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Post by Bandalero on Jun 8, 2020 8:01:57 GMT -5
Every now and then I read comments about a wrestler needing to adopt to the WWE style. I think I know what that is overall, but it may mean different things to different folks.
Quick Google search pops up a reddit definition: "WWE style will focus on a slower pace, fewer throws or big moves, and a lot of punchy-kicky. The idea is to make each move mean more. Not a lot of mat wrestling compared to other places, unless you have two technicians."
So we know it's a slower pace as opposed to a million tope suicidas. But is there more that wrestlers need to understand on how to succeed in this company?
Is it remembering to pander to the <12 year demographic? Is it understanding how to best leverage the hard cam? Is it maintaining a social media footprint? Is it memorizing promo scripts?
How do indy legends like DB, Styles and Cole make it in WWE after decades wrestling elsewhere while others like Zayne or Joe end up lukewarm or failing like Aries did?
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Post by LA Times on Jun 8, 2020 8:30:17 GMT -5
The miz is the best example of a WWE safe style wrestler. He was one of the first wrestlers to start doing it when he was in developmental, has never been on the disabled list and looks to have 25 years of wrestling left in him.
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Post by hitmancmedge on Jun 8, 2020 8:56:49 GMT -5
It’s slower, everything is suppose to mean more, more of a focus on facials and letting the announcers tell a story. Less is more.
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Post by RuthlessFigs on Jun 8, 2020 9:18:17 GMT -5
The way i see it is pretty much everything you mentioned.
Some other things i can think of to add
Pacing - WWE has its own style of pacing you never really see anywhere else. I'd say that's mainly to cater to the 'WWE audience'. Obviously WWE Audiences are largely kids, families & 'casual' fans, people who wouldn't necessarily be able to keep up with the over the top, fast paced action & know everything that's going on. So the slower pace with a lot more rest spots & character development gives them more opportunity to take in what's happening and process it, telling the story a lot easier for them.
Hard Cam & Angles - Almost every wrestling show anywhere will have a hard cam, and you'll logically work to that cam more. Though with WWE, you have that & 1000 different angles to try and work for, as opposed to maybe 1 or 2 cameramen you'd see on an indie show. So i'd imagine you'd have to learn where they usually are, and how to sell for them during the match. Another thing with the Hard cam. I'm not sure if a lot of other companies do it, but in WWE the face will usually always be in the corner closest to the stage & the heel closest to the time keeper, at the start of the match & in tag team matches. I'd say this is so the viewer can see the face & see their expressions, where as the heel will have their backs to the hard cam.
Promos - Memorising promos would be another thing. You're following 'the script' in WWE, rather than going out there and winging it. Obviously few guys get freedom on the mic, but they're mainly the ones who have proven they can go out there and cut a good promo without fault. WWE is big on production, so they wouldn't want everyone going out there and trying to cut promos off the top of their head, with some not knowing what to say, then making themselves look stupid on live TV. They'd rather you have that script which you can likely remember and go off, so you've at least got something to go out there and say.
Social Media - More now than ever, they've got to learn how to manage themselves on social media. How to act, what they can & can't say including the banned words list, how to promote what they're doing etc... A lot of people still keep some level of kayfabe on social media, one example: Dexter Lumis, he posts a lot of every day stuff, but he still shows his character in them.
Some people take to the style change well, and others don't. Some need development and some (in Styles' case) don't. I guess that just comes down to how well they can work with specific guidelines, or a lot of freedom. In Zayn & Joe's case, i'd say they've adapted perfectly fine, but injuries & perception of them are the only things holding them down.
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Post by Deep Figure Value on Jun 8, 2020 9:20:43 GMT -5
Every now and then I read comments about a wrestler needing to adopt to the WWE style. I think I know what that is overall, but it may mean different things to different folks. Quick Google search pops up a reddit definition: "WWE style will focus on a slower pace, fewer throws or big moves, and a lot of punchy-kicky. The idea is to make each move mean more. Not a lot of mat wrestling compared to other places, unless you have two technicians." So we know it's a slower pace as opposed to a million tope suicidas. But is there more that wrestlers need to understand on how to succeed in this company? Is it remembering to pander to the <12 year demographic? Is it understanding how to best leverage the hard cam? Is it maintaining a social media footprint? Is it memorizing promo scripts?How do indy legends like DB, Styles and Cole make it in WWE after decades wrestling elsewhere while others like Zayne or Joe end up lukewarm or failing like Aries did? I interpret it to be most of those things, and then some. WWE is a machine with a number of moving parts that make it work, for better or for worse. Every last thing that comes across in production happens on purpose. I actually find it sort of fascinating.
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Post by kinnikuman on Jun 8, 2020 9:32:32 GMT -5
Shorter matches, entertain, follow the writer's story, your "finisher" is your most powerful move, play to the crowd, big usually beats small, you have to have "the look", get in get out so the next match can happen, you're on TV not in a bingo hall.
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Post by marino13 on Jun 8, 2020 9:44:16 GMT -5
No intentionally dumping people on their heads/necks.
Look for the cameras.
Don't hit 50 big moves in the first 3 minutes.
Save the flashier stuff for the bigger shows.
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Post by rkmo: Garbage Collector on Jun 8, 2020 10:19:36 GMT -5
Whatever Vince wants it to be.
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Post by Valbroski on Jun 8, 2020 11:18:37 GMT -5
It seems character appeal and acting/promo ability are prioritized over wrestling ability.
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Post by K5 on Jun 8, 2020 11:31:37 GMT -5
the ‘wwe style’ is largely aged out now due to the work rate revolution that occurred in the mid 2000s, early 2010s. hence the rise of punk and Bryan and immediately after them more indie talents finding success.
talents like Mr Kennedy, even Cody Rhodes when he first started, Carlito, Chris Masters, Trever Murdoch, Miz, generic dude in tights and a nice hair cut #1000, la resistance...
guys that looked great on a poster but were never gonna do a 450 splash and probably would be bad at taking one, too. guys that were decently athletic but were not the caliber of athlete that is the new standard in today’s wrestling.
that’s very summative on my end, but that’s the gist of it.
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Post by King Richius on Jun 8, 2020 11:36:22 GMT -5
As far as in ring performance goes, I interpret the "WWE style" to mean throw a punch instead of a suplex, a kick instead of a slam, etc. In other words, very generic, very safe (as long as you aren't working with Nia Jax), and very boring at times.
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Post by keegandimitrijevic01 on Jun 8, 2020 11:36:50 GMT -5
Storytelling, reading the crowd, not doing unnecessary acrobatics when unneeded
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Post by K5 on Jun 8, 2020 11:40:51 GMT -5
Storytelling, reading the crowd, not doing unnecessary acrobatics when unneeded funny, that’s what most older talents say is missing from the wwe now...you know, since they have to follow a completely scripted match...
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Post by bababooey on Jun 8, 2020 12:34:03 GMT -5
I always considered the WWE style to be more focused on the cameras and production. Like making sure you’re hitting your mark for a key shot, working facial expressions, talking more in the ring, giving the announcers more time for exposition, etc.
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Jun 8, 2020 12:51:59 GMT -5
For WWE style is knowing you get the best entertainment for your buck! For come on out to a WWE live event and see for yourself!
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Post by natepadberg on Jun 8, 2020 13:35:58 GMT -5
you guys are forgetting, work the left side of the body! LOL
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Jun 8, 2020 14:51:52 GMT -5
It’s about selling “moments.” Making everything mean something, and milking it. The Rock is one of the best ever examples of WWE style. Every punch, every bump, every reaction was on point. It’s stuff like:
-Undertaker’s sit up, Hulk Hogan Hulking Up -Big staredowns, pointing at the WrestleMania sign etc -Playing to the camera (televised events), playing to the back row (non-televised) -Big reactions - HHH when Mankind turned into Cactus Jack, Undertaker when HBK kicked out of tombstone, the People’s Eyebrow -People’s Elbow/WORM/5 Knuckle Shuffle/Caterpillar -Stone Cold passing out in the sharpshooter at WM13 -Daniel Bryan’s “YES” pointing -Shawn Michaels tuning up the band -Catchphrases -Trademark moves -Working safe so you and your opponent can stay healthy
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Post by davie™ on Jun 8, 2020 15:57:35 GMT -5
Always think of "Less is more". Not too many flashy moves unless on ppv or has a meaning. Also another thing is getting used to the "WWE style ropes" they tend to be more looser. Knowing how to pace your self in the 20x20 ring. Not many wrestlers are used to the ring size before they get to WWE.
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Post by BØRNS on Jun 9, 2020 3:54:10 GMT -5
Yeah I think of someone like Orton, who is great in the ring, but when you think about his matches, he doesn't really do much. Mainly punches, rest holds, clotheslines, stomps, dropkicks, DDTs, momentum scoop slams, maybe a superplex on PPV, and the RKO or punt. Most of these are super low risk, and aren't as physiologically demanding on the body compared to probably 90% of the roster in terms of lifting/straining/bumping. Guys like Bryan who fly around the ring, crashing on the mat with every move, destroying their bodies with outside dives, wearing their knees out, etc. just won't have the quality of life that safer and smarter guys in the ring will. I know Orton's had his share of injuries, but they've mainly been from complicated botches involving both people, and haven't been very serious. Orton knows how to act his way through the match, he's actually among the best at that. You can especially tell whenever he uses a chair or something.
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Post by Warriah' on Jun 9, 2020 9:09:55 GMT -5
Most of the things people are listing are totally absent from wwe's current programming...
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