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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Jul 20, 2020 20:23:19 GMT -5
All the charts and statistics are great, however, they are lackluster as a tag team. I'd much rather see them working as singles. To each their own, I guess. I think they're tag team of the year and it's not even close. Riddle/Dunne had a legit shot, pre-Covid. I wish they were solo acts, but they're telling a long term story where the payoff will be huge. AND they're having great matches along the way. Despite being the champions I wouldn't really call them a tag team. They wrestle more single matches that they do as a team. They are more like allies. With Omega possibly turning heel, we might see them lose the belts and go their separate ways. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2020 22:25:57 GMT -5
It's only been barely almost a year...
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Post by Yambag Jones on Jul 21, 2020 8:04:37 GMT -5
To each their own, I guess. I think they're tag team of the year and it's not even close. Riddle/Dunne had a legit shot, pre-Covid. I wish they were solo acts, but they're telling a long term story where the payoff will be huge. AND they're having great matches along the way. Despite being the champions I wouldn't really call them a tag team. They wrestle more single matches that they do as a team. They are more like allies. With Omega possibly turning heel, we might see them lose the belts and go their separate ways. Looking at the story they’re telling, they’re more of a forced tag team by a persistent Omega to keep Page in the Elite than they are allies. They have the straps and they primarily work as a team. |
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Post by Ohtimate Wahriah on Jul 22, 2020 18:48:37 GMT -5
The biggest thing AEW will change is giving wrestlers a spine. Vince can no longer treat them like it’s my way or the highway because they have solid alternative now. You have so many guys telling WWE, nah, no thanks...and turning down big money to go elsewhere.
This is the biggest thing a company like AEW can offer in the industry. Can’t really judge right now because everything is crazy, but giving guys alternatives to work someplace else on tv will put more power in the hands of the wrestlers where for the last 20 years, they’ve had no choice but to like it or leave it
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Post by Yambag Jones on Jul 22, 2020 18:57:09 GMT -5
The biggest thing AEW will change is giving wrestlers a spine. Vince can no longer treat them like it’s my way or the highway because they have solid alternative now. You have so many guys telling WWE, nah, no thanks...and turning down big money to go elsewhere. This is the biggest thing a company like AEW can offer in the industry. Can really judge right now because everything is crazy, but giving guys alternatives to work someplace else on tv will put more power in the hands of the wrestlers where for the last 20 years, they’ve had no choice but to like it or leave it I think too many have WWE brain rot and think that some things AEW does differently are bad. |
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Post by Ohtimate Wahriah on Jul 22, 2020 19:01:16 GMT -5
The biggest thing AEW will change is giving wrestlers a spine. Vince can no longer treat them like it’s my way or the highway because they have solid alternative now. You have so many guys telling WWE, nah, no thanks...and turning down big money to go elsewhere. This is the biggest thing a company like AEW can offer in the industry. Can really judge right now because everything is crazy, but giving guys alternatives to work someplace else on tv will put more power in the hands of the wrestlers where for the last 20 years, they’ve had no choice but to like it or leave it I think too many have WWE brain rot and think that some things AEW does differently are bad. Absolutely! I mean, it’s a weird thing but you can technically have been a wrestling fan for 20 years and only know 1 product. People can be a fan of pro wrestling but not know anything other than how WWE does things. Luckily I grew up with WWF WCW and ECW along with watching TNA and ROH and everything else along the way. But I get it, a lot of people dont realize theirs a distinction between presenting a wrestling product and WWE’s presentation |
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Post by Controversial Maverick PUNK on Jul 25, 2020 3:46:39 GMT -5
All they're trying to do, is recreate the Attitude Era from the looks of it.
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Post by K5 on Jul 25, 2020 8:46:51 GMT -5
All they're trying to do, is recreate the Attitude Era from the looks of it. totally. all I see is storylines based on Jerry Springer antics, girls flashing their bodies and being used as sex objects, and endless profanity ridden promos. |
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Post by stc13 on Jul 25, 2020 9:02:08 GMT -5
All they're trying to do, is recreate the Attitude Era from the looks of it. totally. all I see is storylines based on Jerry Springer antics, girls flashing their bodies and being used as sex objects, and endless profanity ridden promos. Well, Chuckie T might say the S-word some day. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2020 9:04:01 GMT -5
totally. all I see is storylines based on Jerry Springer antics, girls flashing their bodies and being used as sex objects, and endless profanity ridden promos. Well, Chuckie T might say the S-word some day. This was my first thought too. Then for some reason it reminded me of Lil Dicky song Freaky Friday where he turns into Chris Brown and realizes he can finally say the 'n' word. Then an entire parody verse of Chuckie T turning into Jericho just popped into my head. |
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Post by UCWCustoms on Jul 26, 2020 9:32:45 GMT -5
As someone who has lost passion for watching wrestling especially the last 10 years - while there's a lot of things I hope AEW work on I truly can buy into the show and enjoy it, I have probably watched what I can count on two hands shows from WWE since 2015 or since it went PG, it doesn't really give me any desire to watch.
Which is sad as a diehard from 98-til 06/07, I am not going to say its necessarily a superior product to WWE - nor will it "change the industry" or "kill WWE" (only thing that will kill the WWE is its own success/collapsing on itself), but it certainly has motivated me to watch again and start collecting again in the last year/have passion back for the industry - and for me if it can do that then that's a good thing.
The storylines can use some work; the use of some talent can definitely, but its easy to forget the company has only been around for a year, for them to be where they are I think they have done very well.
If for nothing else I loved having a Heel Chris Jericho as a world champion again - can't care less how old he is, for the entertainment of his promos alone it was great.
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Post by Yambag Jones on Jul 26, 2020 17:20:43 GMT -5
All they're trying to do, is recreate the Attitude Era from the looks of it. 🤓 |
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Post by stc13 on Jul 26, 2020 17:42:44 GMT -5
As someone who has lost passion for watching wrestling especially the last 10 years - while there's a lot of things I hope AEW work on I truly can buy into the show and enjoy it, I have probably watched what I can count on two hands shows from WWE since 2015 or since it went PG, it doesn't really give me any desire to watch. Which is sad as a diehard from 98-til 06/07, I am not going to say its necessarily a superior product to WWE - nor will it "change the industry" or "kill WWE" (only thing that will kill the WWE is its own success/collapsing on itself), but it certainly has motivated me to watch again and start collecting again in the last year/have passion back for the industry - and for me if it can do that then that's a good thing. The storylines can use some work; the use of some talent can definitely, but its easy to forget the company has only been around for a year, for them to be where they are I think they have done very well. If for nothing else I loved having a Heel Chris Jericho as a world champion again - can't care less how old he is, for the entertainment of his promos alone it was great. I can totally relate. I stopped watching cold turkey around 2002, and turned on WWE in 2014 and didn't recognize what I saw. It was so sterile and paint by numbers, with enough camera cuts to induce seizures. But I found a whole world (literally) of wrestling out there that I could explore. I felt like Goldilocks, trying out different products to see what I liked. There is plenty of room for growth, but this is also a product that had basically 4 full months of TV before the pandemic hit. Twenty years of WWE-produced docu-series have everybody convinced that everything has to be a "war." But simply offering a different presentation of wrestling, with high level production, and on a major network is plenty enough for me. AEW has been doing their thing, and doing it well. |
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Post by Evil Abed on Jul 27, 2020 0:58:32 GMT -5
I think that wrestling as a whole has suffered from the pandemic. I don’t think any of the existing wrestling promotions have been doing well because of it so ill try to keep that in mind when I give my two cents because while I didn’t read the entirety of the OP I too have been severely underwhelmed by AEW as a whole.
Really the biggest issue I have thus far has been the writing/booking. My biggest gripe is that they are ABSOLUTELY FLYING through feuds. You look at money making opportunities like Cody/MJF, Cody/Archer, Jericho/Moxley, Jericho/Omega, Moxley/Omega, and they’re over after one big show. A feud like MJF/Cody could have gone on for months and really established MJF. Although he beats Cody, so Cody gets no revenge on MJF for never being able to fight for the world title (which you would think he’d be more upset about) and then goes to on to fight Jungle Boy. Which while a fun match, doesn’t really do much to continue establishment.
Also to me it seems like Cody/Omega/Bucks are trying way too hard to go out of their way to show that they are not putting themselves over just because they can due to their positions in the company. However these are supposed to be 4 of your biggest stars and I cant really recall them winning much of anything important so far since AEW began.
On a side note I never really saw what the big deal with the Young Bucks was. I cant stand hearing JR continue to rave over “The Greatest Tag Team in Wrestling” when I don’t really see anything other than a few spot monkeys. Which is bad enough for me when done properly, but most (if not all) matches I’ve seen of theirs while in AEW have been botched spots one after another.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2020 10:36:34 GMT -5
I think that wrestling as a whole has suffered from the pandemic. I don’t think any of the existing wrestling promotions have been doing well because of it so ill try to keep that in mind when I give my two cents because while I didn’t read the entirety of the OP I too have been severely underwhelmed by AEW as a whole. Really the biggest issue I have thus far has been the writing/booking. My biggest gripe is that they are ABSOLUTELY FLYING through feuds. You look at money making opportunities like Cody/MJF, Cody/Archer, Jericho/Moxley, Jericho/Omega, Moxley/Omega, and they’re over after one big show. A feud like MJF/Cody could have gone on for months and really established MJF. Although he beats Cody, so Cody gets no revenge on MJF for never being able to fight for the world title (which you would think he’d be more upset about) and then goes to on to fight Jungle Boy. Which while a fun match, doesn’t really do much to continue establishment. Also to me it seems like Cody/Omega/Bucks are trying way too hard to go out of their way to show that they are not putting themselves over just because they can due to their positions in the company. However these are supposed to be 4 of your biggest stars and I cant really recall them winning much of anything important so far since AEW began.On a side note I never really saw what the big deal with the Young Bucks was. I cant stand hearing JR continue to rave over “The Greatest Tag Team in Wrestling” when I don’t really see anything other than a few spot monkeys. Which is bad enough for me when done properly, but most (if not all) matches I’ve seen of theirs while in AEW have been botched spots one after another. Uhhhhhhh.... Cody is the TNT champion, and Omega is one half of the tag team champions... Anyways, I'm obviously not sure what you watch for wrestling regularly, but this post reads like you only really watch WWE. If that's accurate, then it explains a lot. AEW books very differently from WWE. They book a lot closer to a company like New Japan does. The booking is very long term, and far more focused on character arcs and championships than specific feuds. I'd put good money that basically none of the feuds you've mentioned are gone forever. Ultimately, I think this is a company where you need to actually be paying relatively close attention if you want to catch all the subtle things they do. Can you shut your brain off and just watch mindlessly? (Much like I do with the main roster PPV's lol) Sure, but you're gonna miss a ton of stuff. If that's not what you're looking for in a wrestling program that's totally fine, it is what it is. |
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Post by snowjorden on Jul 27, 2020 12:59:54 GMT -5
Ultimately, I think this is a company where you need to actually be paying relatively close attention if you want to catch all the subtle things they do. Can you shut your brain off and just watch mindlessly? (Much like I do with the main roster PPV's lol) Sure, but you're gonna miss a ton of stuff. If that's not what you're looking for in a wrestling program that's totally fine, it is what it is. This is why even when AEW does things I dislike, I stay interested. Be it, Dark or BTE, even Sammy VLog or Shidas, hell.. Twitter posts... Even as far as looking closely in videos at things written on signs, boards, etc. I love the sloooow, long term stories. I'm not sold that there's a SINGLE feud done yet. I expect more Mox vs Omega, at some point. Both Spears & MJF definitely still hate Cody. Jericho is sidetracked, but make no mistake, he's out for Omega, Cody & Mox, still. We've seen round one, act one, of all this. Can't wait for the 2nd & 3rd and beyond, parts of these stories. |
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Post by Evil Abed on Jul 27, 2020 14:15:20 GMT -5
I think that wrestling as a whole has suffered from the pandemic. I don’t think any of the existing wrestling promotions have been doing well because of it so ill try to keep that in mind when I give my two cents because while I didn’t read the entirety of the OP I too have been severely underwhelmed by AEW as a whole. Really the biggest issue I have thus far has been the writing/booking. My biggest gripe is that they are ABSOLUTELY FLYING through feuds. You look at money making opportunities like Cody/MJF, Cody/Archer, Jericho/Moxley, Jericho/Omega, Moxley/Omega, and they’re over after one big show. A feud like MJF/Cody could have gone on for months and really established MJF. Although he beats Cody, so Cody gets no revenge on MJF for never being able to fight for the world title (which you would think he’d be more upset about) and then goes to on to fight Jungle Boy. Which while a fun match, doesn’t really do much to continue establishment. Also to me it seems like Cody/Omega/Bucks are trying way too hard to go out of their way to show that they are not putting themselves over just because they can due to their positions in the company. However these are supposed to be 4 of your biggest stars and I cant really recall them winning much of anything important so far since AEW began.On a side note I never really saw what the big deal with the Young Bucks was. I cant stand hearing JR continue to rave over “The Greatest Tag Team in Wrestling” when I don’t really see anything other than a few spot monkeys. Which is bad enough for me when done properly, but most (if not all) matches I’ve seen of theirs while in AEW have been botched spots one after another. Uhhhhhhh.... Cody is the TNT champion, and Omega is one half of the tag team champions... Anyways, I'm obviously not sure what you watch for wrestling regularly, but this post reads like you only really watch WWE. If that's accurate, then it explains a lot. AEW books very differently from WWE. They book a lot closer to a company like New Japan does. The booking is very long term, and far more focused on character arcs and championships than specific feuds. I'd put good money that basically none of the feuds you've mentioned are gone forever. Ultimately, I think this is a company where you need to actually be paying relatively close attention if you want to catch all the subtle things they do. Can you shut your brain off and just watch mindlessly? (Much like I do with the main roster PPV's lol) Sure, but you're gonna miss a ton of stuff. If that's not what you're looking for in a wrestling program that's totally fine, it is what it is. Ill be honest at the moment I don't watch any promotion to its full availability. Nothing has really drawn interest from me since before Covid and that goes for WWE as well. Do I watch more WWE than AEW, certainly. Im aware of Cody and Kennys status as champions. I still think the way they've been booked to this point has been kind of silly. I get that you need to build new stars but its hard for me to take anyone seriously as a main level guy when you're fighting Jon Moxley one week and then Marko Stunt the next (not saying this happened, just an example for how I portray their booking from what ive seen). Perhaps that's their intent that anyone can be on that level but it doesn't really do anything for me. I disagree with the long term booking comment. Yes they could easily bring those feuds back, I'm not saying that, but im saying it seems like every one of their feuds that I've seen has been a one main show feud. I can take anyone on the roster — Cody from Dustin to Bucks to Jericho to MJF to Archer. Kenny from Jericho to Lucha Bros to Cima to Pac to Moxley to Bucks to Inner Circle. Maybe its because I don't watch it religiously but from what I have seen the booking doesn't really make sense to me. |
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Post by Yambag Jones on Jul 27, 2020 14:20:19 GMT -5
Uhhhhhhh.... Cody is the TNT champion, and Omega is one half of the tag team champions... Anyways, I'm obviously not sure what you watch for wrestling regularly, but this post reads like you only really watch WWE. If that's accurate, then it explains a lot. AEW books very differently from WWE. They book a lot closer to a company like New Japan does. The booking is very long term, and far more focused on character arcs and championships than specific feuds. I'd put good money that basically none of the feuds you've mentioned are gone forever. Ultimately, I think this is a company where you need to actually be paying relatively close attention if you want to catch all the subtle things they do. Can you shut your brain off and just watch mindlessly? (Much like I do with the main roster PPV's lol) Sure, but you're gonna miss a ton of stuff. If that's not what you're looking for in a wrestling program that's totally fine, it is what it is. Ill be honest at the moment I don't watch any promotion to its full availability. Nothing has really drawn interest from me since before Covid and that goes for WWE as well. Do I watch more WWE than AEW, certainly. Im aware of Cody and Kennys status as champions. I still think the way they've been booked to this point has been kind of silly. I get that you need to build new stars but its hard for me to take anyone seriously as a main level guy when you're fighting Jon Moxley one week and then Marko Stunt the next (not saying this happened, just an example for how I portray their booking from what ive seen). Perhaps that's their intent that anyone can be on that level but it doesn't really do anything for me. I disagree with the long term booking comment. Yes they could easily bring those feuds back, I'm not saying that, but im saying it seems like every one of their feuds that I've seen has been a one main show feud. I can take anyone on the roster — Cody from Dustin to Bucks to Jericho to MJF to Archer. Kenny from Jericho to Lucha Bros to Cima to Pac to Moxley to Bucks to Inner Circle. Maybe its because I don't watch it religiously but from what I have seen the booking doesn't really make sense to me. I highly recommend going back and watching the last month or so of Dynamite episode. I'd be interested to see what your takes are once you've seen more on a consistent basis. |
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Post by Evil Abed on Jul 27, 2020 14:29:43 GMT -5
Ill be honest at the moment I don't watch any promotion to its full availability. Nothing has really drawn interest from me since before Covid and that goes for WWE as well. Do I watch more WWE than AEW, certainly. Im aware of Cody and Kennys status as champions. I still think the way they've been booked to this point has been kind of silly. I get that you need to build new stars but its hard for me to take anyone seriously as a main level guy when you're fighting Jon Moxley one week and then Marko Stunt the next (not saying this happened, just an example for how I portray their booking from what ive seen). Perhaps that's their intent that anyone can be on that level but it doesn't really do anything for me. I disagree with the long term booking comment. Yes they could easily bring those feuds back, I'm not saying that, but im saying it seems like every one of their feuds that I've seen has been a one main show feud. I can take anyone on the roster — Cody from Dustin to Bucks to Jericho to MJF to Archer. Kenny from Jericho to Lucha Bros to Cima to Pac to Moxley to Bucks to Inner Circle. Maybe its because I don't watch it religiously but from what I have seen the booking doesn't really make sense to me. I highly recommend going back and watching the last month or so of Dynamite episode. I'd be interested to see what your takes are once you've seen more on a consistent basis. Sure thing, replays are on B/R Right? |
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Post by Yambag Jones on Jul 27, 2020 14:32:29 GMT -5
I highly recommend going back and watching the last month or so of Dynamite episode. I'd be interested to see what your takes are once you've seen more on a consistent basis. Sure thing, replays are on B/R Right? Maybe....lol I'm pretty sure. I watch live and do re-watches on Hulu. |
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