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Post by taserface on Jul 27, 2020 16:29:04 GMT -5
I’ve been wondering this for awhile, but in all honestly what is in it for WWE to sign someone like Haku or Koko to a Legends deal? I know it’s not a lot of money but the fact is more people are always going to want the next Seth Rollins figure than Haku. I have always wondered the same thing What exactly does WWE get out of signing low and mid carders from the past?
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Post by Jim Cornette’s Wendy’s Order🍔 on Jul 27, 2020 16:30:28 GMT -5
It’s not a new headscan though?? It was released on a basic 47 Christian I know for sure. So it’s a re-release of all parts. If you wanted to you could make this figure right now with a head swap. I don't think it's the same. If it was, why would they show a render instead of a figure that could be that easily made? Because it’s not as simple as just showing the new figure even with the pre-existing parts. While this one is a rehash of available parts, it will still go into production the same as all other figures. By that logic, decade of domination Cena should have been able to be shown to us immediately instead of a render. This one is the BoPPV elite body, that basic Christian head, swappable hands, and the WHC. I presume it’ll have the cloth hit the switch shirt hopefully as it’ll be the only “new” piece included. I guess this head having the trueFX night make it be considered a new part, but the sculpt has already been previously used.
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Post by omartheterror on Jul 27, 2020 16:35:24 GMT -5
I’ve been wondering this for awhile, but in all honestly what is in it for WWE to sign someone like Haku or Koko to a Legends deal? I know it’s not a lot of money but the fact is more people are always going to want the next Seth Rollins figure than Haku. Its more than just figures. Go to WWE Shop and see everything they sell with wrestlers’ name and images on. There’s a market for nostalgia. Current roster may bring in the most money but that doesn’t mean someone isn’t gonna buy a Haku pint glass or a Hercules bandana. Yeah I know there is other stuff too but I feel like if someone goes to WWE shop loookg for a Haku pint glass and doesn’t find one, they will likely just settle on something from another old school wrestler. As much as I want to see these guys, I’m not getting my hopes up.
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Post by Ohtimate Wahriah on Jul 27, 2020 16:44:54 GMT -5
Its more than just figures. Go to WWE Shop and see everything they sell with wrestlers’ name and images on. There’s a market for nostalgia. Current roster may bring in the most money but that doesn’t mean someone isn’t gonna buy a Haku pint glass or a Hercules bandana. Yeah I know there is other stuff too but I feel like if someone goes to WWE shop loookg for a Haku pint glass and doesn’t find one, they will likely just settle on something from another old school wrestler. As much as I want to see these guys, I’m not getting my hopes up. All in all they serve the same relevance now as they did on the card...it just breaks up monotony. It’s something different and I’m sure as with all things, theirs a crowd for anything that would buy it.
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Post by ztj_wwf on Jul 27, 2020 16:59:53 GMT -5
I’ve been wondering this for awhile, but in all honestly what is in it for WWE to sign someone like Haku or Koko to a Legends deal? I know it’s not a lot of money but the fact is more people are always going to want the next Seth Rollins figure than Haku. I have always wondered the same thing What exactly does WWE get out of signing low and mid carders from the past? Yeah because they're really clogging the shelves...
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Post by stc13 on Jul 27, 2020 17:01:32 GMT -5
Yeah I know there is other stuff too but I feel like if someone goes to WWE shop loookg for a Haku pint glass and doesn’t find one, they will likely just settle on something from another old school wrestler. As much as I want to see these guys, I’m not getting my hopes up. All in all they serve the same relevance now as they did on the card...it just breaks up monotony. It’s something different and I’m sure as with all things, theirs a crowd for anything that would buy it. Legends deals pay a 10k advance, which is paid against future royalties in exchange for global marketing rights. That's everything from cards, toys, and video games to the Christmas ornaments and random nicknacks on WWE Shop. Make no mistake about it - it's a worthwhile investment just to keep their product lineup fresh for a payout that barely registers on WWE's balance sheet. But WWE is WWE, and things change on a whim. It's pretty clear their legends brands have been de-emphasized across the board. I'm expecting that there will be far fewer Legends deals signed outside of top stars moving forward, and that many of the workers who have been signed won't be renewed.
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Post by taserface on Jul 27, 2020 17:03:03 GMT -5
I have always wondered the same thing What exactly does WWE get out of signing low and mid carders from the past? Yeah because they're really clogging the shelves... I’m not referring to figures. I’d die to have some of those added to the line. I’m talking about what good does it do WWE to be signing Haku, Barbarian, Hercules, Giant Gonzalez, Dino Bravo, etc. how would they generate $ from those guys.
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Post by Yambag Jones on Jul 27, 2020 17:07:32 GMT -5
I don't think it's the same. If it was, why would they show a render instead of a figure that could be that easily made? Because it’s not as simple as just showing the new figure even with the pre-existing parts. While this one is a rehash of available parts, it will still go into production the same as all other figures. By that logic, decade of domination Cena should have been able to be shown to us immediately instead of a render. This one is the BoPPV elite body, that basic Christian head, swappable hands, and the WHC. I presume it’ll have the cloth hit the switch shirt hopefully as it’ll be the only “new” piece included. I guess this head having the trueFX night make it be considered a new part, but the sculpt has already been previously used. I'm not convinced it's not a new scan.
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Post by ztj_wwf on Jul 27, 2020 17:09:46 GMT -5
Yeah because they're really clogging the shelves... I’m not referring to figures. I’d die to have some of those added to the line. I’m talking about what good does it do WWE to be signing Haku, Barbarian, Hercules, Giant Gonzalez, Dino Bravo, etc. how would they generate $ from those guys. From the figures...and other merchandise (cards, games, t-shirts, etc.).
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Post by taserface on Jul 27, 2020 17:13:22 GMT -5
I’m not referring to figures. I’d die to have some of those added to the line. I’m talking about what good does it do WWE to be signing Haku, Barbarian, Hercules, Giant Gonzalez, Dino Bravo, etc. how would they generate $ from those guys. From the figures...and other merchandise (cards, games, t-shirts, etc.). I guess. Just seems like a lot of $ to invest in these guys when they could be shifting that cost to Mattel or 2K and Topps or whoever for games and toys and cards And thats a lot of t shirts of these guys. Great in their own right but not exactly the most popular of names Just my opinion though
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Post by stc13 on Jul 27, 2020 17:13:54 GMT -5
Yeah because they're really clogging the shelves... I’m not referring to figures. I’d die to have some of those added to the line. I’m talking about what good does it do WWE to be signing Haku, Barbarian, Hercules, Giant Gonzalez, Dino Bravo, etc. how would they generate $ from those guys. See my response above for more details. But it makes a TON of sense from a corporate perspective. There's two ways to look at it: 1) It gives you a roster of talent to include in video games, trading cards, etc. Until very recently, they did entire card sets of Legends. The card company doesn't want to only have Bret Hart, Sting, Steve Austin, etc because those guys are expensive to have them sign 4,000 cards. You also need guys like Koko or The Goon who are willing to sign for $3/card. It gives your licensees an expanded roster to work from, and sells more products. Win-win. 2) You could argue that by most recognizable talent to merch deals that include full global marketing rights, you monopolize the market. Retired workers had very few avenues to sell merch aside from setting up tables at shows, and WWE could make an extra buck. It's only very recently that the popularity of PWT has allowed legends to have a significant retail presence without having to hock merch at shows. There's a big nostalgia market, and it essentially cost WWE nothing to sign those legends. Again, any money was paid up front was paid against future royalties, or later were royalty payments where the workers got a fraction of the earnings and WWE kept the rest. The landscape has changed over the last couple of years, so we'll see what happens from here. But no question that even no-names made WWE money.
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Post by Yayo on Jul 27, 2020 17:19:23 GMT -5
Why does basic Bray have all that new tooling while the elite is made out of all those reused parts? Incredibly weird. I’ve got both pre ordered so I’ll keep my pre order of the basic and hope they fix the elite. If anything, at least I’ll get the puppets from the elite and hopefully some FFH special packaging for a backdrop
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Post by stc13 on Jul 27, 2020 17:20:31 GMT -5
From the figures...and other merchandise (cards, games, t-shirts, etc.). I guess. Just seems like a lot of $ to invest in these guys when they could be shifting that cost to Mattel or 2K and Topps or whoever for games and toys and cards And thats a lot of t shirts of these guys. Great in their own right but not exactly the most popular of names Just my opinion though It's not. Look at some of the downside guarantee numbers that were thrown around last year for talent. For what they were willing to pay Rhyno to literally just sit in catering, they could cover the up front payment for a couple dozen Legends deals. Guarantee you that the Legends would generate more revenue.
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Post by Ohtimate Wahriah on Jul 27, 2020 17:25:23 GMT -5
All in all they serve the same relevance now as they did on the card...it just breaks up monotony. It’s something different and I’m sure as with all things, theirs a crowd for anything that would buy it. Legends deals pay a 10k advance, which is paid against future royalties in exchange for global marketing rights. That's everything from cards, toys, and video games to the Christmas ornaments and random nicknacks on WWE Shop. Make no mistake about it - it's a worthwhile investment just to keep their product lineup fresh for a payout that barely registers on WWE's balance sheet. But WWE is WWE, and things change on a whim. It's pretty clear their legends brands have been de-emphasized across the board. I'm expecting that there will be far fewer Legends deals signed outside of top stars moving forward, and that many of the workers who have been signed won't be renewed. I think they want to move away from the Legends because they still outshine the current guys. It’s a weird thing but back in the Jakks days, up until Classic Superstars came out, WWE didn’t acknowledge past superstars in any merchandise. It was always established that, that was old and this is new. That happened in a lot of merchandise, I think Star Wars was the only brand that sold toys of characters that had no modern relevance. It does make money though so I hope, for my sake, classic merchandise sticks around but I do understand that staying in the past has severely hurt them attempting to move forward
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Post by stc13 on Jul 27, 2020 17:38:30 GMT -5
Legends deals pay a 10k advance, which is paid against future royalties in exchange for global marketing rights. That's everything from cards, toys, and video games to the Christmas ornaments and random nicknacks on WWE Shop. Make no mistake about it - it's a worthwhile investment just to keep their product lineup fresh for a payout that barely registers on WWE's balance sheet. But WWE is WWE, and things change on a whim. It's pretty clear their legends brands have been de-emphasized across the board. I'm expecting that there will be far fewer Legends deals signed outside of top stars moving forward, and that many of the workers who have been signed won't be renewed. I think they want to move away from the Legends because they still outshine the current guys. It’s a weird thing but back in the Jakks days, up until Classic Superstars came out, WWE didn’t acknowledge past superstars in any merchandise. It was always established that, that was old and this is new. That happened in a lot of merchandise, I think Star Wars was the only brand that sold toys of characters that had no modern relevance. It does make money though so I hope, for my sake, classic merchandise sticks around but I do understand that staying in the past has severely hurt them attempting to move forward Honestly I think it's just a simple numbers game. As recently as a few years ago, you had two main rosters and a true developmental brand where they would sell some tshirts and the top-top guys would get some other merch. It made sense to sign Legends to boost your property profile to licensees and fill out your merch catalogue. Now WWE has something like something like 200 active workers under contract. There are 60 on NXT alone, not counting all the developmental talent at the PC who hasn't made TV yet. Plus another 30 or so in NXT UK, and plans for further NXT expansion pre-COVID. Why sign outside talent, when you already have an absurd amount of in house talent who would also like to see those royalty checks come in? They're going to keep a core stable of Legends signed either because they're big money merch movers (Hogan, Austin, HBK), or are in the WWE orbit (Booker T, Lawler, Christian), or are in the right person's good graces (X-Pac, Nash, etc). But they've found a way to monetize their lower tier in house talent in ways that they couldn't even 3-4 years ago. And I think legends were the place that got cut to make room for that focus on youth.
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Post by Ohtimate Wahriah on Jul 27, 2020 17:45:57 GMT -5
I think they want to move away from the Legends because they still outshine the current guys. It’s a weird thing but back in the Jakks days, up until Classic Superstars came out, WWE didn’t acknowledge past superstars in any merchandise. It was always established that, that was old and this is new. That happened in a lot of merchandise, I think Star Wars was the only brand that sold toys of characters that had no modern relevance. It does make money though so I hope, for my sake, classic merchandise sticks around but I do understand that staying in the past has severely hurt them attempting to move forward Honestly I think it's just a simple numbers game. As recently as a few years ago, you had two main rosters and a true developmental brand where they would sell some tshirts and the top-top guys would get some other merch. It made sense to sign Legends to boost your property profile to licensees and fill out your merch catalogue. Now WWE has something like something like 200 active workers under contract. There are 60 on NXT alone, not counting all the developmental talent at the PC who hasn't made TV yet. Plus another 30 or so in NXT UK, and plans for further NXT expansion pre-COVID. Why sign outside talent, when you already have an absurd amount of in house talent who would also like to see those royalty checks come in? They're going to keep a core stable of Legends signed either because they're big money merch movers (Hogan, Austin, HBK), or are in the WWE orbit (Booker T, Lawler, Christian), or are in the right person's good graces (X-Pac, Nash, etc). But they've found a way to monetize their lower tier in house talent in ways that they couldn't even 3-4 years ago. And I think legends were the place that got cut to make room for that focus on youth. That’s very true, I never thought of it like that.
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Post by RuthlessFigs on Jul 27, 2020 18:59:10 GMT -5
Mattel: Here's Johnny. Collectors: Change his kickpads please, they're not accurate & look terrible. Mattel: Here's another Johnny. Collectors: Maybe they didn't hear us last time, please change the kickpads... they're not accurate & look terrible. Mattel: There's an issue with his kickpads? We'll look into it. Collectors: Thank You. Mattel:
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Post by RuthlessFigs on Jul 27, 2020 19:03:11 GMT -5
Anyway, at there's some good out of this line.
X-Pac looks good, except for those tights legs... But, i'll let it slide since we FINALLY have a no tongue head!
As much as i hate the fact that WMXX Christian lost, this Elite looks good, and i'll try and get it since i missed out on the first BoPPV. Plus, it has the B47 headscan, which i was planning on getting to put on my Elite 3 Christian at some point. Also, it comes with the World Title, which is great for me since i've never actually had a Mattel WHC, and every figure it's come with recently i've had no interest in. So now i have a reason to get it.
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Post by disorder on Jul 27, 2020 19:33:05 GMT -5
From the figures...and other merchandise (cards, games, t-shirts, etc.). I guess. Just seems like a lot of $ to invest in these guys when they could be shifting that cost to Mattel or 2K and Topps or whoever for games and toys and cards And thats a lot of t shirts of these guys. Great in their own right but not exactly the most popular of names Just my opinion though It also comes down to likeness and branding and what not. When a legends deal is signed, it helps both parties. Wwe can help them get bookings and the legend automatically can ask for more when doing appearances. With that, wwe build a roster of guys they can send out for promotional reasons (random signings and appearances around events) Contrary to some beliefs, wwe are really good to pst employees
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Post by FFK on Jul 27, 2020 19:46:56 GMT -5
I just realized we didn’t see any new Hogan’s from SDCC. Kind of blows my mind.
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