83 on May 16, 2020 8:25:43 GMT -5
I understand her feelings towards the situation but Martha really has gone out of her way to make wrestling and its fans completely forget about Owen and make him an afterthought. Shes put the WWE in a position where they cant/dont even want to mention him because they dont want to deal with the headache of having to deal with her. Shes single handedly put Owen in a category with Benoit & Snuka....and look what they're "in" for. Owen meant a lot to a lot of people both in and out of the wrestling industry and not letting his memory live on at least in some regard, regardless of what it is, is kinda selfish. Yeah she never did that and fans haven't forgotten about him. So that's absolute nonsense. |
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Post by GreyHaze:Big Bad Booty Daddy on May 16, 2020 8:44:01 GMT -5
I’m kind of on the same boat. She lost her husband and will never get him back. Why let a company profit from Owen when they were responsible? I’m pretty sure WWE did everything they could to cover their asses.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2020 9:15:37 GMT -5
People saying that Martha is being selfish because they want their precious action figure and want him to go to a meaningless hall of fame need to grow up.
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Post by Yambag Jones on May 16, 2020 9:21:28 GMT -5
oh how nice of her to make a ing t-shirt in his honor. i know we dont know the entire story here, but out of ALL the great wrestlers who have passed away. most (if not all) of which who have had children and families, i dont think any of their widows or surviving family members have been as petty and childish as martha. you think Vickie Guerrero wasn't sad and angry that her husband died at 38 years old? (Owen was 34, btw)....yet here we are 15 years later with figures, merchandise, dvd's, etc. Nothing about Eddie's memory has been tarnished, in fact I'd argue it's kept it as strong as it has because we keep getting things like that. WWE barely mentions Owen anymore, they probably don't want to hear about it. Of course his death was tragic, sad, all those things. But he was a massive part of wrestling history, and at the very least the guy deserves to be represented by collectors all over the world...the same as almost everyone else has been. Eddie's death wasn't really WWE's fault though. I'm not a grieving widow, so I'm not going to tell her how she needs to feel or react. |
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2020 9:30:32 GMT -5
I completely understand why Martha never wants to do business with the WWE again. They killed her husband. Owen would still be alive if not for Vince and Kevin Dunn's negligence. Don’t forget Vince Russo’s stupidity for writing it! |
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Post by The Real Chillary on May 16, 2020 9:38:52 GMT -5
Things like this honestly makes me hate Wrestling figure collectors. Villifying a woman for not wanting a company to profit off of her husband, who died at their hands.
And I can't believe someone compared the situation to Eddie and Vickie. I question what goes through some of your heads.
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Post by wheeljack83 on May 16, 2020 9:57:09 GMT -5
People saying that Martha is being selfish because they want their precious action figure and want him to go to a meaningless hall of fame need to grow up. It's despicable and disgusting. |
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Post by johnnyb on May 16, 2020 10:15:22 GMT -5
oh how nice of her to make a ing t-shirt in his honor. i know we dont know the entire story here, but out of ALL the great wrestlers who have passed away. most (if not all) of which who have had children and families, i dont think any of their widows or surviving family members have been as petty and childish as martha. you think Vickie Guerrero wasn't sad and angry that her husband died at 38 years old? (Owen was 34, btw)....yet here we are 15 years later with figures, merchandise, dvd's, etc. Nothing about Eddie's memory has been tarnished, in fact I'd argue it's kept it as strong as it has because we keep getting things like that. WWE barely mentions Owen anymore, they probably don't want to hear about it. Of course his death was tragic, sad, all those things. But he was a massive part of wrestling history, and at the very least the guy deserves to be represented by collectors all over the world...the same as almost everyone else has been. This is absolutely childish. Grow up. |
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2020 10:21:31 GMT -5
If he can, maybe Chip locks this for all the flack he is getting for his comments.
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Post by Nivro™ on May 16, 2020 10:29:48 GMT -5
I understand her feelings towards the situation but Martha really has gone out of her way to make wrestling and its fans completely forget about Owen and make him an afterthought. Shes put the WWE in a position where they cant/dont even want to mention him because they dont want to deal with the headache of having to deal with her. Shes single handedly put Owen in a category with Benoit & Snuka....and look what they're "in" for. Owen meant a lot to a lot of people both in and out of the wrestling industry and not letting his memory live on at least in some regard, regardless of what it is, is kinda selfish. Yeah she never did that and fans haven't forgotten about him. So that's absolute nonsense. You're right. She hasnt. They post about him all the time on the website, he's got all kinds of merch. He's consistently mentioned on their social media pages for accomplishments & birthday just like other stars who've passed away.....Oh wait, no he's not. He's one of 3 names that are consistently ignored by the WWE in the public eye....the other two being *gasp* Benoit & Snuka. And yes, new/current fans have very little knowledge/exposure to Owen Hart because he's not promoted like other legends living or passed. Eddie Guerrero, while circumstances are different, is widely praised & loved by younger/newer fans because WWE has constantly put him in a spot light. Most of the next generation of wrestling fans dont know anything Owen did outside of a Wrestlemania match with Bret or while in a faction with Bret. Even Bret himself has gone on record as saying Martha has done what she could to make Owen's wrestling career an afterthought, which she had to fire back with saying she had the Owen Hart Foundation for his legacy which literally all of about 500 people have even heard of. Id love a figure of him but its bigger then that. Owen was one of the best workers world wide and has an amazing wrestling legacy and it gets no recognition. People are starting to thumb their chest about "Oh shes willing to work in wrestling not just WWE, look at Darkside"...if you think this isnt going to be a full on Martha crapting all over WWE for an hour fest, you're nuts. The only time she gets involved with wrestling is to blast it and its fans. She refuses to even accept numerous other Hall of Fame inductions for Owen. |
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Post by LA Times on May 16, 2020 10:43:40 GMT -5
Things like this honestly makes me hate Wrestling figure collectors. Villifying a woman for not wanting a company to profit off of her husband, who died at their hands.
And I can't believe someone compared the situation to Eddie and Vickie. I question what goes through some of your heads. One of the worst threads about this was a few years ago when somebody wanted to know how old Martha Hart is and how long does she have to live so Owen's kids can finally give the rights to get a figure made after she dies. |
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Post by marino13 on May 16, 2020 11:04:44 GMT -5
Okay guys, as expected, I'm gonna lock this rather than watching everyone attack Chip.
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I dont know good luck 
